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KingHashirama

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So who in your opinion is more durable, powerful?

Many claim Bijuu mode is superior to the beast itself (though i have no clue how this make any sense).

But yea.

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BM Avatar shits. In appearance, durability, versatility and what not.
 

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Let's see.

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I take it back. BM Avatar sparks on actual Kurama.
 

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I believe it was stated somewhere that Perfect Jin > Bijuu. There lies your answer if that's the truth.
 

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Bad comparison.

Kurama in the first scan was in a defensive form with its tails covering the main body, precisely because it can't tank it with the main body. And even then , if the Juubi had kept its laser up for that same amount of time.. Naruto's defense would be gone, seeing that his tails got destroy by the laser.

And in the second scan, Kurama took hits straight to the face, and was still fine after that..


So simply bad comparison.. even Hachibi was able to make contact with the 10-tails bijuu dama in the defensive form... and also had partial contact with the laser in the defensive form.

I believe it was stated somewhere that Perfect Jin > Bijuu. There lies your answer if that's the truth.

no that was stated for the power increase between the Juubi's jinchuriki and the juubi itself. Not for other jinchurikis. (the juubi's jin doesn't have a BM or anything)

"bijuu mode" is the Jinchuriki turning into the beast to use its natural strengths. It makes no sense, that 50% of the actual beast would be more durable than the 100% beast itself.
 
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The bm avatar has more durability but inferior firepower.
 

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The bm avatar has more durability but inferior firepower.

Then that would be implying the 8-tails hachibi has more durability than Kurama itself.

Kurama was able to take a pounding from the mountain sized fists, even when the PS wore off.

BM Naruto tanks a laser beam in defensive form. << Because it'd be impossible to tank it straight up. And i'm sure you don't need me to remind you how strong the Tailed beast's tails are.

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BSM Avatar for obvious reasons. As a pure chakra being Naruto/Kurama's power/durability get enhanced tenfold when combined with nature energy. Example Multi-Headed RSM Kurama Avatar.
 

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BSM Avatar for obvious reasons. As a pure chakra being Naruto/Kurama's power/durability get enhanced tenfold when combined with nature energy. Example Multi-Headed RSM Kurama Avatar.

You are talking about BSM/RSM.

I'm talking about BM and the actual beast.
 

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BM Avatar for versatility. It can be upgraded with Senjutsu, cloned via Kagebunshin, and protect allies within its body. Plus its tails can turn into hands.
 

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2 is better than 1.
Jinchuriki needs the beast's strength. the Beast doesn't need the jinchuriki's strength.

If you are referring to the comment about Juubi's jin being stronger than the juubi.. yea that only appplies to the Juubi's jin. Not others.. especially seeing it came from Hachibi.

BM Avatar for versatility. It can be upgraded with Senjutsu, cloned via Kagebunshin, and protect allies within its body. Plus its tails can turn into hands.

I'm referring to the BM in the picture in the OP. not BSM.
 

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Then that would be implying the 8-tails hachibi has more durability than Kurama itself.
explain.

Kurama was able to take a pounding from the mountain sized fists, even when the PS wore off.
no hashirama pounded through ps and the moment it ripped open he used wood golem to grab it. Kurama itself isn't the recipient of the full force of hashirama's ss.

BM Naruto tanks a laser beam in defensive form. << Because it'd be impossible to tank it straight up.
that's baseless. Mitigation of losses dosen't equal impossible to tank.
And i'm sure you don't need me to remind you how strong the Tailed beast's tails are.
the tails are just as durable as the main body. So ....

Anyways I'm not in the mood to get into it with you. Im sure someone else will debate this.
 

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Narutos Bijuu Mode only ofc for obvious reasons. I'm not debating with you.

I don't think there is even a reasonable argument for a debate from your side. Its either bad comparisons, or simply mis-interpretations.

PS: I'm not talking about RSM/BSM , i'm talking about BM the one in the picture.
 

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You are talking about BSM/RSM.

I'm talking about BM and the actual beast.
I'm telling you whilst the BM can be upgraded/enhanced with senjutsu, the original body can't. Obviously BM Avatar is stronger. Also the BM Avatar can get wrecked 1000x over and it wouldn't effect actual body as its pure chakra.
 

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I don't think there is even a reasonable argument for a debate from your side. Its either bad comparisons, or simply mis-interpretations.

PS: I'm not talking about RSM/BSM , i'm talking about BM the one in the picture.

Yea sure Kh rofl.
 
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