Obviously. I never believe this "Prime" Hiruzen hype. Karin is an Uzumaki/Senju and performed a feat on the scale of Kushina Uzumaki. No wonder Orochimaru wanted Karin as part of his collection.
Obviously. I never believe this "Prime" Hiruzen hype. Karin is an Uzumaki/Senju and performed a feat on the scale of Kushina Uzumaki. No wonder Orochimaru wanted Karin as part of his collection.
That is true and you can see it in the manga. However you can't argue Karin's attack did more damage to the Buddha than the "legendary Sarutobi". Karin Bae is a queen.
Assuming Kaguya is left out on purpose, it looks pretty good! I would swap Temari out with Chiyo though. Gurren is also pretty powerful but she isn't cannon. Tsunade also might be higher ranked than Konan in my book.
2-Mito [KCM + Chakra Chains + Yin Seal > Yin seal]
3-Konan [Immune to Taijutsu, enough said]
4-Tsunade [Better taijutsu, speed, and reaction feats, better hype, Senju DNA, & Body Derangement technique]
5-Kushina [Chakra Chains that solo'd the strongest Bijuu, can easily restrain and rip Sakura apart limb from limb w/ this ability, incredible speed as shown when she was able to intercept Kurama's attack while in a HEAVILY weakened state]
6-Yugito [Can access full 2-tails mode, so Bijuu Bomb solos]
7-Chiyo [Controls Sakura w/ strings and makes her punch herself in the face. Also has better reaction and speed feats, as she constantly had to save or protect sakura against attacks she couldn't or failed to avoid.
8-Fuu [Scale Powder blinds Sakura, leaving her open for an attack, as she can no longer see Fuu]
9-Mei [Boil release melts Sakura's body the same way it did to Sasuke's Susano'O, which is far more durable than Sakura herself. Her water style was strong enough to counter Madara's fire style, so that too will cause trouble for Sakura]
10-Kurotsuchi [Lava release can be used to immobilize her legs and hands, thereby giving Kurotsuchi an opening to kill her, she also made it to the rank of Kage, which would undoubtedly mean she' strong]
That is true and you can see it in the manga. However you can't argue Karin's attack did more damage to the Buddha than the "legendary Sarutobi". Karin Bae is a queen.
She has KCM, Uzumaki Chains & Yin seal. She's the strongest female after Kaguya, hands down.
Oh my god, no. Sakura hasn't surpassed Tsunade in anything aside from efficiency w/ the seal, and that's only due to age. Tsunade still has more chakra, better medical feats, Senju DNA, Raw strength, decades of experience, WAY WAY better speed & reaction feats against actual note-worthy opponents, and punches harder than Sakura.
Sakura's base chakra > Tsunade's already displayed in the manga.. That Senju/Uzumaki dna wank is not gonna work here, unless you wanna apply it to everytime you argue against/for Tsunade.
Tsunade doesn't have the fan-fic raw strength. Everything relating to her strength is from chakra control. Don't give her something she doesn't have.. and yet yall tell me i wank them.. oh please.
Their speed.. Sakura is better, she has better control hence can enhance her speed better than Tsunade. And her punch is weaker than Sakuras, and not only that.. You talked about note-worthy opponents right.. Sorry but if that is your best attempt to make Tsunade superior to Sakura.. then it is weak. Show me where Sakura has been forced to fight elite ninja.. she hasn't. That ain't her fault, thats Kishimoto's.
Experience: Guess what Naruto and Sasuke have way less experience than Jiraiya and Orochimaru.
Any person who can read the manga with non-biased mind, can acknowledge Sakura unlocking yinseal is the moment she surpassed Tsunade. Similar to Naruto surpassing Jraiya when he unlocked SM.
I can agree with this, but Sakura is better than or equal to Tsunade, assuming this is war arc Sakura. And both of them are better than Konan (without prep)
Also, I'd argue that Temari > Mei as Temari can blow her mist attacks back at her, but ehhh. Temari can also actually beat Sakura and Tsunade under various conditions.
Kushina is hella tanky, but she has very few offensive feats.
I'm not going to include Kaguya, who isn't a kunoichi nor am I including characters without enough feats for an accurate judgement of their power.
Edit: Well I guess I'll give a brief explanation on my rankings. Sakura and Tsunade have access to Katsuyu so they can essentially fight alongside a giant durable partner and since they are hard to kill and have great stamina and destructive power, they have more going for them than people like Temari or Mei who don't have the ability to tank attacks, overwhelm their opponents with numbers or outlast their opponents. Sakura is ranked above Tsunade due to superior speed/reaction feats and destructive power which is more important than experience, intelligence, etc. Mei is ranked above Temari due to greater versatility and speed feats. I've ranked Temari above Konan and Chiyo because Temari has far greater destructive power and range than Konan or Chiyo. Her fuuton usage is more versatile than Konan's paper usage and Chiyo's puppetry. One may argue that destructive power isn't the only aspect when it comes to rankings and while this is true, even in trivial matters such as skill and intelligence, Temari is up there and her attacks are much harder to avoid/tank compared to the two below her. I ranked Konan above Chiyo because Konan's ability to disperse into paper allows her to attain a state of logia hax where she is invulnerable to ordinary physical attacks.
Already did. Mito has KCM & Yin Seal, which already put her far above Sakura. And Kushina has her chains that were able to restrain a Bijuu and speed that far surpasses Sakura's. If anything, she could easily blitz Sakura.
Sakura has no speed feats to compare to Mei. On the other hand, Mei was fighting and keeping up w/ Madara and his jutsus, being able to react and counter his Fireballs.
How many times do I have to go over how bad Sakura's evasive skills are before you stop wanking it like it's the best thing in the universe?
Sakura has failed to evade the following
1. Couldn’t dodge Omoi’s fodder kick
2. Couldn’t dodge A single wooden spike and needed saving from Kakashi
3. Couldn’t dodge Sasuke’s chidori and needed saving from Kakashi
4. Couldn’t dodge Kabuto’s butt, which knocked her out cold
5. Couldn’t dodge a flying rock
6. Couldn't dodge 4-tailed Naruto's tail
Her only good evasive feats are against Sasori’s puppets, and even then, that is undermined by the fact that Sakura essentially had prep time to analyze Sasori’s attack pattern while chiyo controlled her and kept her safe from harm. Otherwise, she would have died instantly.
In other words, if Sakura has no prep time to analyze the opponents attack pattern, then she won’t be able to avoid them easily.
In fact, Sakura was only able to avoid certain death 13 times due to chiyo saving her ass with her puppetry skills from sasori’s attacks and her having prep time to make 3 antidotes, of which 2 were used on her.
3 times in 265
4 times in 267
1 time in 268
2 times in 269
1 time in 270
1 time in 271
1 time in 273
2 times in 274
Thats a total of 15 fails of Sakura avoiding Sasori’s attacks, adding the fails from the list above, and we’ve got 21 moments where Sakura has failed to use her “super awesome” evasive skills.
So stop trying to make is seem like her evasive skills are something so great and amazing when they really aren’t anything impressive at all.
5. Chiyo Cannot Attach Strings To Sakura When She's Busy Trying To Compose Herself As Her Surrounding's Are being Destroyed, Sakura One Shot's.
Why does that matter? Do you really think creating a few 'mountains' will have any affect on Chiyo ? or any shinobi for that matter? Sakura will eventually need to engage in cqc w/ Chiyo, and from their, Chiyo could easily use her 10 puppets [which were able to beat Sasori's 100 mostly on their own] to connect w/ Sakura and attach strings to her. Plus, even if Sakura tries to hit Chiyo up front, her speed and reflexes would allow her to either dodge or defend w/ her chakra shield. She could easily blitz or catch Sakura off guard in a fashion similar to what she did to Sasori
6. Sakura's Proven That She Can Rely On Her Other Senses When Her Sight Is Compromised, Sakura > Fuu.
Hinata has better taijutsu and reflexes in comparison to Sakura, so she definitely will push Sakura back. Her taijutsu in the last was shown to be on par w/ base Naruto and Hiashi's. All she needs to do is close her chakra points to win, and, sure, Sakura can reopen them if her seal is closed, but if that's the case, it would mean her organs would not heal from the heavy damage gentle fist would cause to them, assumign it doesn't straight out kill her. Sooner or later Sakura will need to release the seal to either unlock any blocked points, any internal damage done, or both. And if her Yin seal is released and she gets her chakra points closed, she would lose access to her healing abilities.
Nope, Temari would still win, as her attacks were powerful enough to cause heavy damage to the 3rd Raikage's body. And I don't think I need to remind you exactly what kind of attacks that man was able to tank, which goes to show Temari's wind style could easily cause heavy damage to Sakura, perhaps even killing her. Her taijutsu and speed are also on par w/ Sakura's so she's safe in that zone.
Sakura's base chakra > Tsunade's already displayed in the manga.. That Senju/Uzumaki dna wank is not gonna work here, unless you wanna apply it to everytime you argue against/for Tsunade.
You think a nobodie's BASE chakra is better than a Senju/Uzumaki's? ooooh my goood
Tsunade doesn't have the fan-fic raw strength. Everything relating to her strength is from chakra control. Don't give her something she doesn't have.. and yet yall tell me i wank them.. oh please.
Tsunade blitz'd Kabuto, Madara, and Orochimaru and had her speed compared to Ay's by Madara. sakura's best speed feat is dodging an unstable Juubi. Wonderful.
she has better control hence can enhance her speed better than Tsunade.
Hashirama compared a teen Pre-seal Tsuande to Yin Seal Sakura in strength. Try again.
You talked about note-worthy opponents right.. Sorry but if that is your best attempt to make Tsunade superior to Sakura.. then it is weak. Show me where Sakura has been forced to fight elite ninja.. she hasn't. That ain't her fault, thats Kishimoto's.
I can agree with this, but Sakura is better than or equal to Tsunade, assuming this is war arc Sakura. And both of them are better than Konan (without prep)
Also, I'd argue that Temari > Mei as Temari can blow her mist attacks back at her, but ehhh. Temari can also actually beat Sakura and Tsunade under various conditions.
Kushina is hella tanky, but she has very few offensive feats.
How can you say YS Sakura is equal or above Tsunade when Hashirama compared her strength w/ the seal to Tsuande's w/o it ? When her medical feats are better? When her raw strength feats are better? When her tanking feats are better? And when her speed and taijutsu feats are better?
How would Sakura or Tsunade even manage to land a hit on Konan when she's intangible to Taijutsu and can fly away to fight from a safe distance?
Mei's mist doesn't affect her own body, so Temari blowing it away wouldn't hurt Mei.
Though I understand why you didnt add them, I think Kushina should be up there none the less. Her chains are one of the most versatile and dangerous techniques we have seen in the manga. They could restrain a full kurama and produce a barrier so powerful that not even Hiruzen w/ all his knowledge + Anbu could break through it.
I dont think Tsunade or Sakura would be able to defeat her just by seeing her Chakra Chains alone.
I really don't care about such stupid technicalities.
Already did. Mito has KCM & Yin Seal, which already put her far above Sakura. And Kushina has her chains that were able to restrain a Bijuu and speed that far surpasses Sakura's. If anything, she could easily blitz Sakura.
Sakura has no speed feats to compare to Mei. On the other hand, Mei was fighting and keeping up w/ Madara and his jutsus, being able to react and counter his Fireballs.
How many times do I have to go over how bad Sakura's evasive skills are before you stop wanking it like it's the best thing in the universe?
Sakura has failed to evade the following
1. Couldn’t dodge Omoi’s fodder kick
2. Couldn’t dodge A single wooden spike and needed saving from Kakashi
3. Couldn’t dodge Sasuke’s chidori and needed saving from Kakashi
4. Couldn’t dodge Kabuto’s butt, which knocked her out cold
5. Couldn’t dodge a flying rock
6. Couldn't dodge 4-tailed Naruto's tail
Her only good evasive feats are against Sasori’s puppets, and even then, that is undermined by the fact that Sakura essentially had prep time to analyze Sasori’s attack pattern while chiyo controlled her and kept her safe from harm. Otherwise, she would have died instantly.
In other words, if Sakura has no prep time to analyze the opponents attack pattern, then she won’t be able to avoid them easily.
In fact, Sakura was only able to avoid certain death 13 times due to chiyo saving her ass with her puppetry skills from sasori’s attacks and her having prep time to make 3 antidotes, of which 2 were used on her.
3 times in 265
4 times in 267
1 time in 268
2 times in 269
1 time in 270
1 time in 271
1 time in 273
2 times in 274
Thats a total of 15 fails of Sakura avoiding Sasori’s attacks, adding the fails from the list above, and we’ve got 21 moments where Sakura has failed to use her “super awesome” evasive skills.
So stop trying to make is seem like her evasive skills are something so great and amazing when they really aren’t anything impressive at all.
Why does that matter? Do you really think creating a few 'mountains' will have any affect on Chiyo ? or any shinobi for that matter? Sakura will eventually need to engage in cqc w/ Chiyo, and from their, Chiyo could easily use her 10 puppets [which were able to beat Sasori's 100 mostly on their own] to connect w/ Sakura and attach strings to her. Plus, even if Sakura tries to hit Chiyo up front, her speed and reflexes would allow her to either dodge or defend w/ her chakra shield. She could easily blitz or catch Sakura off guard in a fashion similar to what she did to Sasori
Oh, this is good. So when exactly did she ever fight w/ no vision against an opponent ? And won ?
Hinata has better taijutsu and reflexes in comparison to Sakura, so she definitely will push Sakura back. Her taijutsu in the last was shown to be on par w/ base Naruto and Hiashi's. All she needs to do is close her chakra points to win, and, sure, Sakura can reopen them if her seal is closed, but if that's the case, it would mean her organs would not heal from the heavy damage gentle fist would cause to them, assumign it doesn't straight out kill her. Sooner or later Sakura will need to release the seal to either unlock any blocked points, any internal damage done, or both. And if her Yin seal is released and she gets her chakra points closed, she would lose access to her healing abilities.
Nope, Temari would still win, as her attacks were powerful enough to cause heavy damage to the 3rd Raikage's body. And I don't think I need to remind you exactly what kind of attacks that man was able to tank, which goes to show Temari's wind style could easily cause heavy damage to Sakura, perhaps even killing her. Her taijutsu and speed are also on par w/ Sakura's so she's safe in that zone.
You think a nobodie's BASE chakra is better than a Senju/Uzumaki's? ooooh my goood
nope, she does.
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Tsunade blitz'd Kabuto, Madara, and Orochimaru and had her speed compared to Ay's by Madara. sakura's best speed feat is dodging an unstable Juubi. Wonderful.
Where was this said?
Hashirama compared a teen Pre-seal Tsuande to Yin Seal Sakura in strength. Try again.
Meaning she lacks any credible feats or hype.
Not the same case, and you know it. Those two are incarnates w/ special blood & had power ups spoon-fed to them. Lol
How can you say YS Sakura is equal or above Tsunade when Hashirama compared her strength w/ the seal to Tsuande's w/o it ? When her medical feats are better? When her raw strength feats are better? When her tanking feats are better? And when her speed and taijutsu feats are better?
How would Sakura or Tsunade even manage to land a hit on Konan when she's intangible to Taijutsu and can fly away to fight from a safe distance?
Mei's mist doesn't affect her own body, so Temari blowing it away wouldn't hurt Mei.
0) Kaguya
1) Kushina (Karin's much weaker Adamantine Attacking Chains dealt with Buddha Statue and according to the databook, Kushina's Adamantine Sealing Chains are much stronger, also Kyuubi Jin)
2) Tsunade
3) Sakura
4) Temari (Part 1, was capable of
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Note how small they are compared to the AOE.)
5) Konan
How so ? Everthing I've said has been backed up canon, while your empty claims of her having good enough evasive skills to dodge Kurotsuchi's lava style are nothing more than empty hype which is contradicted by negative feats in said category. Or your even more ludicrous claim of her being able to out speed Mei despite her being able to rect to Madara's attacks . Not to mention her Acid Style would make it impossible for Sakura to get near her.
