SM Hashirama vs EMS Sasuke

[Izanamı.]

Restriction: ShinSenju

Condition: Sasuke gets a 3x boost from Naruto



Who would win?​

 

[KidGamer65]

If Base Hashirama can beat Sasuke, then SM Hashirama would beat 3x boost Sasuke, since I'm 99% sure that Sage Mode grants a similar boost.

-In CQC, his Susanoo still loses. Mokujin is physically comparable to 100% Kurama w/o a Senjutsu boost. Sasuke's Susanoo is comparable to Half Kurama w/o a boost. Give them both a similar boost and the gap remains the same. He only has one blade, so Mokujin can restrain it with one arm, and use the other arm to smack it around.

-Hobi tanked a Bijuu Dama w/o a Senjutsu boost. With one it still tanks Sasuke's blade.

-Depending on the size of Sasuke's Susanoo pre Hagoromo boost. Myojinmon can be used to pin it.

Attrition causes Susanoo to drop to a level where Mokujin can step on it and crush it along with it's user like a bug.

 

[Izanamı.]

-In CQC, his Susanoo still loses. Mokujin is physically comparable to 100% Kurama w/o a Senjutsu boost. Sasuke's Susanoo is comparable to Half Kurama w/o a boost.

do you think that 100% Kurama alone is physically superior to Kurama avatar?​

 

[KidGamer65]

do you think that 100% Kurama alone is physically superior to Kurama avatar?​

Yup. Can't see why it wouldn't be.

 

[Izanamı.]

Yup. Can't see why it wouldn't be.

well Kurama avatar is host + bijuu instead of Kurama alone and Gyuuki did say that jinchuriki are able to focus more of biju's power​

 

[KidGamer65]

well Kurama avatar is host + bijuu instead of Kurama alone and Gyuuki did say that jinchuriki are able to focus more of biju's power​

That was probably just for the Juubi. Gyuki and BM Killer B have shown no noticeable difference in physical power, same goes with Obito's Edo Jinchuuriki and their respective Bijuu. So logically the same should apply to Kurama. BM is just releasing/transforming into said Bijuu.

You can argue that it meant the power of their Bijuu Dama.....but Kurama has shown supercharged Bijuu Dama bigger than what Naruto himself has shown (Naruto vs. Kurama) and he's shown Continuous Bijuu Dama (Full Kurama at VoTE against Hashirama).

BM Naruto is probably overall better since it's Naruto and Kurama's reserves, because Naruto himself is the pilot, and because the Avatar is chakra and not flesh, but I can't see any reason why the physical stats should change.

 

[Izanamı.]

That was probably just for the Juubi. Gyuki and BM Killer B have shown no noticeable difference in physical power, same goes with Obito's Edo Jinchuuriki and their respective Bijuu. So logically the same should apply to Kurama. BM is just releasing/transforming into said Bijuu.

yeah that makes sense but there aren't really much feats of them alone so we can compare when they were alone and with hosts​

You can argue that it meant the power of their Bijuu Dama.....but Kurama has shown supercharged Bijuu Dama bigger than what Naruto himself has shown (Naruto vs. Kurama) and he's shown Continuous Bijuu Dama (Full Kurama at VoTE against Hashirama).

BM Naruto is probably overall better since it's Naruto and Kurama's reserves, because Naruto himself is the pilot, and because the Avatar is chakra and not flesh, but I can't see any reason why the physical stats should change.

do you think 100% Kurama alone would be able to smack JJ Obito's chakra arm like BM Minato

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?​

 

[KidGamer65]

yeah that makes sense but there aren't really much feats of them alone so we can compare when they were alone and with hosts​

We have the Bijuu vs. Madara, and the Bijuu (Jins) vs. BM Naruto and B.

do you think 100% Kurama alone would be able to smack JJ Obito's chakra arm like BM Minato

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?​

It'd do it with ease.

 

[maniaoqan]

Hashirama shouldn't be on 1vs1 matchups. Its not fair to the other party.

 

[lndra]

Yup. Can't see why it wouldn't be.

Would a Full Kurama RSM Avatar match 1 PS swing with 1 tail? Since two tails equaled 1 PS swing in it's half form?

 

[KingHashirama]

So where is the proof it'll grant Sasuke 3x boost? fan-fiction =/= reality.

But even with that boost.. where is the proof PS's attack would change?

 

[Izanamı.]

We have the Bijuu vs. Madara, and the Bijuu (Jins) vs. BM Naruto and B.


It'd do it with ease.

:erm: totally forgot about that fight.

you're probably right about the Gyuuki's statement only applying to Jubi. Kurama said Jubi has no feelings or ideals and also it has shown no ability to speak. Biju's have actually shown to be smart despite Deidara saying the opposite (Kurama formulating plans against Jubi)

so yeah Jubi probably can't focus its power because it lacks intelligence​

 

[KidGamer65]

Would a Full Kurama RSM Avatar match 1 PS swing with 1 tail? Since two tails equaled 1 PS swing in it's half form?

It only needed 1 tail in half form.

:erm: totally forgot about that fight.

you're probably right about the Gyuuki's statement only applying to Jubi. Kurama said Jubi has no feelings or ideals and also it has shown no ability to speak. Biju's have actually shown to be smart despite Deidara saying the opposite (Kurama formulating plans against Jubi)

so yeah Jubi probably can't focus its power because it lacks intelligence​

Yup, something along the lines of that I presume.

 

[Izanamı.]

So where is the proof it'll grant Sasuke 3x boost? fan-fiction =/= reality.

But even with that boost.. where is the proof PS's attack would change?

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[KingHashirama]

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Mhmmm Kakashi's Kamui..

Kurama's chakra > Kakashi's chakra

Any Senju/Uzumaki's chakra > Kakashi's chakra

Why can Madara do better with the rinnegan than Nagato? Because Madara has better chakra than Nagato (he unlocked Rikudou's chakra hence gaining the Rinnegan).

The boost only occurs because Naruto's quality of chakra is superior to those there. Is it superior to Sasuke? no.... Its quite dumb to assume that Kurama's chakra just automatically enhances everyone's abilities by x3. Maybe it'll Enhance Sasuke's by a small amount.. but times 3? Rofl.. no. Otherwise they would've just gave Sasuke Naruto's chakra along with the senjutsu chakra he got from Juugo.

 

[Izanamı.]

Mhmmm Kakashi's Kamui..

Kurama's chakra > Kakashi's chakra

Any Senju/Uzumaki's chakra > Kakashi's chakra

Why can Madara do better with the rinnegan than Nagato? Because Madara has better chakra than Nagato.

The boost only occurs because Naruto's quality of chakra is superior to those there. Is it superior to Sasuke? no.... Its quite dumb to assume that Kurama's chakra just automatically enhances everyone's abilities by x3.

no it boosts everyone's abilities to 3x. Shikaku devised the plan to stop Jubi based on what Kakashi told him.
Sasuke got a 3x boost to his v3 Susano'o.everyone in the alliance got a 3x boost. unless you have proof uchihas magically nullify boosting effects stop replying to me​

 

[KingHashirama]

no it boosts everyone's abilities to 3x. Shikaku devised the plan to stop Jubi based on what Kakashi told him.
Sasuke got a 3x boost to his v3 Susano'o.everyone in the alliance got a 3x boost. unless you have proof uchihas magically nullify boosting effects stop replying to me​

Shikaku devised the plan knowing it'll boost people's abilities.. he wasn't relying on exact 3x. He knew everybody there had inferior chakra to Naruto's... for god's sake.. its kurama.

Not Kakashi got a boost of more than 3 times to his kamui. It wasn't shown if he got it for his chidori and etc also.

Unless you have solid proof of Kurama enhancing people's abilities by exactly 3 times , stop spreading bullshit that has no base in the manga. This is as pathetic as the fan-fic "natural strength" of Tsunade.

Your entire argument is based on mis-interpretation, so the scan and the wording used by Kakashi. Neither you have solid proof it'd increase the power of those who match Naruto's chakra in power.

 

[Unorthodox]

kidgamer in his shit logic with physical prowess

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[KidGamer65]

kidgamer in his shit logic with physical prowess

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov8mAjlDhd8[/video]

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[ARGUS]

Hashirama wins this

--Myojinmon pins down sasukes PS with the easiest of diffiiculties, and if sasuke attempts to lose his structure, then either he himself gets pinned, or he gets massacred by mokujin

--PS blade is held, and susanoo gets physically overwhelmed, and then we have the above happening again, or both structures combat each other with hashirama outlasting sasuke within a matter of minutes,

--outside of PS sasuke has no chance whatsoever