Sabo is stronger than Jozu. Hakuba is too high. Kuma is too high. Gladius was beating Cavendish so putting Cavendish above him is idiotic. Ace is too high.Fixed it up a bit U_U
Sabo is stronger than Jozu. Hakuba is too high. Kuma is too high. Gladius was beating Cavendish so putting Cavendish above him is idiotic. Ace is too high.Fixed it up a bit U_U
Jozu is stronger than Sabo. At least he fought evenly with an admiral taking him seriously. Gladius only pressured Cavendish with a prep move. Cavendish never got the chance to engage him seriously. And since Bartolomeo defeated him, the logic dictates that someone who had similar portrayal, someone who could physically match Chinjao(who gave trouble to Luffy), someone was a supernova 2years before him should at least be able to accomplish this much. I'm not going to bother with the Hakuba matter. I rated Ace fine. Oda never even once said Luffy surpassed Ace and i think that when it will happen, Oda will leave a hint, probably after defeating Doflamingo either by hinting it with his bounty or something like thisSabo is stronger than Jozu. Hakuba is too high. Kuma is too high. Gladius was beating Cavendish so putting Cavendish above him is idiotic. Ace is too high.
I'm at school right now, so I'll be back later with scans to disprove your Cavendish wank.Jozu is stronger than Sabo. At least he fought evenly with an admiral taking him seriously. Gladius only pressured Cavendish with a prep move. Cavendish never got the chance to engage him seriously. And since Bartolomeo defeated him, the logic dictates that someone who had similar portrayal, someone who could physically match Chinjao(who gave trouble to Luffy), someone was a supernova 2years before him should at least be able to accomplish this much. I'm not going to bother with the Hakuba matter. I rated Ace fine. Oda never even once said Luffy surpassed Ace and i think that when it will happen, Oda will leave a hint, probably after defeating Doflamingo either by hinting it with his bounty or something like this
Sabo is stronger than Jozu. Hakuba is too high. Kuma is too high. Gladius was beating Cavendish so putting Cavendish above him is idiotic. Ace is too high.
This thread is actually an experiment. I posted this same thread on Oro Jackson and wanted to compare the debating skills of the members on here to there. On Oro jackson, members are humble and actually discussed everything in detail from Rayliegh, to Croc to Mihawk etc.. On here, 90% of people is like "No. This>That guy" and "such fanboyism/stop wanking the character."The more "top X" lists I see the less I like them, I don't think anyone in OPV should be no. 1 and I don't think Luffy will be THE no. 1 at the end, if I had to categorize them it would go something like this
Tier 1: Roger, Garp, Whitebeard, Sengoku, Dragon, Shanks, Akainu and BB prime
Tier 1.5 (very close to 1): Kuzan, Kizaru, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Fujitora, Ryokugyu, Kaido, Big Mom (anyone here could give anyone above a run for their money)
Tier 2: Marco, Ben Backman, Sabo, BMs and Kaidos first mate probably, mahbe Kuma
Why not just stay there then? It would save us both the trouble.This thread is actually an experiment. I posted this same thread on Oro Jackson and wanted to compare the debating skills of the members on here to there. On Oro jackson, members are humble and actually discussed everything in detail from Rayliegh, to Croc to Mihawk etc.. On here, 90% of people is like "No. This>That guy" and "such fanboyism/stop wanking the character."
Anyways in my list, the top 16 are top tiers. Each beats the other exteme/high dif. Marco to Hancock are high tiers. Each can hold their won against an admiral, but they ain't hurting or beating one.
I like Oro Jackson a lot more but I do like strength discussion topics(if people can actually debate). It happens a lot more here. I like hearing people's(good) opinions.Why not just stay there then? It would save us both the trouble.
Then he's also the captain then. Besides, Luffy told Usopp he'd become captain should something happen to him, so Usopp is closer to being vice-captain than Zoro has ever been.They already knew that Luffy is the captain and they just made that conclusion because Luffy easily feel for their trap.Besides,the people of OP barely knew anything about the crew until they beat Croc. Zoro isn't considered to be VA by the crew but you can't deny the fact that almost everyone in OP world considers him to be one.
If Mihawk and Rayleigh belongs to T2 then so are Shanks, Sengoku and Akainu.
Joker beats him though.
Information makes the difference. If I have more and better info on something than you do, then I can come up with a rumour which is close to reality so it would be a better rumour than your's.
Not really, the fact that he's considered to be the captain at least proves that he has higher level position in the crew. It's always Luffy/ Zoro rumoured to be the cap/Vica- cap not someone else in the crew. Did anyone mistaken Usopp for vice captain? or Did anyone mistaken Sanji for being captain or Vice captain? that says something. Lol It isn't the characters in OP. It's Oda that has been making those statements via his characters. Why do you think he's been bothering with making suck statements on more than one occasion?
IMO he portrayed Luffy to be someone that wouldn't rank his man so he can't make Luffy to announce Zoro as the VA which is why he's indirectly telling us that he's the vice-cap via his characters. Even portrayal suggests that he's the VA. He joined the crew the almost same way Rayleigh did. Apart from official announcement from the captain he has everything that he needed to get that title.
This thread is actually an experiment. I posted this same thread on Oro Jackson and wanted to compare the debating skills of the members on here to there. On Oro jackson, members are humble and actually discussed everything in detail from Rayliegh, to Croc to Mihawk etc.. On here, 90% of people is like "No. This>That guy" and "such fanboyism/stop wanking the character."
Anyways in my list, the top 16 are top tiers. Each beats the other exteme/high dif. Marco to Hancock are high tiers. Each can hold their won against an admiral, but they ain't hurting or beating one.
It seems like for some reason you don't want to be the VA of the crew. Lol We already know that he is not their captain and can never be their cap as long as Luffy is there.Then he's also the captain then. Besides, Luffy told Usopp he'd become captain should something happen to him, so Usopp is closer to being vice-captain than Zoro has ever been.
@Boggy: Cavendish would have died if Barto didn't protect him from Gladius' attack, so Gladius>Cavendish.
Yup, Tobi would have died against Konan if not Izanagi. Konan > TobiThen he's also the captain then. Besides, Luffy told Usopp he'd become captain should something happen to him, so Usopp is closer to being vice-captain than Zoro has ever been.
@Boggy: Cavendish would have died if Barto didn't protect him from Gladius' attack, so Gladius>Cavendish.
I honestly forgot about Gladius. Time to edit.Then he's also the captain then. Besides, Luffy told Usopp he'd become captain should something happen to him, so Usopp is closer to being vice-captain than Zoro has ever been.
@Boggy: Cavendish would have died if Barto didn't protect him from Gladius' attack, so Gladius>Cavendish.
Not really, people over there are only good for posting long ass arguments just to support a point that was clearly proven wrong by manga. I remember people over there saying that that Akainu is stronger than Shanks and post arguments to support that point.Lol
It seems like for some reason you don't want to be the VA of the crew. Lol We already know that he is not their captain and can never be their cap as long as Luffy is there.
@Usoop argument: I don't remember that part , It was most likely for comic purpose even if he said something like that. As I said before Zoro has everything to get that title where as Usopp doesn't.
Shitty comparison. Konan had a lot of prep time.Yup, Tobi would have died against Konan if not Izanagi. Konan > Tobi
Liked your original post for putting Gladius above Cavendish.I honestly forgot about Gladius. Time to edit.
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Where would you put the 7th Shichibukai?1-Gold D. Roger
2-Edward Newgate
3-Monkey D. Garp
4-Shiki
5-Shanks
6-Monkey D. Dragon
7-Akainu Sakazuki
8-Big Mam
9-Kaidou
10-Aokiji Kuzan
11-Marsahll D. Teach
12-Sengoku(marineford)
13-Dracule Mihawk
14-Fujitora Issho
15-Kizaru Borsalino
16-Silvers Rayliegh(top tiers end here)
17-Marco
18-Sabo
19-Donquixote Doflamingo
20-Jozu
21-Monkey D. Luffy
22-Jinbe
23-Portgas D. Ace
24-Trafalgar Law
25-Boa Hancock
26-Emperio Ivankov
27-Bartholomew Kuma
28-Eustass Kidd
29-Don Chinjao
30-Enel
31-Magellan
32-Shiliew
33-Jesus Burgess
34-X. Drake
35-Basil Hawkins
36-Scratchman Apoo
37-Roronoa Zoro
38-Sanji
39-Vergo
40-Smoker
41-Crocodile
42-Caesar Clown
43-Pica
44-Trebol
45-Gekko Moriah
46-Kyros
47-Bartolomeo
48-Diamante
49-Gladius
50-Cavendish
Honorable Mentions/Disqualifications:
Prime Rayleigh-exact strength is unknown but I'd estimate #10 is good
Prime Sengoku-exact strength is unknown but I'd estimate #7 is good
Kong-nothing is known about his strength but I guess #6 is ok
Green Bull-a complete mystery but I'd give him #16
Benn Beckmann-no feats but I'd estimate #18 is good
Sentomaru-not enough feats and a bit bias so I'd say #24
Not the point. The point was to say that in the situation where Cavendish was(surrounded by bombs everywhere), everyone without a barrier(defensive mean) or ability to fly would have been hit by his attack whether fodder or top tier. So it's completely stupid to use it in a power scalingShitty comparison. Konan had a lot of prep time.
It's his fault for letting Gladius use it while they were fighting each other. Everyone who is at Diamanté level or higher can either stop Gladius before he uses Punc Rock Fest or survive it, and Cavendish clearly isn't strong enough to do either of those.Not the point. The point was to say that in the situation where Cavendish was(surrounded by bombs everywhere), everyone without a barrier(defensive mean) or ability to fly would have been hit by his attack whether fodder or top tier. So it's completely stupid to use it in a power scaling
He didn't even know what Gladius was doing the entire time. It caught him off-guard when it was already too late. It had nothing to do with power-level but lack of knowledge/insightIt's his fault for letting Gladius use it while they were fighting each other. Everyone who is at Diamanté level or higher can either stop Gladius before he uses Punc Rock Fest or survive it, and Cavendish clearly isn't strong enough to do either of those.