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How exactly does a forehead poke and a sorry fix this? I think that's the question

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To be honest it was the most broken thing about chapter 700.....he had to end up with somebody....mind as well have been her
 

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I need to show you something.

Let it be known my disdain for Sasusaku is not solely because I think Sasuke is toxic **** to Sakura for majority of the manga. He is, he most certainly is, and I could go on about that forever. However, Sakura is not an innocent victim in this pairing. She also has a full handbag of flaws and unhealthy attitudes that effectively invalidate these two, as they are portrayed in canon, doing anything romantic.

For one, her obsession has no real emotional foundation. She likes Sasuke, same as every girl in her class, for the same reason as every girl in her class. An understandable shallowness for a 12 year old girl, but it’s never explained what else about Sasuke specifically makes her so desperate and wistful. Even as the series progresses and the two admittedly become closer as teammates, we’re never given an interpersonal dimension about their compatibility or chemistry. Nothing about who Sasuke is actually draws her in, and he’s essentially a trophy for her. If she gets Sasuke she wins; she beats Ino and the rest of her class at their shared goal. She has a bonifide certificate of her worth to combat the teasing she faced as a child and thus transmutes Sasuke the person into her goal. In the end, Sakura just wants him really badly so she gets him. This evident lack in emotional reasoning and ethics makes it unbearably difficult to empathize with Sakura’s grand romantic gestures or her unfailing passion for Sasuke in general. I’m not saying her overall concern for him was feigned, but I am saying her romantic obsession was selfish and seldom proven to be something that improved her relationship with Sasuke. In fact, we see Sasuke ignore and dismiss her even in part 1, which is supposedly the grand sequence for this “love” story, because her obsession cripples her. He calls her out on being ineffective and annoying while he positively responds to Naruto and Kakashi for being strong, capable, and relatable. Sakura is so hellbent on making Sasuke hers, instead of building an actual friendship, that she never accurately picks up on the kind of person he is and the fact that she’s constantly distracted from becoming a stronger shinobi turns him way off. He still cares about her as a comrade, but makes it clear he has no interest in her fleeting desires.

Then there’s the fact that Sakura herself can be emotionally manipulative, and she exhibits this with Sasuke more than anyone else. Whenever Sasuke leaves for his own personal reasons, i.e. Sasuke retrieval and chapter 692/3, she makes no effort to try to understand his motivations and gives him ultimatums, remnant of “me or your goals”. Thats emotional terrorism and is incredibly abusive. Sakura knows nothing about Sasuke’s pain from having the village he grew up in systematically murder his entire family and pinning it on his brother, whom he loved more than anything. Sakura doesn’t even know who Itatchi is, or how he was a loving, affectionate brother to Sasuke til the very end, or the mind boggling sacrifices he made so that Sasuke could live as happily as possible(which by the way is why the forehead poke is pure shit). The only people who know the truth about the Uchiha clan are Kakashi, Naruto, and Yamamoto, and apparently the village hasn’t been made aware if they still blame Sasuke for wanting to leave/revolution. Naruto, by comparison, felt true empathy for Sasuke, and wanted nothing but for the both of their feelings to be mutually understood. Naruto was constantly concerned about how Sasuke felt as a whole person, trying to figure out why he was so hurt and what he could do to alleviate that hurt. Sakura, conversely, just wanted Sasuke as an ideal, and this is best illustrated with her assassination attempt. She takes “responsibility” and agency for Sasuke’s state of affairs and decides its on her to kill him, like Ol Yeller. She never inquired about Sasuke’s motivations, pains, or attempted to understand him and considers Sasuke a burden. Naruto refused to kill Sasuke, because any justice he served without understanding Sasuke would just be another nugget of revenge in the world’s bleak history. Naruto refused to kill Sasuke because no matter what path Sasuke took, Naruto cared for him and wanted his happiness, whatever source it manifested. Naruto still stood headfast to protect his village and the world, and still wanted Sasuke back as a companion, but it was never a question that Naruto was willing to put his life on the line for Sasuke’s redemption, and Naruto was certain Sasuke could be redeemed because the connection they formed was genuine.

It isn’t just Sasuke who she disregards and diminishes. Sakura’s requirement to sate her own elementary, selfish validation by ”getting” Sasuke also invades the sanctity of her other bonds. As destructive and sexist as getting the prettiest boy as the band-aid for Sakura’s self esteem objectively is, this notion persists to the very ****ing end, as Sasuke peacefully disembarks on a Mecca of his own, and we see her buckle into a puddle of doubt and despair the second he does anything that doesn’t involve her. This propensity to be a constant part of Sasuke’s life where she isn’t needed or wanted also urges that she dismiss all of her other relationships, including Ino, her best friend, whose father had just died. No desire, or even internal conflict, to stay with her mourning comrades arises. In part one, she readily abandons her friends, family and village for a boy she’s been on a team with for less than a year. It’s only in Sasuke’s absence that she begins to challenge how much she prioritizes him over others, only to hastily regress once she no longer has to worry about his outwardly terrorist activities.

Sakura’s romantic love for Sasuke is formed on a petty foundation, is wholey conditional, and has no definitive, positive function for how she interacts with Sasuke. She could very much still be concerned for his safety and his darkness overcoming him as she was without her obsession, see: her entire relationship with Naruto in part 2. Her intentions dehumanize Sasuke and romanticize callousness, addiction, and selfishness. Combine that with Sasuke’s history of being a neglectful, cruel, condescending person who feels he’s above concerning himself with how his words and actions affect people, especially Sakura, and you come to the infallible conclusion that these two are bad for EACH OTHER. Their character arcs would greatly benefit from them being as platonic as possible, because nothing about these two being intimate makes either of them better people or even that happy. In fact, more often than not, they bring out the absolute worst in each other.

If you read this till the end then you deserve a medal.

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How exactly does a forehead poke and a sorry fix this? I think that's the question
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Similar to how Obito became the coolest guy and a mind screwing child murdering maniac was hailed as the True Hokage
 

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Similar to how Obito became the coolest guy and a mind screwing child murdering maniac was hailed as the True Hokage

Naruto is an idiot though. Sasuke is of genius level intellect, and Sasuke never lies
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Nothing says I love you more then this:

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Sasuke did things 10 times worse with Naruto even considering him his bert friend.
 

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I thought It was quite obvious. Kishimoto had plans for NaruSaku but he changed it because according to kishimoto Hinata had reciprocated the feelings -which Sakura only begun to show Naruto half way through the manga- in part one, so she was the "deserving" one. What's left is SasuSaku. After all If she idolized him from part one till the end it would make sense if they got together, with NaruSaku out of the equation ofc.​
What fanfic is this? Lol

Kishi himself admitted he used NS as a way to make people keep reading until the end. It was a red herring. XD
 

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How exactly does a forehead poke and a sorry fix this? I think that's the question

Get ready for a story today kids.


[/SPOILER]

You didn't need to post this every time.
I already got it

Why are you using a Sasuke's Avatar?You don't understand nothing about him.
Traumatized as a child, Sasuke had difficulties letting anyone get close to him for fear that they would deter him from his goal of avenging his clan.

This manga is about bonds, forgiveness, friendships. In this manga ninjas tried to kill each other and then forgive each other.


The Murder attempts is simply Kishimoto wanting to show Sasuke at his lowest point and the result of all the traumas and problems sasuke had in his life until then.

Sakura understands that darkness had taken over Sasuke because his bad past and it was not his true self.
At that time, Sasuke was totally out of his own. The real Sasuke would never act like that and Kishimoto reinforces this idea when Sakura didn’t recognize him and Sakura saying he is completely different from the old Sasuke.
Not to mention Sakura wasn’t a defenseless victim. She put herself in risk when she tried to kill Sasuke.

She kept believing in will Sasuke come back and be rescuing.



Kishi decided to skip their development because he thought his fans could see what he was hinting at. Themes of forgiveness, redemption, and atonement.


Sasuke is a person for whom family bonds mean everything. Aside from his brief bout with murderous madness in Kage Summit when he was in his lowest point. Sasuke has never been violent. He wouldn't even kill opponents during Orochimaru's training or allow Hebi to do.


Sasuke sincerely apologize to Sakura when she was healing him. You don't apologize to someone you don't care about. If her opinion of him didn't matter to him he wouldn't have bothered apologizing. You apologize for other people and not for yourself. You forgive for yourself and not for other people.

Sasuke’s last seen meaningful interaction with a female was him poking Sakura on the head. The most important gesture for Sasuke.
Even neutrals old japanese can totally call it the ‘most affectionate gesture’ from sasuke during the entire manga then you have no excuse for being stupid.

The last chapter of the manga is totally dedicated to Sasuke. Sasuke's speech in 698-699 showed his true feelings and that he left his darkness behind and is prepared to cherish his bonds. You can clearly see a new Sasuke in 699 especially towards Sakura.

Actually you can see a case 100 times worse like Obito.

Obito killed Kushina and Minato, attempted to murder Naruto as baby, unleashed Fox on village making him directly responsible for everyone that died then, helped to kill his own clan, attempted to destroy all the world, directly responsible for starting a war making him responsible for 10,000 deaths, helped form and corrupted a missing-nin group and captured all the jinchuurikis. Revived the Juubi and Killed more of ten thousands people when became Juubi Jinchuuriki.


Naruto totally forgot Obito's crimes and defended the criminal after his death. Obito still gets to spend the rest of his afterlife with Rin instead of paying for his sins in hell.
 
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So was NaruSaku end game until they changed their minds towards the end? That's what I'm getting from reading these responses

kishi does not know how to write romance
anyone who tries to justify NaruHina,SasuS,NaruSaku or SasuNaru needs to get a life
 
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You didn't need to post this every time.
I already got it

Why are you using a Sasuke's Avatar?You don't understand nothing about him.
Traumatized as a child, Sasuke had difficulties letting anyone get close to him for fear that they would deter him from his goal of avenging his clan.

This manga is about bonds, forgiveness, friendships. In this manga ninjas tried to kill each other and then forgive each other.


The Murder attempts is simply Kishimoto wanting to show Sasuke at his lowest point and the result of all the traumas and problems sasuke had in his life until then.

Sakura understands that darkness had taken over Sasuke because his bad past and it was not his true self.
At that time, Sasuke was totally out of his own. The real Sasuke would never act like that and Kishimoto reinforces this idea when Sakura didn’t recognize him and Sakura saying he is completely different from the old Sasuke.
Not to mention Sakura wasn’t a defenseless victim. She put herself in risk when she tried to kill Sasuke.

She kept believing in will Sasuke come back and be rescuing.



Kishi decided to skip their development because he thought his fans could see what he was hinting at. Themes of forgiveness, redemption, and atonement.


Sasuke is a person for whom family bonds mean everything. Aside from his brief bout with murderous madness in Kage Summit when he was in his lowest point. Sasuke has never been violent. He wouldn't even kill opponents during Orochimaru's training or allow Hebi to do.
While persons like Gaara was much more worse and only killed for fun.

Sasuke sincerely apologize to Sakura when she was healing him. You don't apologize to someone you don't care about. If her opinion of him didn't matter to him he wouldn't have bothered apologizing. You apologize for other people and not for yourself. You forgive for yourself and not for other people.

Sasuke’s last seen meaningful interaction with a female was him poking Sakura on the head. The most important gesture for Sasuke.
Even neutrals old japanese can totally call it the ‘most affectionate gesture’ from sasuke during the entire manga then you have no excuse for being stupid.

The last chapter of the manga is totally dedicated to Sasuke. Sasuke's speech in 698-699 showed his true feelings and that he left his darkness behind and is prepared to cherish his bonds. You can clearly see a new one changed Sasuke in 699 especially towards Sakura.
For one, her obsession has no real emotional foundation. She likes Sasuke, same as every girl in her class, for the same reason as every girl in her class. An understandable shallowness for a 12 year old girl, but it’s never explained what else about Sasuke specifically makes her so desperate and wistful. Even as the series progresses and the two admittedly become closer as teammates, we’re never given an interpersonal dimension about their compatibility or chemistry. Nothing about who Sasuke is actually draws her in, and he’s essentially a trophy for her. If she gets Sasuke she wins; she beats Ino and the rest of her class at their shared goal. She has a bonifide certificate of her worth to combat the teasing she faced as a child and thus transmutes Sasuke the person into her goal. In the end, Sakura just wants him really badly so she gets him. This evident lack in emotional reasoning and ethics makes it unbearably difficult to empathize with Sakura’s grand romantic gestures or her unfailing passion for Sasuke in general. I’m not saying her overall concern for him was feigned, but I am saying her romantic obsession was selfish and seldom proven to be something that improved her relationship with Sasuke. In fact, we see Sasuke ignore and dismiss her even in part 1, which is supposedly the grand sequence for this “love” story, because her obsession cripples her. He calls her out on being ineffective and annoying while he positively responds to Naruto and Kakashi for being strong, capable, and relatable. Sakura is so hellbent on making Sasuke hers, instead of building an actual friendship, that she never accurately picks up on the kind of person he is and the fact that she’s constantly distracted from becoming a stronger shinobi turns him way off. He still cares about her as a comrade, but makes it clear he has no interest in her fleeting desires.

Then there’s the fact that Sakura herself can be emotionally manipulative, and she exhibits this with Sasuke more than anyone else. Whenever Sasuke leaves for his own personal reasons, i.e. Sasuke retrieval and chapter 692/3, she makes no effort to try to understand his motivations and gives him ultimatums, remnant of “me or your goals”. Thats emotional terrorism and is incredibly abusive. Sakura knows nothing about Sasuke’s pain from having the village he grew up in systematically murder his entire family and pinning it on his brother, whom he loved more than anything. Sakura doesn’t even know who Itatchi is, or how he was a loving, affectionate brother to Sasuke til the very end, or the mind boggling sacrifices he made so that Sasuke could live as happily as possible(which by the way is why the forehead poke is pure shit). The only people who know the truth about the Uchiha clan are Kakashi, Naruto, and Yamamoto, and apparently the village hasn’t been made aware if they still blame Sasuke for wanting to leave/revolution. Naruto, by comparison, felt true empathy for Sasuke, and wanted nothing but for the both of their feelings to be mutually understood. Naruto was constantly concerned about how Sasuke felt as a whole person, trying to figure out why he was so hurt and what he could do to alleviate that hurt. Sakura, conversely, just wanted Sasuke as an ideal, and this is best illustrated with her assassination attempt. She takes “responsibility” and agency for Sasuke’s state of affairs and decides its on her to kill him, like Ol Yeller. She never inquired about Sasuke’s motivations, pains, or attempted to understand him and considers Sasuke a burden. Naruto refused to kill Sasuke, because any justice he served without understanding Sasuke would just be another nugget of revenge in the world’s bleak history. Naruto refused to kill Sasuke because no matter what path Sasuke took, Naruto cared for him and wanted his happiness, whatever source it manifested. Naruto still stood headfast to protect his village and the world, and still wanted Sasuke back as a companion, but it was never a question that Naruto was willing to put his life on the line for Sasuke’s redemption, and Naruto was certain Sasuke could be redeemed because the connection they formed was genuine.

It isn’t just Sasuke who she disregards and diminishes. Sakura’s requirement to sate her own elementary, selfish validation by ”getting” Sasuke also invades the sanctity of her other bonds. As destructive and sexist as getting the prettiest boy as the band-aid for Sakura’s self esteem objectively is, this notion persists to the very ****ing end, as Sasuke peacefully disembarks on a Mecca of his own, and we see her buckle into a puddle of doubt and despair the second he does anything that doesn’t involve her. This propensity to be a constant part of Sasuke’s life where she isn’t needed or wanted also urges that she dismiss all of her other relationships, including Ino, her best friend, whose father had just died. No desire, or even internal conflict, to stay with her mourning comrades arises. In part one, she readily abandons her friends, family and village for a boy she’s been on a team with for less than a year. It’s only in Sasuke’s absence that she begins to challenge how much she prioritizes him over others, only to hastily regress once she no longer has to worry about his outwardly terrorist activities.

Sakura’s romantic love for Sasuke is formed on a petty foundation, is wholey conditional, and has no definitive, positive function for how she interacts with Sasuke. She could very much still be concerned for his safety and his darkness overcoming him as she was without her obsession, see: her entire relationship with Naruto in part 2. Her intentions dehumanize Sasuke and romanticize callousness, addiction, and selfishness. Combine that with Sasuke’s history of being a neglectful, cruel, condescending person who feels he’s above concerning himself with how his words and actions affect people, especially Sakura, and you come to the infallible conclusion that these two are bad for EACH OTHER. Their character arcs would greatly benefit from them being as platonic as possible, because nothing about these two being intimate makes either of them better people or even that happy. In fact, more often than not, they bring out the absolute worst in each other.

I'm sorry but these negs anything you can write about SasuSaku and their relationship^
 

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Naruto is an idiot though.

I was actually saying about how Sasuke called Itachi a true Hokage


Sasuke is of genius level intellect, and Sasuke never lies

@BOLD Incorrect.He lied to Sakura in her first confession when he said he couldnt remember calling her annoying about the parents thing

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kishi does not know how to write romance
anyone who tries to justify NaruHina,SasuS,NaruSaku or SasuNaru needs to get a life

NaruHina - I will always love you, even if you kill my cousin

SasuSaku - I will always love you, even when you tried to kill me countless times.

NaruSau - ???

SasuNaru - ???

Fill in it XD
 

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Ninshu indoctrination. Sasuke was indoctrinated by it and turned back into part 1 Sasuke.
 

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Kishi himself admitted he used NS as a way to make people keep reading until the end. It was a red herring. XD

Uh he said was considering NS but decided Sakura switching would make her a terrible woman and Hinata was always there for him from the start and he felt pity on her if she didnt get Naruto.
 

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Uh he said was considering NS but decided Sakura switching would make her a terrible woman and Hinata was always there for him from the start and he felt pity on her if she didnt get Naruto.
That was the old interview.He made several ones following that one.:|

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I was actually saying about how Sasuke called Itachi a true Hokage




@BOLD Incorrect.He lied to Sakura in her first confession when he said he couldnt remember calling her annoying about the parents thing

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True but does Sasuke even lie about his feelings/love
 

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That was the old interview.He made several ones following that one.:|

But he still said that Lol

I know about the red herring thing but lets not make this a NS thread.Its about how SasuSaku happened and why.Lets keep it that way
 
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