Ems = bm

[Awkward Linguist]

I do not know what's so hard to understand.

Simply put, RSM Naruto > Any version of Sasuke.

Naruto himself said he wasn't trying to kill him whereas sasuke was. Yet he still beat him.

 

[take it easy]

Nah, that was about ideology. This has nothing to do with arrogance.

Sasuke never lost a physical battle to his rival, that's all.

Sasuke said "I lost" not "I lost the ideological battle"

 

[KidGamer65]

Base Naruto > Base Sasuke
Base Naruto < 3T Sasuke
SM Naruto (Pain) = MS Sasuke
KCM Naruto = EMS Sasuke (Kabuto fight)
BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke
BSM Naruto >> EMS Sasuke
Rikudou Naruto > Rikudou Sasuke
Rikudou Naruto with planet's nature energy = Sasuke with Bijuu's chakra


That's how i view it.

How are BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke equal when you have Rikudo Naruto and Rikudo Sasuke w/o any Bijuu/Nature Energy not listed as equals?

 

[DHOH]

I don't even know what you are implying. No one is left debating because they were proven wrong. Majority says RSM Naruto obliterates, and the majority is right.

Show me one person saying Sasuke beats RSM Naruto who isn't a troll or an obessed Sasuke fan?

Yeah, see you.

Once again you miss the point.. If it was fact everyone would believe what you believe, but it's not.. Shoving your opinions down people throats isn't helping.

 

[PalazzoKefka]

Naruto fans, I'm sorry. But your fav will never have a solid victory over their rival, as in VOTE 1.

Sasuke said "I lost" not "I lost the ideological battle"

Interpretation, you know?

 

[lndra]

Once again you miss the point.. If it was fact everyone would believe what you believe, but it's not.. Shoving your opinions down people throats isn't helping.

Your missing the point. It doesn't matter what they believe at all, because they don't make up the majority. Everyone and their Grandma knows Naruto beats Sasuke, I mean the only people who won't accept it are trolls and hard core Sasuke fan's.

Listen, as much as it would be belentiful to debate against every Sasuke fan to show them why they are wrong. If you have nothing to debate against here, then by all means you can leave. I can take your opinion seriously, but the truth of the matter is: Naruto wins, without a doubt. If you don't believe that at all, debate against it. Then I will prove you wrong. You don't wish to believe it? I don't care. The manga already has my claims.

 

[KidGamer65]

Once again you miss the point.. If it was fact everyone would believe what you believe, but it's not.. Shoving your opinions down people throats isn't helping.

Lol I suggest we learn the real definition of a fact. Everyone not believing it only means they are ignoring fact because it wasn't spelled out for them in letters. Sad that Kishi has to spoonfeed fans facts in this manga (even though he pretty much already did spoon feed this one) If Naruto tied with Sasuke+, he'd beat Sasuke- It's just that simple.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Lol I suggest we learn the real definition of a fact. Everyone not believing it only means they are ignoring fact because it wasn't spelled out for them in letters. If Naruto tied with Sasuke+, he'd beat Sasuke-

Exactly :leaf:

The only people who deny it are trolls U_U

 

[DHOH]

Lol I suggest we learn the real definition of a fact. Everyone not believing it only means they are ignoring fact because it wasn't spelled out for them in letters. If Naruto tied with Sasuke+, he'd beat Sasuke-

Lol that's funny..

2+2=4 is a fact and can proven.. A fight where two people have completely different strengths and counters can not be proving as fact.. That is all.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Lol that's funny..

2+2=4 is a fact and can proven.. A fight where two people have completely different strengths and counters can not be proving as fact.. That is all.

I'll spell it out easy for you

RM Naruto - One tier below Rinnegan Sasuke
Rinnegan Sasuke - One tier above RM Naruto
RSM Naruto - One tier above Rinnegan Sasuke, two tiers above RM Naruto.

 

[DHOH]

Your missing the point. It doesn't matter what they believe at all, because they don't make up the majority. Everyone and their Grandma knows Naruto beats Sasuke, I mean the only people who won't accept it are trolls and hard core Sasuke fan's.

Listen, as much as it would be belentiful to debate against every Sasuke fan to show them why they are wrong. If you have nothing to debate against here, then by all means you can leave. I can take your opinion seriously, but the truth of the matter is: Naruto wins, without a doubt. If you don't believe that at all, debate against it. Then I will prove you wrong. You don't wish to believe it? I don't care. The manga already has my claims.

Lol. Majority believe Obama wouldn't be president but he is.. Majority means nothing lol..

I've debate and hold my ground.. Sasuke can counter everything Naruto has..

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol that's funny..

2+2=4 is a fact and can proven.. A fight where two people have completely different strengths and counters can not be proving as fact.. That is all.

Once again. Learn what a fact is and learn how to determine a fact. You'd have a point if this fight didn't already occur in the Manga, but guess what.........

It. Did. Sasuke needed extra power to force Naruto to use his full power, thus Sasuke is weaker. Thus he loses w/o said extra power. That's a fact. What you are saying is tantamount to saying that:

-Hashirama>Madara isn't fact.

-VoTe 1 Sasuke>VoTe 2 isn't fact.

-Pain>Sage Mode Naruto isn't fact.

-Naruto and Sasuke post Rikudo boost>One Eyed Madara isn't fact.

I can go on for days.

I've debate and hold my ground.. Sasuke can counter everything Naruto has..

Except.....whatever points you made are probably flawed as hell. It's pretty funny. You cry on about people's facts being nothing but opinions, but you say that Sasuke beats Naruto based on what?

Oh wait, your opinion.

 

[DHOH]

I'll spell it out easy for you

RM Naruto - One tier below Rinnegan Sasuke
Rinnegan Sasuke - One tier above RM Naruto
RSM Naruto - One tier above Rinnegan Sasuke, two tiers above RM Naruto.

What part of that you don't understand is nothing but opinion???

 

[DHOH]

Once again. Learn what a fact is and learn how to determine a fact. You'd have a point if this fight didn't already occur in the Manga, but guess what.........

It. Did. Sasuke needed extra power to force Naruto to use his full power, thus Sasuke is weaker. Thus he loses w/o said extra power. That's a fact. What you are saying is tantamount to saying that:

-Hashirama>Madara isn't fact.

-VoTe 1 Sasuke>VoTe 2 isn't fact.

-Pain>Sage Mode Naruto isn't fact.

-Naruto and Sasuke post Rikudo boost>One Eyed Madara isn't fact.

I can go on for days.




Except.....whatever points you made are probably flawed as hell.

You are wrong. Sasuke used the Rinnengan, a power that is his to gain more power... That's like saying naruto used natural energy to gain more power.. Lol I'm done.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I personally think Naruto is stronger, but hey, at least Sasuke isn't a shit character.

 

[Great Master Minato]

I Believe Kurama BM > PS > Any Other Bijuu BM. (Obviously Juubi Is Excluded)

 

[KidGamer65]

You are wrong. Sasuke used the Rinnengan, a power that is his to gain more power... That's like saying naruto used natural energy to gain more power.. Lol I'm done.

Lol if only this shit made sense. Nature Energy is the power Naruto took in, on his own. Sasuke needs Rinnegan and the Bijuu, something that isn't available to him at all times, unlike Naruto and the Nature Energy.

Then there's the fact that the point of this discussion is to prove that Naruto>Sasuke w/o Bijuu, so by replying to something that isn't even the main point of the post, you've pretty much admitted that Naruto>Sasuke w/o Bijuu is a fact.

 

[DHOH]

Lol if only this shit made sense. Nature Energy is the power Naruto took in, on his own. Sasuke needs Rinnegan and the Bijuu, something that isn't available to him at all times, unlike Naruto and the Nature Energy.

Then there's the fact that the point of this discussion is to prove that Naruto>Sasuke w/o Bijuu, so by replying to something that isn't even the main point of the post, you've pretty much admitted that Naruto>Sasuke w/o Bijuu is a fact.

I admit Naruto is stronger at VOTE2 only because Sasuke can use 3-4 rinnengan jutsu out if like 10..
Full Mastery Rinnegan Sasuke is Naruto's equal in every sense of the word.. Naruto has never enter a battle with a rinnengan user and didn't have his chakra absorb, why should I believe different in a fantasy battle??

It was pretty much proven, if Naruto has chakra Sasuke has it to..

I have no idea what the topic was about I'm just going with the flow.. Ask any questions and I'll answer it.

 

[PalazzoKefka]

I personally think Naruto is stronger, but hey, at least Sasuke isn't a shit character.

The bold is so true. Yeah, that's what matters most, indeed.

Also, the ability to absorb the bijuu chakra is a power of the Rinnegan. Just saying.

 

[Narutohokage324]

What part of that you don't understand is nothing but opinion???

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