[Discussion] Am I the only one?

[Demonic.]

Exactly, lol.

You definitely got it

 

[Lightbringer]

No it is innate per se, like the libido of animals or lions or bulls in mating season, by arguing that an increase in lust leads to unfavorable outcomes like ruining relationships and such that is appealing ad consequentiam.

It's not an ad consequentiam, it's fact; it happens all of the time, perhaps not to every individual but a lot. The fact the you're arguing that uncontrolled lust doesn't lead to ruin relationships baffles me.

You don't feel the same amount of lust every moment of your life. You feel certain amounts of lust dependent on the situation you're in.

How you process that lust, disciplined or unrestrained, is dependent on the individual.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's not an ad consequentiam, it's fact; it happens all of the time, perhaps not to every individual but a lot. The fact the you're arguing that uncontrolled lust doesn't lead to ruin relationships baffles me.

You don't feel the same amount of lust every moment of your life. You feel certain amounts of lust dependent on the situation you're in.

Because you're already making an assumption of unfavourable outcomes, what if a man's great lust is directed to frequently making love to his wife and not cheating, you can make the same argument for wealth, does it entail that if a man has great wealth and power that he will necessarily cheat on his wife?

 

[Lightbringer]

Because you're already making an assumption of unfavourable outcomes, what if a man's great lust is directed to frequently making love to his wife and not cheating, you can make the same argument for wealth, does it entail that if a man has great wealth and power that he will necessarily cheat on his wife?

And you're making the assumption that it doesn't.

Lust has a negative connotation to its meaning for a reason. Countless individuals have cheated and used women because of lustful desire.

Yes every individual feels lust to some degree, but like I said in earlier comments, preying on that lust will only increase it. That's when it becomes dangerous. Those that feel excessive lust are prone to make regretful decisions.

I can even adhere to my own personal experience as support of my argument. I've used women before, which is shameful of me to say. I slept with a girl, taking her virginity away and didn't date her afterwards. This was all because I found her hot.

But looking back at my decisions I can say that I regret them and have caused problems. The reason was because I was lustful and having porn or women exposing themselves in the media only increases that desire.

I know first-hand of the dangers in lust and same goes for the people I know in my own life. Plenty of instances where I've heard people cheat and use women all because they wanted to sleep with them.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

And you're making the assumption that it doesn't.

Lust has a negative connotation to its meaning for a reason. Countless individuals have cheated and used women because of lustful desire.

Yes every individual feels lust to some degree, but like I said in earlier comments, preying on that lust will only increase it. That's when it becomes dangerous. Those that feel excessive lust are prone to make regretful decisions.

I can even adhere to my own personal experience as support of my argument. I've used women before, which is shameful of me to say. I slept with a girl, taking her virginity away and didn't date her afterwards. This was all because I found her hot.

But looking back at my decisions I can say that I regret them and have caused problems. The reason was because I was lustful and having porn or women exposing themselves in the media only increases that desire.

I know first-hand of the dangers in lust and same goes for the people I know in my own life. Plenty of instances where I've heard people cheat and use women all because they wanted to sleep with them.

No I am arguing that it isn't conditio sine qua non, you were reasoning through ad potentia, therefore you really have no argument against lust ipso facto.

 

[Lightbringer]

No I am arguing that it isn't conditio sine qua non, you were reasoning through ad potentia, therefore you really have no argument against lust ipso facto.

I have no idea what your argument is anymore.

You went off on how evolution dictates morality and that wasn't even part of my original comment. I already said that I believe in the freedom to do what you like with your body. Whether I believe what you do is right and wrong is a personal preference.

I was merely making a point of how I find it funny that women complain about the consequences of exposing their bodies to the media when it was their decision to do so in the first place.

And the other point was about how it's sickening that trivial matters such as a girl shaking her ass on T.V. gets more attention than the problems that really matter in the world.

So I don't know why you felt the need to go off on a tangent about how everything is ok as long as it's a part of nature.

 

[Transcendence]

Nothing to see here folks. Sir Derp Obito just grasping at straws just like his failed theories. Lightbringer winning hahahahahaha.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I have no idea what you're argument is anymore.

You went off on how evolution dictates morality and that wasn't even part of my original comment. I already said that I believe in the freedom to do what you like with your body. Whether I believe what you do is right and wrong is a personal preference.

I was merely making a point of how I find it funny that women complain about the consequences of exposing their bodies to the media when it was their decision to do so in the first place.

And the other point was about how it's sickening that trivial matters such as a girl shaking her ass on T.V. gets more attention than the problems that really matter in the world.

So I don't know why you felt the need to go off on a tangent about how everything is ok as long as it's a part of nature.

I never said evolution dictates morality, for morality is a social construct, I was referring to sexual desires and its varying degrees based on evolutionary nature. You were talking about mere potentialities of the undesirable effects that can be brought forth by that, and the women themselves who are sexualized do not complain, their female fans also do not complain but idolize them, it is the others (esp. the feminists ) who complain so in that you are making an equivocation.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Problem is that the media can't sell anything without sexualizing the content. People are looking for something that pops in their eyes.

 

[Edenia]

A NB male posting his six pack male body in show us yourself thread

A NB female posting her body in show us yourself thread

compare reactions

 

[Lord Tywin]

A NB male posting his six pack male body in show us yourself thread

A NB female posting her body in show us yourself thread

compare reactions

Male: "Bruh, you gay?"
Female: "You look very beautiful."

 

[Transcendence]

Problem is that the media can't sell anything without sexualizing the content. People are looking for something that pops in their eyes.

Exactly. And while I'm against all the sexualization, you think they will stop if it continues to work? Obviously not.

A NB male posting his six pack male body in show us yourself thread

A NB female posting her body in show us yourself thread

compare reactions

Probably very similar reactions. Any girls will show subtle but obviously thirsty comments, and the guys will be all over the girls picture. There's a sense of maturity that comes with being able to control yourself at times like this.

 

[Lightbringer]

I never said evolution dictates morality, for morality is a social construct, I was referring to sexual desires and its varying degrees based on evolutionary nature. You were talking about mere potentialities of the undesirable effects that can be brought forth by that, and the women themselves who are sexualized do not complain, their female fans also do not complain but idolize them, it is the others (esp. the feminists ) who complain so in that you are making an equivocation.

No what you were saying is that evolution is null to the implications of morality. In your words you said lust was ok because it was a part of human nature.

I was the one who said that not all forms of lust are equal and that not all degrees of lust are positive.


And again, for the fourth time, that was never part of my original comment nor the subject of my intention to argue. Those weren't the points I've originally posted and it was you who felt the need to bring up how it's fine to expose yourself.

Lastly, saying that females who disagree with celebrities sexualizing and degrading themselves for fame and fortune are only feminists is stereotypical.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Exactly. And while I'm against all the sexualization, you think they will stop if it continues to work? Obviously not.


Probably very similar reactions. Any girls will show subtle but obviously thirsty comments, and the guys will be all over the girls picture. There's a sense of maturity that comes with being able to control yourself at times like this.

These days having morals is clouded by making a profit. I can't say I blame anyone though.

 

[Ldude]

To be clear, I don't any issues with the female body being shown off in the media, however my biggest issue is that it seems to be the only thing of importance for the media. Hell Kim K is mainly famous for her *** tape with Ray Jay

Another thing to think about young women actually look up to Kim Karadashian and Mily Cirus as role models and I find that disturbing to say the least.

Edit: As Wilds said, *** sells. That's the kind of world we live in.

I don't look up to Kim because she made a *** tape or Miley because she was exposed in Wrecking Ball. I look up to Kim because she is a confident woman who makes her own success. She was born into a family with a well-known name and she built herself up from there. Kim worked hard to popularize her clothing and makeup lines, and last year she released a successful game. I look up to Miley for being able to express herself in the way she chooses. I have absolute respect for women who portray themselves the way they want to be portrayed. I find it bullshit that sculptors and painters could draw the female body naked and have it called art, but women can't express their own bodies without being called whores or narcissistic *****es. I'd rather have women being "sluts" than being ashamed of their own bodies.

 

[Transcendence]

These days having morals is clouded by making a profit. I can't say I blame anyone though.

Society and people as a whole are driven to make their own lives better. To a degree it's about one's own selfish nature. So any way one person can make a profit, they do it. And in this case we're talking about, it's exploiting things.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

No what you were saying is that evolution is null to the implications of morality. In your words you said lust was ok because it was a part of human nature.

I was the one who said that not all forms of lust are equal and that not all degrees of lust are positive.


And again, for the fourth time, that was never part of my original comment nor the subject of my intention to argue. Those weren't the points I've originally posted and it was you who felt the need to bring up how it's fine to expose yourself.

But you're talking about social implications of negative consequences which is not singular but multifactorial, lust per se does not make a lecher or a rapist, it can also be caused by childhood trauma, rape, psychiatric conditions, difficulties in the marital setting,etc. you cannot say that lust per se is causative of these things.

 

[Lightbringer]

But you're talking about social implications of negative consequences which is not singular but multifactorial, lust per se does not make a lecher or a rapist, it can also be caused by childhood trauma, rape, psychiatric conditions, difficulties in the marital setting,etc. you cannot say that lust per se is causative of these things.

Dude I'm not gonna argue this with you anymore. It's seriously making me lose respect for you.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Dude I'm not gonna argue this with you anymore. It's seriously making me lose respect for you.

Very well, shall we be in agreement at least that lust is merely potentially contributive to interpersonal or romantic disintegration but not necessarily directly causative of it due to the multifaceted nature of social and psychological dynamics?

 

[Edenia]

Exactly. And while I'm against all the sexualization, you think they will stop if it continues to work? Obviously not.


Probably very similar reactions. Any girls will show subtle but obviously thirsty comments, and the guys will be all over the girls picture. There's a sense of maturity that comes with being able to control yourself at times like this.

Still women exposing their body is not seen in the same way as a men exposing their bodies. They will more likely be stereotyped and judged based on exposing themselves. They are free to do what they want just like guys but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to complain about exploiting the female body in the media even if they expose themselves. For some it's their work, being models. They can still complain about it or some don't see a problem in that. It's how society has evolved and how advertisement found a way to attract their target audience and sell the product based on pre conceived ideas of what an ideal female body and beauty is.

Anyway, sexualization will always sell because it remakes the world in the shape of our own fantasies and desires. I went to the movies to watch Whiplash and 50 shades of Gray had a huge queue of people eager to enter and watch the movie. Some of them were even wearing a suit on a sunday....