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[lndra]

Convenience is irrelevant. I actually don't disagree, I think Naruto wins handily against Rinnegan Sasuke with Bijuu while rested (it's at least suggested that Naruto could counter the arrow without needing Kurama's Senjutsu if he were). Access has nothing do with my point, just that while Sasuke did take from the Bijuu, he did, however, utilize it in a way that was purely his own and therefore I consider it as much a part of his power as is NE for Naruto.

I agree, however it was never implied whether it was large amounts of chakra, or large amounts of Bijuu chakra alone. Considering that Kurama told Naruto that he was separating the mixed chakras into one, to almost link them together into a Gedo Manzou statue-Susano'o, we take that under consideration that Sasuke needed the Bijuu's chakra/power to evolve his Susano'o to that level. That is why I don't personally point out that it was his power. Was it his feat? Of course.

Same goes for Naruto though. It was never shown that Naruto could not absorb his own Natural energy to form Ashura Avatar. Nor, how much RSM Naruto could gather by himself without Kurama. It was just the fact that Kurama had to because the situation got out of hand with Sasuke's Susano'o evolving to their equalized power.

 

[Amaterasu]

Genjutsu doesn't work on Perfect Jin's. Unless he can take Kurama out of his body, then he can cast that glance crap. I mean a half kurama was struggling to almost stop it.

And. No one really knows how CT was formed. People call it coreless but there was no real explanation, I doubt it will be a problem for Naruto though:

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I think Sasuke can make way better CT's than pain, he glance'd the Bijuus with much ease... Rinnegan Mastered Sasuke... he can do something

 

[antwquan]

RSM Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke

Full Kurama > Rinnegan Mastered Sasuke

Who wants to debate?

No one manga and Kishimoto portrayed them as equals.

Genjutsu doesn't work on Perfect Jin's. Unless he can take Kurama out of his body, then he can cast that glance crap. I mean a half kurama was struggling to almost stop it.

And. No one really knows how CT was formed. People call it coreless but there was no real explanation, I doubt it will be a problem for Naruto though:

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Genjutsu does work on a perfect jin be it only 5 seconds or not.

 

[Narutohokage324]

No one manga and Kishimoto portrayed them as equals.
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Not to sound like a douchebag or anything, but Kishimoto portrayed them as equals, yes. However, he implied that one had a chance to raise the power level over the max.

Genjutsu does work on a perfect jin be it only 5 seconds or not.

Five seconds? Killer Bee broke out of a genjutsu in less than that. Plus we aren't talking about a Jinchuriki, we are talking about a Psuedo-Juubi Jin who hosts every single Tailed Beasts inside of him.

I think Sasuke can make way better CT's than pain, he glance'd the Bijuus with much ease... Rinnegan Mastered Sasuke... he can do something

Yes but the Sharingan has feats of being able to control Bijuu on the level of Kurama with ease. You honestly think a Rinnegan + Sharingan mutation showing the feats of putting all the Bijuu under his control, an overpowered ability? I doubt it works on Jinchuriki(On Naruto's level of course), if so then Kishimoto would if casted Genjutsu on Naruto with Madara/Kaguya/Sasuke who all have Rinnegan's.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

I agree, however it was never implied whether it was large amounts of chakra, or large amounts of Bijuu chakra alone. Considering that Kurama told Naruto that he was separating the mixed chakras into one, to almost link them together into a Gedo Manzou statue-Susano'o, we take that under consideration that Sasuke needed the Bijuu's chakra/power to evolve his Susano'o to that level. That is why I don't personally point out that it was his power. Was it his feat? Of course.

I always took the chakra nature as a hint that Sasuke had merely converted it into his own type, and therefore being the same result of what would happen if Sasuke had enough chakra himself. Like the Susano'o Chidori on a completely separate level. That's also how I took the name Indra's Arrow, it's not titled Bijuu Susanoo arrow or anything of that sort, rather it's tied to his transmigrant. That's just my speculation, anyway, I could be wrong.

 

[antwquan]

RSM Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke

Full Kurama > Rinnegan Mastered Sasuke

Who wants to debate?

Not to sound like a douchebag or anything, but Kishimoto portrayed them as equals when Sasuke took Bijuu chakra in lol.


Five seconds? Killer Bee broke out of a genjutsu in less than that. Plus we aren't talking about a Jinchuriki, we are talking about a Psuedo-Juubi Jin who hosts every single Tailed Beasts inside of him.




Yes but the Sharingan has feats of being able to control Bijuu on the level of Kurama with ease. You honestly think a Rinnegan + Sharingan mutation showing the feats of putting all the Bijuu under his control, an overpowered ability? I doubt it works on Jinchuriki, if so then Kishimoto would if casted Genjutsu on Naruto with Madara/Kaguya/Sasuke who all of Rinnegan's.

Actually he didn't he showed PS and kurama stalemate showed base Sasuke and Naruto stalemate and Bijuu PS and mass senjutsu ashura avatar stalemate that's being equals.

And still all the Bijuu have to figure out he's in a Genjutsu to break him free from it. No one is immune to Genjutsu just have high resistance against it.

 

[Amaterasu]

Yes but the Sharingan has feats of being able to control Bijuu on the level of Kurama with ease. You honestly think a Rinnegan + Sharingan mutation showing the feats of putting all the Bijuu under his control, an overpowered ability? I doubt it works on Jinchuriki(On Naruto's level of course), if so then Kishimoto would if casted Genjutsu on Naruto with Madara/Kaguya/Sasuke who all have Rinnegan's.

Yep but it's not only the CT that he will masters the Shinra Tensei, Bansho tenin and Preta path, Animal Path, Naraka Path etc.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Actually he didn't he showed PS and kurama stalemate showed base Sasuke and Naruto stalemate and Bijuu PS and mass senjutsu ashura avatar stalemate that's being equals.

And still all the Bijuu have to figure out he's in a Genjutsu to break him free from it. No one is immune to Genjutsu just have high resistance against it.

You mean PS Susano'o and Kurama avatar?

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Agreed on the second part. I bet if Sasuke put a Genjutsu on Naruto, and considering how long it takes a Jinchuriki to escape. It would prove to be on the same level of distraction as what Sasuke did to Naruto using a Katon; Great Fireball Jutsu

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[Rikodou Mode]

Sharingan Sasuke = MS Itachi
MS Sasuke = SM Naruto
EMS Sasuke = SM Naruto = BM Naruto
CS/Bijuu EMS Sasuke = BSM Naruto

Rinnegan Sasuke = RSM Naruto

 

[Narutohokage324]

Yep but it's not only the CT that he will masters the Shinra Tensei, Bansho tenin and Preta path, Animal Path, Naraka Path etc.

I don't really thing those are prone for difficulty considering Naruto has been fighting Rinnegna abilities since the Pain arc

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] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [

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] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
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] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [

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] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
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There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB,

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Asura Path has in store. [

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] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [

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] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [

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(RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities.

 

[Amaterasu]

Sharingan Sasuke = MS Itachi
MS Sasuke = SM Naruto
EMS Sasuke = SM Naruto = BM Naruto
CS/Bijuu EMS Sasuke = BSM Naruto

Rinnegan Sasuke = RSM Naruto

@Bold What ?

 

[antwquan]

You mean PS Susano'o and Kurama avatar?

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Agreed on the second part. I bet if Sasuke put a Genjutsu on Naruto, and considering how long it takes a Jinchuriki to escape. It would prove to be on the same level of distraction as what Sasuke did to Naruto using a Katon; Great Fireball Jutsu

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And then using his S/T

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Yea the 1st scan showed them stalemate more times than not.

And the 2nd part it's hard to say but it could do to his chakra control and the Bijuu he have. But don't great control = stronger Genjutsu?

 

[Amaterasu]

I don't really thing those are prone for difficulty considering Naruto has been fighting Rinnegna abilities since the Pain arc

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] This is proven by the fact that Sasuke was the first to charge in with PS. Yet Naruto in almost an instant

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.[

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][

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] This also does not take into account that Naruto wasn't even flying between those clashes until the TBB vs Chidori clash.[

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] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [

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] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
Frog Kata is viable to counter Preta Path. [

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][

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] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [

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] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
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There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB,

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Asura Path has in store. [

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][

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] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [

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][

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] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [

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] Then there is also the fact that the Bijuus have to be put under genjutsu before their sealing. Even if Naruto were completely trap in a meteor, he can

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, use his

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(RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities.

So I delete my account now or later ?

 

[Awkward Linguist]

You mean PS Susano'o and Kurama avatar?

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Agreed on the second part. I bet if Sasuke put a Genjutsu on Naruto, and considering how long it takes a Jinchuriki to escape. It would prove to be on the same level of distraction as what Sasuke did to Naruto using a Katon; Great Fireball Jutsu

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And then using his S/T

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First of all perfect jins are immune to genjutsu. Genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of the opponent's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses

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. It's impossible for sasuke to control naruto's huge chakra pool alongside kurama's. That's why it has never been tried before - waste of time. Naruto doesn't need to worry about any genjutsu and his superior unmatched senjutsu will keep up with sasuke's Ame. His reflexes enhanced by senjutsu is on a whole new level being able to dodge madara's supposedly lightning fang -which travels at the speed of light- at point blank range. One more thing is that the whole Naruto's avatar and Sasuke's PS stalemate thing is nonsense. Naruto could have easily manifested a huge TBB and demolished Sasuke right their and then. Not to mention that he can summon clones within his avatar to create super sized rasenshurikens or tailed beast ball rasenshuriken. All in all Sasuke hasn't got anything that will trouble Naruto.

 

[antwquan]

First of all perfect jins are immune to genjutsu. Genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of the opponent's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses

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. It's impossible for sasuke to control naruto's huge chakra pool alongside kurama's. That's why it has never been tried before - waste of time. Naruto doesn't need to worry about any genjutsu and his superior unmatched senjutsu will keep up with sasuke's Ame. His reflexes enhanced by genjutsu is on a whole new level being able to dodge madara's supposedly lightning fang -which travels at the speed of light- at point blank range. One more thing is that the whole Naruto's avatar and Sasuke's PS stalemate thing is nonsense. Naruto could have easily manifested a huge TBB and demolished Sasuke right their and then. Not to mention that he can summon clones within his avatar to create super sized rasenshurikens or tailed beast ball rasenshuriken. All in all Sasuke hasn't got anything that will trouble Naruto.

And Sasuke couldn't do something either? making a huge TBB at point blank range is stupid Naruto would hurt himself in the process. Naruto can't make shadow clones with one arm he used the other to block Sasuke's attack. When he try to use shadow clones his avatar make the same handsigns.

 

[Xlad]

Prove it. That's only against someone not equipped with handling sage chakra.. Sasuke had the CS..

Yello. [

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[DHOH]

Yello. [

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by Kabuto. It is nothing like Sage Mode.

Never claim he was, don't know why that statement was made. Dosen't change the fact he can handle Senjutsu.

 

[Xlad]

Never claim he was, don't know why that statement was made. Dosen't change the fact he can handle Senjutsu.

Just like the lackeys who had Cursed Seal, right? And the stones in

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Cursed Seal is medium used to passively collect natural energy and convert chakra into Senjutsu. Handling involves actual balancing of natural, spiritual, and physical energy together.

 

[Dantee]

Just like the lackeys who had Cursed Seal, right? And the stones in

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Cursed Seal is medium used to passively collect natural energy and convert chakra into Senjutsu. Handling involves actual balancing of natural, spiritual, and physical energy together.

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This scan implies Sasuke can handle Senjutsu and apply it to his Susanoo. Curse seal was based off Juggos ability to constantly gather senjutsu against his will. This shows Sasukes Susanoo can handle a large amount of nature energy in his Susanoo. However he cannot place it in his own body because that requires training.

 

[lndra]

so i delete my account now or later ?

xd never!