BM Minato and BM Naruto vs SM Madara and 1MS Obito.

[Gold Lightning]

Sinice we don't know the limitations of Limbo, it's really hard to bring up an argument against Madara. Is it spammable, how often can he use it, how much chakra does it use? And he the heck did limbo send 9 tailed beasts flying - that has never made sense to me.

1 RINNEGAN Madara obviously doesn't have anywhere close to the same power as Juudara with 1/2 rinnegan. So I can't use 2 Rinnegan madaras limbo feats. And even if he keeps sending the father son duo flying, that's not gonna hurt them too much.

Gedo Mazo is kind of useless against minato and Naruto, due to FTG. I think the father son duo will spend most of their time evading techniques and shielding themselves from Wood spam and rinnegan techniques. No idea how the fight will end.

 

[BLAZE]

Kurama Avatars aren't Tailed beasts, it's superior in every department.

Chakra avatar is far more durable, and Limbo only slapped them back, it caused absolutely no significant or lasting damage.

one of them was BM Naruto

They don't have any counter to limbo.Not overrating but neither can see/sense it.Slappped them all back with just single blow

 

[Blunt]

Kuramas could nuke Madara all they want, but if the 9 bijuus combined didn't hurt him, then neither is a single bijuu going to (divided in two).

Except these two halves (one half) of Kurama are almost equal to all the other Biju combined in DC.

Also, SM Madara's sensing abilities are superior to Juudara's, who easily took out SM Minato.
In terms of reflexes:
SM Madara > Juudara > SM Minato
So SM Madara > BM Naruto

Madara w/ Hashirama's Senjutsu is comparable to Rikudo Madara, who possesses the full power of the Juubi and has Rikudo's Senjutsu, which also boosts physical stats to the absolute maximum? This is clearly wrong, it shouldn't even be questionable.

The reason this is the case is because if SM Madara has superior reflexes to his 10 Tailed form, then this should also be the case with SM Minato being better than BM Minato in terms of reflexes.
BM Minato may be faster than SM Minato (the one that got defeated by Juudara), but SM Madara also has better reflexes than Juudara to sort it out.

Irrelevant, addressed above.

Naruto is a non-factor when it comes to both reflexes and speed, for look at what Madara, without neither SM nor Juubi mode, did to him. He effortlessly blocked his attack.

He blocked a linear attack, but ouldn't defend against Naruto when he and his v3 Susano'o got slapped into the ground by one of his tails, his sensory failed him than, and it will definitely fail him again with Minato added in the fight.

They needed to bump fists in order to sync their chakra, and that's considered prep. So that may work for Minato but not Naruto.

Honestly, Minato doesn't even need to use his own chakra avatar, he can camp inside Naruto's, as long as they have FTG at their disposal, GM is hardly a threat.

 

[Beans2]

Madara solos this. Obito is non factor.

 

[KingHashirama]

How do people know Minato can teleport after being caught with chains?

 

[Narutimate Storm]

How do people know Minato can teleport after being caught with chains?

Lol

Why will he not be able to?

If killer bee can cut off tentacle and use replacement jutsu, then minato can ftg. When god tree catch minato and naruto, minato escape, meanwhile naruto stuck. Same thing here, ftg escape everything, no handseal=big advantage

 

[BLAZE]

BTW there is another advantage
Maddy uses limbo to stab father and Son duo with Chakra Rods :|

 

[Amaterasu]

Kuramas could nuke Madara all they want, but if the 9 bijuus combined didn't hurt him, then neither is a single bijuu going to (divided in two). Also, SM Madara's sensing abilities are superior to Juudara's, who easily took out SM Minato.
In terms of reflexes:
SM Madara > Juudara > SM Minato
So SM Madara > BM Naruto
The reason this is the case is because if SM Madara has superior reflexes to his 10 Tailed form, then this should also be the case with SM Minato being better than BM Minato in terms of reflexes.
BM Minato may be faster than SM Minato (the one that got defeated by Juudara), but SM Madara also has better reflexes than Juudara to sort it out.

Naruto is a non-factor when it comes to both reflexes and speed, for look at what Madara, without neither SM nor Juubi mode, did to him. He effortlessly blocked his attack.

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Just change your avatar and it will be alright for your debates

 

[Demonic.]

Except these two halves (one half) of Kurama are almost equal to all the other Biju combined in DC.



Madara w/ Hashirama's Senjutsu is comparable to Rikudo Madara, who possesses the full power of the Juubi and has Rikudo's Senjutsu, which also boosts physical stats to the absolute maximum? This is clearly wrong, it shouldn't even be questionable.



Irrelevant, addressed above.



He blocked a linear attack, but ouldn't defend against Naruto when he and his v3 Susano'o got slapped into the ground by one of his tails, his sensory failed him than, and it will definitely fail him again with Minato added in the fight.





Honestly, Minato doesn't even need to use his own chakra avatar, he can camp inside Naruto's, as long as they have FTG at their disposal, GM is hardly a threat.

Honestly, your arguments are becoming ridiculous. 1 avatar makes things even easier.

Limbo already knocked Naruto's avatar on its ass with a single blow.

They can't sense or damage limbo, how will they know when to jump with FTG?

Kurama avatar has a time limit of 5-8 minutes after that, Limbo snaps their neck.

TBB is evaded by knocking Kurama's avatar on its ass or Obito can send Madara to Kamui, then bring him out.

 

[Transcendence]

BTW there is another advantage
Maddy uses limbo to stab father and Son duo with Chakra Rods :|

Limbo can't use the chakra rods. They can't use any Ninjutsu at all.

 

[BLAZE]

Limbo can't use the chakra rods. They can't use any Ninjutsu at all.

Madara can just give the Chakra Rods then.Its not like maddy will run out of it

 

[Omar19992010]

Madara solos.

Limbo knocks down the Father-Son Duo and then the GM extracts the Bijuu from them leaving both of them dead or Minato still walking since he's Edo but he still gets hit with Black Rods then.

If GM is restricted then Madara then does the Same thing except he uses Mokuton instead of GM and Mokuton sucks them dry of Chakra which would put Kurama to sleep. Limbo would keep Knocking them down if they try getting back up.

 

[madvictory]

Just change your avatar and it will be alright for your debates

Pinky promise?

 

[Amaterasu]

Pinky promise?

Change it already :|

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara solos.

Limbo knocks down the Father-Son Duo and then the GM extracts the Bijuu from them leaving both of them dead or Minato still walking since he's Edo but he still gets hit with Black Rods then.

If GM is restricted then Madara then does the Same thing except he uses Mokuton instead of GM and Mokuton sucks them dry of Chakra which would put Kurama to sleep. Limbo would keep Knocking them down if they try getting back up.

Mokuryu failed to put down Kurama in canon literally every time it was used. Slapping them beforehand isn't going to inhibit their ability to escape, or destroy it.

 

[Gold Lightning]

It literally comes down to exhausting the BM avatars. Madara knocking them down repeatedly and trying to extract their tailed beasts isn't ever gonna work while Naruto and minato are chakra linked.

 

[KidGamer65]

Anyway, Madara wins.

1. There is no escape once caught by the Mazo's chains.

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2. Sure, they can evade them with Hiraishin...but teleporting 2 Bijuu sized objects to constantly evade chains coming at you is only going to waste Minato's chakra, since Madara can just keep on coming at them. If they try Bijuu Dama, Limbo slaps them, which diverts it's trajectory.

3. Madara can use Mokuton to shift the markings towards one spot, thus screwing them over if they try to teleport. If Madara goes straight to Limbo + Gedo Mazo at the start, it also screws them since there won't be markings around for them to jump to once the chains come out.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Did aanyone else forget that Obito is also in this matchup Lol

 

[madvictory]

Change it already :|

You didn't promise. Oh well, I guess you lied. Why are 90% of the people on the Internet liars!?!?!?

 

[~Ethereal~]

Did aanyone else forget that Obito is also in this matchup Lol

Seeing him get ignored makes me rofl. :leaf: