EMS Madara vs SM Kabuto

[Bolt Rules]

Kabuto summons Itachi and proceeds to shit on Madara

 

[Amaterasu]

Madara wins med-diff. Perfect Susanoo overwhelms him

 

[Unorthodox]

Not when he has Edo Tensei that blocking his sight via Hidden Mist, Nagato setting up CT, Dan ghost mode, And Mu setting up everyone with light weight so everyone can fly/ elevate their attacks and Gengetsu genjutsu range.

all of witch are irrelevent The mist absolute useless the aoe and shockwaves sends everyone flying right out of the mist destroying them completely. Chibaku tensei gets bisected with no effort it not even close to a distraction. Ghost mode is useless since dan is not getting out of the range of ps shockwave to begin with Muu is not touching every single edo at once nor is it even relevant because he kills kabuto then destroys the rest. also with their slow flight there not dodging the shockwaves anyways they get sent right out of the sky in thrown into a rumble of mountains. His genjutsu is moot not only his perfect susanoo to big to be caught it destroys it with a simple

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Which Madara is gonna need to fly here, as Manda 2 can easily pop out of the ground and wrap himself to temporally hold PS down. Which could be Jinton to the face of PS, gg.

No he is not Manda 2 gets turned to paste not only can madara see it via sharingan it be no means has the physical power to restraint ps once it comes out the ground it gets pasted.

Um no it just means the genjutsu doesn't kick in yet, since sound is being use as a medium to travel chakra into the brain.

you disproved nothing it still travels slower then voices nor is it reaching the top of perfect susanoo in time before kabuto gets killed.

Lol, to bad manga doesn't support this claim, since Kabuto > Tayuya, which manga support the Genjutsu gets a serious power up. So no proof that the serious power up gets the same treatment.

Genjutsu is genjutu

Pain breaks genjutsu same with partner method no matter who's using it unless its rinne genjutsu related

If it could land. But with Edo's there too many option to blind Madara.

None of the edos can last a second with perfect susanoo so all is moot

 

[Brother Numpsay]

all of witch are irrelevent The mist absolute useless the aoe and shockwaves sends everyone flying right out of the mist destroying them completely. Chibaku tensei gets bisected with no effort it not even close to a distraction. Ghost mode is useless since dan is not getting out of the range of ps shockwave to begin with Muu is not touching every single edo at once nor is it even relevant because he kills kabuto then destroys the rest. also with their slow flight there not dodging the shockwaves anyways they get sent right out of the sky in thrown into a rumble of mountains. His genjutsu is moot not only his perfect susanoo to big to be caught it destroys it with a simple

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Clearly Im wasting my time as you have no idea how shockwaves work. If Madara swing the PS sword the way he did to the Gokage, its the the ground leveling that made the Gokages go flying. Unless your implying the Gokages tank the shockwave and was blown back from it. Either way, the mist covers floor level, not just one spot where the shockwaves is destroying whatever path it follows and Madara has no idea where Kabuto and the Edo's I mention are, as they can be from any corner. So no, Dan isn't going to be find, nor Kabuto (who can also go underground of the mist). Muu, can touch the important factors I mentioned so not that I even considered every Edo anyway. So if Madara wants to fly, not only can't he not level the ground anymore with shockwaves, but the Edo's I mention can fly with too. So flying Hidden Mist, Flying Mist Genjutsu (since your arguing he will be too big to reach and they can alter the length of the genjutsu by flying). Dan still one shots/ leaves an opening. And you just outright admitted CT is a distraction, as you stated he swings it blade on it to destroy, which prepares the others for its next swing.

No he is not Manda 2 gets turned to paste not only can madara see it via sharingan it be no means has the physical power to restraint ps once it comes out the ground it gets pasted.

Um no he can't since its coming underground, with hidden mist on the floor, so he will only see color chakra of the mist.

Manda 2 can't get pasted from close range because in order for Madara to produce shockwaves is to swing his sword.

The hit box of the shockwave is from the tip of the sword.

you disproved nothing it still travels slower then voices nor is it reaching the top of perfect susanoo in time before kabuto gets killed.

Good thing Kabuto has Edo Tensei that I mentioned, plus superior reflexes here in this match up.

Genjutsu is genjutu

Pain breaks genjutsu same with partner method no matter who's using it unless its rinne genjutsu related

Except pain =/= partner

And if I were to listen to this dumb logic then all method can work on Tsukuyomi too

None of the edos can last a second with perfect susanoo so all is moot

Except they can so your argument is moot.

 

[Draegod]

Only a retard would think EMS Madara beats Kabuto and Edo army. lol

 

[Unorthodox]

Clearly Im wasting my time as you have no idea how shockwaves work. If Madara swing the PS sword the way he did to the Gokage, its the the ground leveling that made the Gokages go flying. Unless your implying the Gokages tank the shockwave and was blown back from it. Either way, the mist covers floor level, not just one spot where the shockwaves is destroying whatever path it follows and Madara has no idea where Kabuto and the Edo's I mention are, as they can be from any corner. So no, Dan isn't going to be find, nor Kabuto (who can also go underground of the mist). Muu, can touch the important factors I mentioned so not that I even considered every Edo anyway. So if Madara wants to fly, not only can't he not level the ground anymore with shockwaves, but the Edo's I mention can fly with too. So flying Hidden Mist, Flying Mist Genjutsu (since your arguing he will be too big to reach and they can alter the length of the genjutsu by flying). Dan still one shots/ leaves an opening. And you just outright admitted CT is a distraction, as you stated he swings it blade on it to destroy, which prepares the others for its next swing.

Not going to play these games with you concerning shockwaves. Madara shockwaves are in a sphere its just the way he swings it most of the power goes that way Madara did not even aim at the gokages and yes it was the both the ground in the pure force behind his perfect susanoo blade

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you see the aftershock coming through that shows that it indeed travels in a sphere once its used to also explain look at the ground witch was destroy by the shockwave because Madara did not even aim at the gokages meaning the shockwave destroyed the ground and tossed the gokage back like flies. The rest is so beneath me honestly i dont know why i even reply to such rubbish Madara swings his sword in a 360

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also everyone goes flying like the gokage did even kabuto. Muu is not touching them in time and even so like i said there still getting flung around even if their flying the shockwaves travel over perfect susanoo head

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even look at the other scan when kurama was wrapped in perfect susanoo those shockwaves was above his head level aswell even with flight their not escaping Madara can also use kage bushin with juubi size katon to burn out the mist or the claim genjutsu bullshit you keep saying. Chibaku tensei is no distraction Swing one sword to destroy it means nothing when Madara's PS has 4 arms

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1 for chibaku tensei 3 more plus juubi size katons witch he can use through susanoo the edos and Kabuto are rapped.

Um no he can't since its coming underground, with hidden mist on the floor, so he will only see color chakra of the mist.
Manda 2 can't get pasted from close range because in order for Madara to produce shockwaves is to swing his sword.
The hit box of the shockwave is from the tip of the sword.

This mist argument has been killed already yet your still using it tsk. The shockwaves or debri clears the mist completely or his juubi size katon. Wrong he does not need a shockwaves to kill Manda 2 the can jab it or stab it right the the head or simply shank its body apart his katon can boil the snake alive it by no means is a factor.

Good thing Kabuto has Edo Tensei that I mentioned, plus superior reflexes here in this match up.

Superior reflexes are shit when your going up against someone who attacks Aoe is larger than village range. Also by what feats does he he have superior reflexes than Madara?

Except pain =/= partner
And if I were to listen to this dumb logic then all method can work on Tsukuyomi too
Except they can so your argument is moot.

do i really need to explain why tsukuyomi is an exception damn its like talking to a wall. Tsukuyomi unlike any other genjutsu takes a single instance to finish your opponent off partner method is useless because it to fast same with pain it happens in a momment meaning there is no help. Sound genjutsu in any other genjutsu does not work in a instance thus those methods shit on those genjutsu's. you didnt disprove shit nothing you said held any value you just played defense the hole time didnt even give a proper reason to why kabuto wins

Madara wins low diff

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Not going to play these games with you concerning shockwaves. Madara shockwaves are in a sphere its just the way he swings it most of the power goes that way Madara did not even aim at the gokages and yes it was the both the ground in the pure force behind his perfect susanoo blade

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you see the aftershock coming through that shows that it indeed travels in a sphere once its used to also explain look at the ground witch was destroy by the shockwave because Madara did not even aim at the gokages meaning the shockwave destroyed the ground and tossed the gokage back like flies. The rest is so beneath me honestly i dont know why i even reply to such rubbish Madara swings his sword in a 360

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also everyone goes flying like the gokage did even kabuto. Muu is not touching them in time and even so like i said there still getting flung around even if their flying the shockwaves travel over perfect susanoo head

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even look at the other scan when kurama was wrapped in perfect susanoo those shockwaves was above his head level aswell even with flight their not escaping Madara can also use kage bushin with juubi size katon to burn out the mist or the claim genjutsu bullshit you keep saying. Chibaku tensei is no distraction Swing one sword to destroy it means nothing when Madara's PS has 4 arms

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1 for chibaku tensei 3 more plus juubi size katons witch he can use through susanoo the edos and Kabuto are rapped.

Lol no, shockwaves dont come in spheres it goes base on the medium it is generated. Since its generated by the sword, the shockwave travels at the same length as the sword. Which is why this shockwave Madara usage cuts. Thats different then an average shockwave attack, such has Gedo Statue's version. If Madara actually does blow things back, (thats not in the shocwaves range or cut range) then Hashirama would have been blown back when Madara use the "360" swing to chop up his Hobi Hands. But as we witness twice, theres no way shockwaves (In MADARAS CASE) can reach its hitbox at close range. Thats why we saw him slash down on the

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, since the shockwave isn't generated to land actuate close range

Heres a closer look at the shockwave Madara generates:

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Notice the red circle is the starting point to where MAdara's slash begins, on how it was swung, and the way it travels. There were SA in that same area, not being blown back here either.

The rest of your arugment isn't support that he can generate his highest Katon + Create clones + Us PS at the same time.

He either does Katon + Clones first (which will be a waste of time and get defeated faster) or go PS.

This mist argument has been killed already yet your still using it tsk. The shockwaves or debri clears the mist completely or his juubi size katon. Wrong he does not need a shockwaves to kill Manda 2 the can jab it or stab it right the the head or simply shank its body apart his katon can boil the snake alive it by no means is a factor.

If your basing your arguing that he uses PS on the ground then no, it didn't counter anything but a distraction.

Manda 2 shits/tanks on any Katon Madara can ever produce, just like how Manda 1 can handle it. Not to mention no evidence he can mold chakra for his highest Katon with PS. Even then its useless. Regardless PS is going to struggle being restrain as much as me already holding you down personally, arms already wrap around you, when you have a weapon in your hand. You may eventually kill me but at least I made time.

So in anytime Manda 2 is getting stabbed and killed, Sound Genjutsu would have finished.

Superior reflexes are shit when your going up against someone who attacks Aoe is larger than village range. Also by what feats does he he have superior reflexes than Madara?

Tell that to Hashirama if it meant crap.

@Bold dont want to break this down but evidence shows they are at least =, which still validates my point.

do i really need to explain why tsukuyomi is an exception damn its like talking to a wall. Tsukuyomi unlike any other genjutsu takes a single instance to finish your opponent off partner method is useless because it to fast same with pain it happens in a momment meaning there is no help. Sound genjutsu in any other genjutsu does not work in a instance thus those methods shit on those genjutsu's. you didnt disprove shit nothing you said held any value you just played defense the hole time didnt even give a proper reason to why kabuto wins

Madara wins low diff

Tsukuyomi plus Senjutsu boost already proves your claims wrong.

You can't treat and compare Sharingan: Genjutsu to Tsukuyomi as you would to Tayuyas Genjutsu to a SM version (that gets a serious power up).

Saying its the same needs evidence.

And saying "Genjutsu is Genjutsu" claim is a self defeating claim as you just broke down.


I already gave my reasons why Kabuto wins. Madara as too many on his plate, while he is very vulnerable to Sound Genjutsu and jutsus that dont need to worry about breaking/destroying PS, bar Jinton (which should be used only to focus on aiming Susanoo's face where Madara's located.

If you claim he kills Kabuto. Then focusing on Kabuto leads to one of the Edo Tensei killing him. Such as Dan or Muu with Jinton to the face.

If Madara wants to find Dan's body to stop the ghost attack, he is vulnerable to Sound Genjutsu.

If Madara wants to swap Muu from getting in his face (PS) with a Jinton, Then he is vulnerable to Sound Genjutsu.

Theres a cycle he has to deal with, on top of the fact that they dont have to be in the same location to do it.