Ems = bm

[lndra]

And I'm not looking for any.. For the fourth time, that's not my arguement.. But it's my opinion that its very plausible from the statement made by kruama.

I already replied to your "argument" in the other thread. I don't know why we are talking here ...

 

[antwquan]

You can't even find proof that PP works with ninjutsu (outside of one path)


You think that is working on a human who is alive?

What are you talking about? I said like how Nagato use preta with dead bodies Sasuke can do with susano'o.

 

[Umari Senju]

Ok comparison though I would change/add just a few things:

Sharingan (3 tomei) Sasuke = 1 Tail Chakra Naruto

C2 Sasuke => 2 Tail Naruto

MS Sasuke < SM Naruto

EMS Sasuke = Kyubi Chakra Mode Naruto

EMS Sasuke < BM Naruto

EMS Sasuke < BSM Naruto

Rinnegan Sasuke > BM Naruto

Rinnegan Sasuke > BSM Naruto

Rinnegan Sasuke = RSM Naruto

This seems a little more legit IMHO

 

[take it easy]

Rinnegan Sasuke = RSM Naruto

With or without bijuus chakra ?

 

[antwquan]

With or without bijuus chakra ?

PS = BSM avatar. Bijuu PS = NE Ashura avatar why are you being so blind they both got a power up in that fight. Even some fanboys admit this fact

 

[take it easy]

PS = BSM avatar. Bijuu PS = NE Ashura avatar why are you being so blind they both got a power up in that fight. Even some fanboys admit this fact

I still not see any manga evidence that it's absolutely inpossible for Naruto gather so much NE without Kurama.

 

[antwquan]

I still not see any manga evidence that it's absolutely inpossible for Naruto gather so much NE without Kurama.

If it was possible why didn't he do it vs JJ Obito or JJ Madara or kaguya that's right he couldn't

 

[lndra]

If it was possible why didn't he do it vs JJ Obito or JJ Madara or kaguya that's right he couldn't

Because he never fought JJ Madara or Kaguya in his Kurama Avatar/BM

Those were all in base RSM.

RSM is probably the link to why Kurama gathered that much Senjutsu and placed it into his Avatar into the first place. I doubt a BM/SM could do that. No proof that it can't, but no proof says it can either.

 

[antwquan]

Because he never fought JJ Madara or Kaguya in his Kurama Avatar/BM

Those were all in base RSM.

RSM is probably the link to why Kurama gathered that much Senjutsu and placed it into his Avatar into the first place. I doubt a BM/SM could do that. No proof that it can't, but no proof says it can either.

No I actually mean in general NE Ashura avatar he never showed it at all till he fought Sasuke did that mean he didn't have it? No but it showed he couldn't or didn't know how to do it. Spacey is trying so hard to try and say he had it all along


BM/BSM When he gathers NE it's faster than normal as he said vs JJ Obito but still couldn't absorb more than his max

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

It'd probably take much longer if he could?

 

[V h o]

PS = BSM avatar. Bijuu PS = NE Ashura avatar why are you being so blind they both got a power up in that fight. Even some fanboys admit this fact

The avatar was created before kurama gave NE, it's just 3 bijuu avatars fused together...

 

[antwquan]

The avatar was created before kurama gave NE, it's just 3 bijuu avatars fused together...

I know that was saying with all the NE gathered with it tho. I don't really believe there is a power difference between BSM avatar and Ashura avatar besides the chunk load of NE.

 

[V h o]

I know that was saying with all the NE gathered with it tho. I don't really believe there is a power difference between BSM avatar and Ashura avatar besides the chunk load of NE.

You basically have something that has the power of 3 PSs in one.........Fusion avatar>>>>bijuu avatar

 

[antwquan]

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You basically have something that has the power of 3 PSs in one.........Fusion avatar>>>>bijuu avatar

We never saw it fight by itself without the NE it gathered only separately so we can't be sure of that
If it was a difference what would all the NE have been for?

 

[lndra]

I know that was saying with all the NE gathered with it tho. I don't really believe there is a power difference between BSM avatar and Ashura avatar besides the chunk load of NE.

Major difference. More power, and durability. Your combining three avatars into one entire being, mashing it together with a bunch of natural energy. It's arguably one of the strongest things in the entire NarutoVerse.

Naruto was keeping up with Kaguya in his RSM base form:

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He gets blasted away after at least ... 5 seconds with her? Then Sasuke comes in for the kill:

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Doesn't last a second with his Perfect Susano'o. (The only time he actually hit her was when Naruto speed blitzed her arm off, and then Sasuke fought a one armed Kaguya for a few seconds)

Naruto's 4 BM Avatars vs Bijuu Susano:

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Arguably Ashura Avatar/Bijuu Susano are the most powerful things in the Universe besides Kaguya herself. The combining of the 3 BM avatar's allowed Naruto to harness the Avatar's strength to surpass its usually limits. You see he needed two extra Avatar's just to match the Bijuu Susano'o in power, and he needed Kurama to gather the natural energy to have enough for their final attack.

- Made this post if you guys need it for your debate -

 

[V h o]

:|
Yet Bijuu PS and fusion avatar with mass NE had a stalemate. We never saw it fight by itself without the NE it gathered only separately.

NE was used solely for the attack. The defense of the avatar is equivalent to 3 bijuu avatars combined. It seems you're trying to imply the fusion avatar was made with NE, since you bring it up.

 

[antwquan]

NE was used solely for the attack. The defense of the avatar is equivalent to 3 bijuu avatars combined. It seems you're trying to imply the fusion avatar was made with NE, since you bring it up.

I edited my post I reread it.

 

[antwquan]

Major difference. More power, and durability. Your combining three avatars into one entire being, mashing it together with a bunch of natural energy. It's arguably one of the strongest things in the entire NarutoVerse.

Naruto was keeping up with Kaguya in his RSM base form:

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He gets blasted away after at least ... 5 seconds with her? Then Sasuke comes in for the kill:

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Doesn't last a second with his Perfect Susano'o. (The only time he actually hit her was when Naruto speed blitzed her arm off, and then Sasuke fought a one armed Kaguya for a few seconds)

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Clash:

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Arguably Ashura Avatar/Bijuu Susano are the most powerful things in the Universe besides Kaguya herself. The combining of the 3 BM avatar's allowed Naruto to harness the Avatar's strength to surpass its usually limits. You see he needed two extra Avatar's just to match the Bijuu Susano'o in power, and he needed Kurama to gather the natural energy to have enough for their final attack.

- Made this post if you guys need it for your debate -

Yea I know that was saying would it be nearly as strong without the NE as it was without it

 

[V h o]

I edited my post I reread it.

My other response still answer this really. NE is really irrelevant unless speaking of the 2 NE RSs, the fusion avatar can do whatever it's components could do: makes TBBs, use rasengans, and now uses RS since it has extra hands to form them. There's no feats of it using anything besides those RSs, but NE has nothing to do with forming it (I want to establish that, since some people tend to throw this around).

 

[lndra]

Yea I know that was saying would it be nearly as strong without the NE as it was without it

Not entirely.
It would be on the same level of strength as the Bijuu Susano'o. It however, would not be able to counter Indra's Arrow without the NE applied.