Kurama being stronger than the other tailed beasts let's him do things other tailed beasts cant. Full gyuki's tbb barrage is 4 tbb's while 50% Kurama's is 5, and 100% is 12.
So just because kurama a stronger beast can do it from a lesser form it dosen't mean gyuuki a weaker beast can replicate it. Then there's each beast having its own niche ability,etc etc etc. The only ability they all share is tbb.
None of that proves he can't use TBB. Kuramas chakra being bigger only means he can shoot more or larger blasts. The TBB only requires chakra but your acting like theres some unique ability Kurama has that allows only it to shoot TBB in V2 when its only advantage is the amount of chakra it holds. Tailed Beast balls in v2 require less chakra than a TBB in Bijuu Mode and If Gyuki can shoot 4 standard ones in BM at once I think it's safe to say he has enough chakra to shoot the much smaller ones in V2.
The TBB only requires chakra but your acting like theres some unique ability Kurama has that allows only it to shoot TBB in V2 when its only advantage is the amount of chakra it holds.
i don't see why it wouldn't/can't be seeing as other beasts failed to do it. Either way that's not the point I was trying to make. I only brought up beast specific abilities to prove all beasts cant copy each others abilities. Kurama can't use ink, Gyuki can't use sealing sand, etc
Tailed Beast balls in v2 require less chakra than a TBB in Bijuu Mode
Kurama's bijuu Dama barrage let's him rapid fire 12 bijuu dama's where as gyuki can only do 4. So it reasons to believe kurama can do it in lesser states cus it's chakra quantities is just that big. Gyuki dosen't hold that weight.
Of course you're welcome to post a scan of him doing or even hinting to do it in v2, but Kurama's feats are in no way backwards compatible to gyuki. With your logic even Shukaku can fire tbb from v2.
Your stumbling over yourself. You call my claim baseless but you said yourself in last post Kurama is stronger and can shoot 5 TBB when Gyuki only shoots 4. That means Kurama has more chakra and can shoot more blasts. Kurama can concentrate the power of 5 TBB into 1 like he did versus Obito so obviously his blast can be larger than another Bijuus blasts, thus its stronger. Shooting larger/stronger blasts or shooting more blasts is all attributed to him having more chakra but here you are acting like its something else entirely. Your reason is "he is more powerful" and his only power over them is having more chakra. Simple logic, no?
i don't see why it wouldn't/can't be seeing as other beasts failed to do it. Either way that's not the point I was trying to make. I only brought up beast specific abilities to prove all beasts cant copy each others abilities. Kurama can't use ink, Gyuki can't use sealing sand, etc
Except TBB is not just Kuramas ability now is it? Also, If you don't see why there isn't some unique ability Kurama has that only allows it to shoot TBB in V2 state then prove it. I'll wait.
The smaller TBB used in V2 is a spec compared to the ones used in BM so they require less chakra. If Gyuki has enough chakra to fire 4 normal TBB (remember just one of them requires much more chakra than the V2 one) then he can also shoot a smaller TBB, oh wait.... I forgot you think theres some unheard of unique ability Kurama has that allows only him to do it in V2. Still waiting to see that by the way.
Kurama's bijuu Dama barrage let's him rapid fire 12 bijuu dama's where as gyuki can only do 4. So it reasons to believe kurama can do it in lesser states cus it's chakra quantities is just that big. Gyuki dosen't hold that weight.
Of course you're welcome to post a scan of him doing or even hinting to do it in v2, but Kurama's feats are in no way backwards compatible to gyuki. With your logic even Shukaku can fire tbb from v2.
TBB is not a feat of only Kurama. You seem to be missing my point over and over again.
>Only power Kurama has over other Bijuu are chakra quantities.
>TBB in V2 was smaller than Narutos own body and we know the size of it determines its power.
>Bijuu can make standard TBB which are way bigger than that of a V2 TBB, its like a spec to it.
Conclusion? A Bijuu in v2 can make a tiny TBB. Will it be as strong as V2 Narutos? No. If I were claiming that then I'd be giving Kuramas feats to Gyuki but I'm not, I'm just saying they can make TBB, a feat that isn't exclusive to Kurama.
Your stumbling over yourself. You call my claim baseless but you said yourself in last post Kurama is stronger and can shoot 5 TBB when Gyuki only shoots 4. That means Kurama has more chakra and can shoot more blasts.
Kurama can concentrate the power of 5 TBB into 1 like he did versus Obito so obviously his blast can be larger than another Bijuus blasts, thus its stronger.
Shooting larger/stronger blasts or shooting more blasts is all attributed to him having more chakra but here you are acting like its something else entirely.
I never said his only power over them is having more chakra. You did. I simply claimed that due to his superior chakra he can use tbb in an inferior state. Simple.
In v2? It can be.Unless you have proof that the other beasts can do it. Tailed beast bomb is an ability that they all share while they're fully transformed. Whereas their individual abilities can be used in lesser states.
Also, If you don't see why there isn't some unique ability Kurama has that only allows it to shoot TBB in V2 state then prove it. I'll wait.
I'm confused as to what you're asking. You want me to prove that only Kurama can use bijuu dama's in v2? Cuz I really don't have to. You and Bronze claimed that v2 bee can use tbb without proof by comparing him kurama.
My rebuttal is "kurama being a much more powerful beast can use tbb in a state(v2) where the others can't. As I'm going through your reply you've yet to disprove it.
Its not baseless because the size of the TBB is determined on how much power is put into it:
Thats baseless and goes against your current statement of "ttb chakra consumption=tbb size"
If it required less chakra to use in v2 (like you previously claimed) then going full transformation would be a waste of chakra, since according to you the same results can be achieved with less chakra(previous claim).
If you cant understand this scan, its showing that the more power Juubi put into its TBB, the bigger it got.
I understand it quite well. But I'm sure you see where your problem lies. You've taken 2 different stances and are now claiming that they are the same. When Infact they aren't. See above, I'm not going to repeat myself.
If you're going to claim that
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then make that the first and only sentence you post so I can not continue.
why would I claim that. We both know that tbb size is dependent on amount of chakra put into it. What I can claim however is that v2 gyuuki dosen't have access to enough chakra for him to do what kurama can do from said lesser state.... which is low and behold my original claim.
The smaller TBB used in V2 is a spec compared to the ones used in BM so they require less chakra.
here you are switching claims again. You can't say v2 tbb's require less chakra than full transformation tbb's since the chakra is directly proportionate to size. You done goofed. Again.
baseless. As I already said, and now already proved.
oh wait.... I forgot you think theres some unheard of unique ability Kurama has that allows only him to do it in V2. Still waiting to see that by the way.
Still waiting for what? I told you why. Superior chakra. Despite having all 9 beasts in him when he wants to make tbb's from RSM mode he calls on kurama. 1 of Kurama's tailed beast balls(not charged mind you) can match the combined power of 5 tailed beasts(charged). Gyuki's best tailed beast bomb on his own is at best the size of his head while weakened Kurama's dwarfed his body like 10 times over:
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Its not my fault you're failing to realize the massive chakra lvl difference between kurama and gyuki. Who had enough chakra to dole out v1 cloaks to an entire army multiplying their chakra levels to a factor of over while still staying bm?while still shooting tbb? While still protecting and micromanaging each and every cloak. Who's chakra got compared to hashirama? Not gyuki.
So basically your saying Gyuki can't shoot a TBB smaller than the size of a human in V2 because its chakra quantity is lower than Kuramas. Lol.
but the amount of chakra alotted in v2 is inferior to that of a full transformation. But because kuramas chakra is so damn massive he can do it v2 regardless.
>Bijuu can make standard TBB which are way bigger than that of a V2 TBB, its like a spec to it.
Well firstly i'm assuming you think Bee can fuse with Samehada and simultaneously be in Version 2 state? This isnt outside the realm of possibility since he's friends with Gyuki who would accept Samehadas chakra unlike Kurama did when he rejected Fukusaku's chakra when Naruto tried merging with him. Samehada loves Hachibi chakra so the two should work together like peas in a pod!
However this could just be counterproductive as when Bee goes V2, Samehada would just absorb the chakra cloak off his body.
