Minato vs Madara

[Great Master Minato]

When i remember correctly ays hair gets swirled when he goes into v2, maybe in the fight with minato he only had v1 and that was his "top speed".
I want to read a scan of the datebook where it says that Minatos shun shin is on pair with ays raiton body flicker, because i can't believe it.

Gold Lightning Said It All.

 

[Black Wolf]

1. Base Minato (FTG restricted) vs 3t Madara

Madara utterly decimates him.

Minato's usual advantage over opponents is speed, but that isn't the case here. We've seen living Madara's speed; it was fast enough to throw off Sage Mode Naruto. Minato's running speed isn't higher than Madara's, and if it is, it's only by a bit which Sharingan precognition can very easily cover for.

Other than that, Madara has the advantage everywhere else. Minato has no ranged techniques to speak of while Madara has Juubi sized Katons. Any Rasengan attempts are either dodged thanks to Sharingan precog or casually batted away with Uchiha fan. Madara also has far more stamina, so a battle of attrition will always be his.

2. KCM Minato vs EMS Madara (PS, Kurama, legged Susano'o restricted)

Minato decisively wins this.

Madara won't be reacting to FTG, and with KCM, Minato is decisively faster. Madara can camp it out in a small Susano'o (which is all he has here thanks to the restrictions), but Minato can likely teleport him out of it.

When that happens, Madara is a sitting duck for Rasengan. Tobirama came close to nailing Sage Mode Madara with FTG, and I'm certain Minato can do the same to this far inferior version of Madara.

3. Edo BM Minato vs Edo Madara

We've seen this go down in the manga pretty much when BM Naruto fought Madara; the latter didn't even use Perfect Susano'o and was already doing a good job restraining him with Mokuton Dragon. BM Minato is essentially identical to BM Naruto, just with the added benefit of FTG which will likely mean Madara will put more effort into the fight (i.e. use Mokutons while simultaneously bringing out Susano'o).

Not really sure who would win for sure, but I'll side with Madara due to Mokuton.

 

[Izanamı.]

yeah 3T madara still has the straight commas

:hmm: i thought choku tomoe came from EMS​

 

[ATD]

Ay's hair is clearly spiking up, his headband is keeping the rest down, but the back is clearly visibly frizzing all over the place. That is V2

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Thats a logical assumption, but its hard to believe that ay´s v2 power is hold down by a headband, but i think you are right.

“尾獣チャクラモードのナルトにも追いつけ、”黄色い閃光”にも劣らない神速を誇る。”
A god-like speed that also catches up with Naruto in Tailed—Beast chakra mode, and even praised to be as fast as the “Yellow Flash”.

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Sad that it's hard to believe that the once fastest ninja, doesn't have comparable body flicker to that of the "second fastest " ninja. Guess kishi is to blame for his $hitty writing.

I think the only fact why minato is called the yellow flash is because of the FTG not because of his shun shin.
So the credit here goes to ay, who's v2 is able to keep up with the "yellow flash", which means v2 gives ay almost the speed of a S/T ninjutsu.

Look at this scan.

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Back in the days when his squad fought with minato´s, Ay was about to strike minato with his top-speed even though the latter was using Ftg and had spread several markings. Thats why minato teleported to bee, the only direction ay wasn't able to speedblitz at.
Otherwise minato may would have been hit, but we don't know.

I think it is clear that minato isn't as fast as ay by only using shun shin, otherwise he hadn't needed to teleport via ftg.
To come back to topic, without ftg minato definitely looses the first scenario, his shun shin isn't enough to blitz 3T Madara, imo this should be clear, minato is good, but 3T Madara eyes are able to see through every speed and close combat skills minato has to offer.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Thats a logical assumption, but its hard to believe that ay´s v2 power is hold down by a headband, but i think you are right.



I think the only fact why minato is called the yellow flash is because of the FTG not because of his shun shin.
So the credit here goes to ay, who's v2 is able to keep up with the "yellow flash", which means v2 gives ay almost the speed of a S/T ninjutsu.

Look at this scan.

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Back in the days when his squad fought with minato´s, Ay was about to strike minato with his top-speed even though the latter was using Ftg and had spread several markings. Thats why minato teleported to bee, the only direction ay wasn't able to speedblitz at.
Otherwise minato may would have been hit, but we don't know.

I think it is clear that minato isn't as fast as ay by only using shun shin, otherwise he hadn't needed to teleport via ftg.
To come back to topic, without ftg minato definitely looses the first scenario, his shun shin isn't enough to blitz 3T Madara, imo this should be clear, minato is good, but 3T Madara eyes are able to see through every speed and close combat skills minato has to offer.

That makes no sense. Ay already admitted inferiority to minato in speed, so how can the db now be referring to FTG? No, that's wrong. V2 can not keep up with instant teleportation, it's inferior plain and simple. It says raikages lightning chakra mode and Tthe yellow flashes speed is equal. Common sense tells you at its referring to shunshin, otherwise if it's equal to FTG then minato wouldn't have been called the fastest.

No v2 doesn't give him the speed of almost instant teleportation Lol are you hearing yourself. Did you not see Minato vs Ay, and how FTG completely shat on v2. V2 speed cannot even be compared to FTG. Nor can the databook quote FTG and Lightning Chakra Mode as being equal. It's not possible and contradicts Ay's words of minato being faster, as well as Minatos databook page which praises him as the fastest. People need to get it out of their system that minato wasn't the fastest without FTG.

Minato is referred to as the yellow flash for Shunshin as well:

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- "he's not quite on the fourths level yet" (are you gonna tell me yamato was talking about FTG here as well U_U. He said not quite, meaning he was referring to shunshin. Naruto can never reach FTG level speed with just shunshin, so yamato wouldn't have made the comparison unless he knew what he was talking about.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Alternative wording:
劣らない means “not inferior/below/lower”
A god-like speed that can also keep up with Naruto in Tailed-Beast chakra mode, and even praised to be in no way inferior to the “Yellow Flash”.

 

[ATD]

That makes no sense. Ay already admitted inferiority to minato in speed, so how can the db now be referring to FTG? No, that's wrong. V2 can not keep up with instant teleportation, it's inferior plain and simple. It says raikages lightning chakra mode and Tthe yellow flashes speed is equal. Common sense tells you at its referring to shunshin, otherwise if it's equal to FTG then minato wouldn't have been called the fastest.

No v2 doesn't give him the speed of almost instant teleportation Lol are you hearing yourself. Did you not see Minato vs Ay, and how FTG completely shat on v2. V2 speed cannot even be compared to FTG. Nor can the databook quote FTG and Lightning Chakra Mode as being equal. It's not possible and contradicts Ay's words of minato being faster, as well as Minatos databook page which praises him as the fastest. People need to get it out of their system that minato wasn't the fastest without FTG.

Minato is referred to as the yellow flash for Shunshin as well:

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- "he's not quite on the fourths level yet" (are you gonna tell me yamato was talking about FTG here as well U_U. He said not quite, meaning he was referring to shunshin. Naruto can never reach FTG level speed with just shunshin, so yamato wouldn't have made the comparison unless he knew what he was talking about.

Than i don't understand why minato had to use Ftg to dodge ay´s speed, ay´s v2 lightning body flicker is definitely faster than minatos base shunshin.
Minato relied almost any time on ftg and thats why he is called the yellow flash (flash=instant), imo.
You really think base minato without ftg blitzes Madara and beats him in close combat ? you should hear yourself.

And i said that v2 gives ay almost the speed of teleportation, which isn't that wrong because he nearly got minato with his speed, in the last milli second mianto teleported away, he looked very surprised when ay rushed with his top speed towards him.
When it wasn't for ftg, ay would have destroyed Minato, thats for sure.