Base Hashirama vs EMS Sasuke

[lndra]

Sasuke rapes him

Edit: nvm didnt realize mokujin wasn't a SM technique. Sasuke still wins though, PS outmuscles mokujin and amaterasu would be effective against mokuton (if Sasuke can use Amaterasu with PS, and i think he can with EMS.)

EMS Maadara > EMS Sasuke

Common sense right?

Any version of Hashirama > EMS Madara > EMS Sasuke

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[Haizaki]

Not even close once amaterasu hits its GG since his main body does not move out with the clones.

Not sure why you're even replying to me in the first place especially with this nonsense when I've told you to stay in your lane with your childish attitude.

As usual you embarrass yourself yet again. You expect me to counter this? Seriously though? Dude stop. They come out of his body

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So the underlined is pure rubbish Master clown.

If something is on your body and clones are moving out of your body, what happens? They'll push it off since they'll be coming from the inside.

Not even close also whats your proof Madara ps is stronger? His ribcage is not stronger v1 v2 and all of thee above is not stronger yet somehow his perfect susanoo would be nope does not work like that anyways. Mokujin stalemating Perfect susanoo not even close the most dangerous thing about perfect susanoo is its shockwaves witch it could not use because not only were they face to face mokujin was gabbing its arm to prevent it from using shockwaves Sasuke susanoo witch has insane mobility especially when keeping up with the bijuu dama once it gets distance shockwaves turn mokujin to dust or sasukes uses

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rapid fire susanoo arrow tears apart the wood dragon witch is not even a factor amaterasu burns it down Kirin to the face of mokujin kills hashirama enton Magatama's with ps also chidori varients just to much this is an absolute slaughter.

@bold Perhaps common sense and Manga portrayal? Not to mention that's a funny question when you yourself don't have proof to back up the fact that Sasuke's PS is stronger while the Manga has shown Madara's feats.

@Underline *Facepalm* Manga shows it stalemating PS till Juubito brings out its Bijuudamas, Unorthodox trying to come up with ridiculous reasons why otherwise would have happened.

Madara creates it upon swinging which he outright did here with Mokujin in his front

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What's with this talk about Mokujin holding its hand? How is that relevant? I've shown Madara swinging and shockwave or whatever didn't do jack to Mojukin and if it could hold Madara's arm preventing a swing, Sasuke's PS is dealt with easier. Plus I already showed Hashirama being able to intercept a PS blade swing without Mokujin like I already showed in my first post, he does the same to Sasuke.

Since when could Sasuke's PS use an arrow? It doesn't since the orb is no longer in use and it's the Orb which creates the arrow. Either way, it doesn't have Susanoo arrow.

Since when did Sasuke use Enton blade while using PS? Get proof that he can mix 2 abilities at full power.


Kirin to the face? While in Susanoo? Because he gets murdered if he comes out of Susanoo against Mokujin. Your jokes aren't funny...Plus the fact Hashi pulled out Rashomon to defend himself against a TBB which is faster than Magatama.

Mokruyu gets snapped like a cheap neckless it was like a garden snake wrapped around kurama perfect susanoo is far bigger sasuke could easily jump back then send a shockwaves to destroy it.

Not when it's on Mokujin since Hashi can react to Sasuke's sword swings and Mokujin can evade his swings. Shockwaves argument again despite Mokujin being on his body against Madara like I showed in my post? Laughable when I countered this.

This literally made no sense Perfect was his full power with rinnegan yet he was able to use all of these combos same with his stronger varients of susanoo besides enton orb comes with susanoo as he cannot use it without ps 1 shots this.

Yeah and what made sense is the nonsense you've been posting? A laughing stock as your own disciples acknowledge that(Shoutout to Amaterasu)

Madara said PS is his full power despite having the Rinnegan out.

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and when did he use combos with his Rinnegan techniques? Post a scan.

Once again, he doesn't use the orb when PS comes out...I'd love to see a scan of that. This being said, he doesn't use Enton or Amaterasu or even the arrow while using PS. Not to mention PS is his full power so he's not using that and Amaterasu at the same time and it's not a factor since Mokruyu can absorb is off Mokujin as it circles round the statue.

 

[KidGamer65]

This goes out to all who think Hashirama loses.

1. Mokujin=Madara's PS>Sasuke's PS.

-Mokujin was stalemating a stronger Susanoo, so it'd physically manhandle Sasuke's. Sasuke's Susanoo only has one blade, so once Mokujin catches that, Sasuke can't do shit but get abused. Will his PS take damage? Probably not. Does it matter? Nope. Cause once he can't hold it anymore, he gets squashed with zero difficulty.

-Sasuke's PS and Naruto's Avatar are equals after the Rikudo boost. Take away the equal boost, and you have "Sasuke's PS=Kurama Avatar". Add Senjutsu to that and we have "Sage PS=Sage Kurama Avatar". Sasuke's Susanoo that he used against Juubito showed to be equal in durability to Naruto's Sage Kurama Avatar. [

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] Just how his PS would be on it's own w/o any boosts. Thus, in physical attributes. Sasuke's PS=Yin Yang KCC Senjutsu Complete Susanoo=Sage Kurama Avatar in durability, physical strength, and speed. The only thing that might differ is attack power for Sasuke's PS, since the sword itself gets better and all, but that's not really relevant. Either way, it's still inferior to Madara's by feats, as it's best feat is cutting a Shinju root. Though the

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was Mountain+ in size and Sasuke casually cut through it.

-Mokujin was stated to have physical power on par with Kyuubi at VoTe. Sasuke's PS has physical power comparable to BM Naruto, who has physical power comparable to Half Kurama. Meaning Mokujin's physical power>>Sasuke's Susanoo's physical power. That coupled with the speed to react to his attacks and the ability to block them, Sasuke has no chance here.

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Mokujin no jutsu (literally wood human)
Ninjutsu,kekke-genkai,no range,defensive,offensive.
Users:Hashirama Senju/Zetsu.
Descending God,that makes everyone get crushed by their karma(repent for their sins)!

God of shinobi Hashirama Senju was very good at ninjutsu. By given chakra to make wood (wood release) grow faster,to take shape into very big/gigantic mokujin. The giant excels in defense and offense,and has strong physical attacks.During the battle with Madara it was on par with 9-tails. Mokujin head also can be a protective shelter for Hashirama, turning itself into defense of unrivaled sturdiness.
Picture: Hashirama used this jutsu to catch and return back bijudama with just one hand. Jutsu only achieved because of Hashirama s naturally (literally chakra reserves in gene cells) large chakra.

So,ok.Clearly this jutsu is a ninjutsu,that uses chakra to maintain its form/shape,so any jutsu that affects chakra (Preta path,Shinra-tensei,Gudoudama etc.) will destroy it effortlessly. On the other hand it got nice hype (on par with 9-tails physical power etc.). Also I was surprised that Zetsu can use it.Though he has Hashirama s chakra,so why not?

Then there's the possibility that the associated Mokuryu can absorb chakra from Su

2. Sasuke's other techs.

-Amaterasu is useless. Failed to burn Zetsu clones. It's not doing anything significant to Mokujin or Mokuryu.

-Chidori variants and Yasaka Magatama through PS is fanfic when it comes to EMS Sasuke. Not tryna hear it from anyone. (unorthodox)

-Genjutsu is useless.

-Kirin is useless since Hobi tanks it with zero damage.

-Everything not mentioned is useless for obvious reasons.


3. Without Mokujin.

Even if Mokujin was somehow restricted or too weak to do battle with Sasuke's Susanoo, Hashirama still has the moveset to block all Sasuke's attacks and stall him till his Susanoo drops.

-Hotei caught Madara's blade. Does the same to Sasuke, but easier.

-Hobi tanked Bijuu Dama. Bijuu Dama>Sasuke's PS Slash. Hobi tanks Sasuke's PS slash.

-Hotei was about to restrain Full Kurama before it was raped by PS. It catches Sasuke's blades and physically manhandles his Susanoo.

Once Susanoo drops, Sasuke dies a terrible death. Hashirama clowns the kid.

 

[Beans2]

This goes out to all who think Hashirama loses.

1. Mokujin=Madara's PS>Sasuke's PS.

-Mokujin was stalemating a stronger Susanoo, so it'd physically manhandle Sasuke's. Sasuke's Susanoo only has one blade, so once Mokujin catches that, Sasuke can't do shit but get abused. Will his PS take damage? Probably not. Does it matter? Nope. Cause once he can't hold it anymore, he gets squashed with zero difficulty.

-Sasuke's PS and Naruto's Avatar are equals after the Rikudo boost. Take away the equal boost, and you have "Sasuke's PS=Kurama Avatar". Add Senjutsu to that and we have "Sage PS=Sage Kurama Avatar". Sasuke's Susanoo that he used against Juubito showed to be equal in durability to Naruto's Sage Kurama Avatar. [

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] Just how his PS would be on it's own w/o any boosts. Thus, in physical attributes. Sasuke's PS=Yin Yang KCC Senjutsu Complete Susanoo=Sage Kurama Avatar in durability, physical strength, and speed. The only thing that might differ is attack power for Sasuke's PS, since the sword itself gets better and all, but that's not really relevant. Either way, it's still inferior to Madara's by feats, as it's best feat is cutting a Shinju root. Though the

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was Mountain+ in size and Sasuke casually cut through it.

-Mokujin was stated to have physical power on par with Kyuubi at VoTe. Sasuke's PS has physical power comparable to BM Naruto, who has physical power comparable to Half Kurama. Meaning Mokujin's physical power>>Sasuke's Susanoo's physical power. That coupled with the speed to react to his attacks and the ability to block them, Sasuke has no chance here.



Then there's the possibility that the associated Mokuryu can absorb chakra from Su

2. Sasuke's other techs.

-Amaterasu is useless. Failed to burn Zetsu clones. It's not doing anything significant to Mokujin or Mokuryu.

-Chidori variants and Yasaka Magatama through PS is fanfic when it comes to EMS Sasuke. Not tryna hear it from anyone. (unorthodox)

-Genjutsu is useless.

-Kirin is useless since Hobi tanks it with zero damage.

-Everything not mentioned is useless for obvious reasons.


3. Without Mokujin.

Even if Mokujin was somehow restricted or too weak to do battle with Sasuke's Susanoo, Hashirama still has the moveset to block all Sasuke's attacks and stall him till his Susanoo drops.

-Hotei caught Madara's blade. Does the same to Sasuke, but easier.

-Hobi tanked Bijuu Dama. Bijuu Dama>Sasuke's PS Slash. Hobi tanks Sasuke's PS slash.

-Hotei was about to restrain Full Kurama before it was raped by PS. It catches Sasuke's blades and physically manhandles his Susanoo.

Once Susanoo drops, Sasuke dies a terrible death. Hashirama clowns the kid.

So do I delete my account now or later.

 

[KidGamer65]

So do I delete my account now or later.

Lol, I'll spare you....this time.

 

[KingHashirama]

A filler in the anime has already answered this question:

[video=youtube;Lb8tuThRlww]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8tuThRlww[/video]

 

[Izanamı.]

wasn't the Mokujin Hashirama was using against Madara's PS a SM Mokujin?​

 

[KingHashirama]

In edo tensei where he couldn't bring out all his prowess.. yes.

 

[King Of Pop]

you should have given sasuke some little boosts to compete, not only would hashirama beat him, he would beat him easily. sasuke here is weaker than Ems madara who hashirama was handling before ps and kurama combination and thats were hashirama entered sm.

 

[BlacLord™]

Hashi mid-diff.

Amaterasu and Susano'o will keep him on his toes until Sasuke runs out of chakra.

 

[Kamui Sama]

even Yamato can deal with amaterasu lol

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama was using a SM boosted Mokujin to match madaras PS,
but then theres the fact that Madaras PS > Sasukes PS, but is sasukes PS that much weaker than madaras to say that the SM boost is not needed? I dont really think so,

however the fact that mokujin can hold the PS blade and then use its other arm to attack susanoo and hotei to restrain it, helps him alot,

neither of them are taking out their respective constructs, and when it comes to attrition, hashirama clearly has the upper hand,

amaterasu is useless in front of mokuton constructs, and even if it hits hashirama, he can spout mokuton out of his body to get rid of the flames, genjutsu is not happening from a starting distance this large, and its unlikely when hashirama has been fighting an uchiha like madara throughout his life,

so yeah i would say hashirama wins mid/high diff

 

[madvictory]

Hashirama wins med-diff. Wood Dragon takes care of Sasuke's Susano'o (he does not canonically have a PS and never created one by himself until he got the Rinnegan).

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama was using a SM boosted Mokujin to match madaras PS,
but then theres the fact that Madaras PS > Sasukes PS, but is sasukes PS that much weaker than madaras to say that the SM boost is not needed? I dont really think so,

however the fact that mokujin can hold the PS blade and then use its other arm to attack susanoo and hotei to restrain it, helps him alot,

neither of them are taking out their respective constructs, and when it comes to attrition, hashirama clearly has the upper hand,

amaterasu is useless in front of mokuton constructs, and even if it hits hashirama, he can spout mokuton out of his body to get rid of the flames, genjutsu is not happening from a starting distance this large, and its unlikely when hashirama has been fighting an uchiha like madara throughout his life,

so yeah i would say hashirama wins mid/high diff

1 issue, he was using the SM Mokujin, while he had wood clones out helping out alliance members fight the juubi clones. And when he couldn't bring out all of his power.

 

[Unorthodox]

Omg so lucky im on a phone lel funny how people really think mokujin can tank a ps slash when it destroys multiple mountains from insane distances isnt this the same mokujin that was turned to dust by a small base bijuu dama. Wait till i get a computer

 

[Ken Masters]

hashirama negs

 

[RustledJimmies]

I agree with everything in your post, except this.

-Mokujin was stalemating a stronger Susanoo, so it'd physically manhandle Sasuke's. Sasuke's Susanoo only has one blade, so once Mokujin catches that, Sasuke can't do shit but get abused. Will his PS take damage? Probably not. Does it matter? Nope. Cause once he can't hold it anymore, he gets squashed with zero difficulty.

SM Mokujin, and couldn't he avoid the bold by flying with his PS (assuming the databook was correct)?

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with everything in your post, except this.



SM Mokujin, and couldn't he avoid the bold by flying with his PS (assuming the databook was correct)?

Either DB doesn't discriminate between both Mokujin, or PS and Mokujin are both leagues above Full Kurama in physical strength. Either way, not really important here.

If he flys, he can't take out Mokujin or Hashirama.

 

[adeshina365]

I've debated this with Kidgamer65 previously and we came to the conclusion that Hashirama wins with mid-high difficulty.

 

[Unorthodox]

Not sure why you're even replying to me in the first place especially with this nonsense when I've told you to stay in your lane with your childish attitude.

I have no attitude im just going to say it how it is you dont like then sdfu and dont respond

As usual you embarrass yourself yet again. You expect me to counter this? Seriously though? Dude stop. They come out of his body

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So the underlined is pure rubbish Master clown.

you countered nothing the clones clear out his back amaterasu sparks his face chest area of covers the hole front of his body

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wood clones aint helping shit there.

@bold Perhaps common sense and Manga portrayal? Not to mention that's a funny question when you yourself don't have proof to back up the fact that Sasuke's PS is stronger while the Manga has shown Madara's feats.

How is it common sense? i already explained why no perfect susanoo would be greater than another Madara's ribcage or other susanoo stages has not shown to be above Sasuke's so why would perfect susanoo be greater? also you keep telling to to provide proof whats your proof? Trying to use the feat argument is irrelevant we can both go their i can say Naruto's BM avatar is greater than Minato's because it has shown better feats dispite them both being kurama or Madara's only has limbo and not hagoromo because he never showed it face it your only resorting to the feat argument because my logic holds more water then your's try again.

@Underline *Facepalm* Manga shows it stalemating PS till Juubito brings out its Bijuudamas, Unorthodox trying to come up with ridiculous reasons why otherwise would have happened.

was not stalemating anything perfect susanoo clearly was not using its full power or being nerf because we got fodder who are like

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meaning Madara's susanoo never even got a clean shockwave out we've seen the power of it when its gets a clean

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the by standers would have been annihilated. You can deny logic if you want to with this it stalemated PS BS but Perfect has better offensive feats witch can destroy Multiply mountains and much better defense feats surviving a full attack from SS while being in the Aoe of 15 bijuu damas going off there is no way Mokujin stops a ps simple as that.

Madara creates it upon swinging which he outright did here with Mokujin in his front

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What's with this talk about Mokujin holding its hand? How is that relevant? I've shown Madara swinging and shockwave or whatever didn't do jack to Mojukin and if it could hold Madara's arm preventing a swing, Sasuke's PS is dealt with easier. Plus I already showed Hashirama being able to intercept a PS blade swing without Mokujin like I already showed in my first post, he does the same to Sasuke.

Clearly a shockwaves was not set off there as i said those by standers would have been cleared and if you think Perfect susanoo shockwaves cannot take down mokujin when it destroyed Mountains far larger than itself and Mokujin plus exploded a meteor upon contact please sigh out not happening. Mokujin is never holding Sasuke perfect susanoo arm he has shown great mobility He gets his distance is bombs Mokujin with shockwaves witch turns it to dust we already seen him cut a giant god tree branch with a susanoo weaker than Perfect susanoo now lets put two in two together weaker susanoo cuts stronger and bigger branch (God tree) Yet stronger susanoo cannot cut a smaller weaker wood element (Mokujin) just does not add up and to further shit on your argument This is base Mokujin that was SM Mokujin we already seen base Mokujin in the past it is the size of half US susanoo. Yea Hashirama is good a evading a sword slash when its not aimed at it and he's ground level but when he's on mokujin face he gets plastered.

Since when could Sasuke's PS use an arrow? It doesn't since the orb is no longer in use and it's the Orb which creates the arrow. Either way, it doesn't have Susanoo arrow.
Since when did Sasuke use Enton blade while using PS? Get proof that he can mix 2 abilities at full power.

Ill drop these arguments because honestly there not needed however can still use chidori varients with his susanoo.

Kirin to the face? While in Susanoo? Because he gets murdered if he comes out of Susanoo against Mokujin. Your jokes aren't funny...Plus the fact Hashi pulled out Rashomon to defend himself against a TBB which is faster than Magatama.

He does not need to come out to use Kirin he does while remaining in susanoo. Susanoo users are shown to use jutsu in hand signs while in susanoo

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thats a fire style meaning he used hand signs so he does kirin comfortable while he's inside susanoo witch comes down to fast for Hashirama.

Not when it's on Mokujin since Hashi can react to Sasuke's sword swings and Mokujin can evade his swings. Shockwaves argument again despite Mokujin being on his body against Madara like I showed in my post? Laughable when I countered this.

Moujin is to big to evade shockwaves plus its lack of mobility kills it here. Also you do know shockwaves are much deadly when they have time to travel right Madara being face to face with Hashirama prevented his shockwaves Like iv been saying Sasuke gets his distance in slays this weak creator.

Yeah and what made sense is the nonsense you've been posting? A laughing stock as your own disciples acknowledge that(Shoutout to Amaterasu)

Disciples what i only have about 3 or 4 real disciples the rest are on the bandwagon (Amaterasu) shoutouts to the real disciples yall know who yall are ICE,JIM,BEANS,Phyco maid, and if i forgot your irrelevant.

Madara said PS is his full power despite having the Rinnegan out.

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and when did he use combos with his Rinnegan techniques? Post a scan.

What how does this even help your case? Perfect is edo Madara's full power nothing in his arsenal could compete with it and dont compare the two Madara has never shown to use combos like Sasuke so this hole post goes straight down the drain.

Once again, he doesn't use the orb when PS comes out...I'd love to see a scan of that. This being said, he doesn't use Enton or Amaterasu or even the arrow while using PS. Not to mention PS is his full power so he's not using that and Amaterasu at the same time and it's not a factor since Mokruyu can absorb is off Mokujin as it circles round the statue.

Slap yourself if you think wood dragon can absorb amaterasu its no preta path its gets burnt down and why could he not use amaterasu it comes straight from his eye. Also if he cannot use his enton combos he has his Ration combos witch matched a Bijuu dama Mokujin gets blasted not only are you giving Mokujin all of SM Mokujin feats you just could not deliver in this matchup. PS Shockwaves does Hashirama in along with varients with his ration just to much to overcome.

Madara's PS>Sasuke's PS.

untill the bold can be proved im lmao at your shit logic