The Best Looking Family..

[Endles Waltz]

No fanfiction of chap.700+ nope.
Assumptions, well - that is what they are. Why not? It is a Discussion Forum no? Assumptions make up 99.9% of the threads on this site.



My opinions/comments are pure conjecture, a dash of devil's advocate and me writing it up at stupid-o'clock in the morning.
I stand by what I said about Shika/Tema - they are noting like Sasuke and Sakura. I doubt their relationships bare any significant similarities.



I don't need to portray it badly, the manga and anime does that perfectly fine for me. It's canon - their "relationship" was in a bad state pretty much throughout the series.
The only "light" side to come out of it, will be what comes after the 4th War/The Last.

Do I think well of their relationship? No. Not really. I don't think particuarly well of either character to begin with. Their personalities, their pasts, their canon actions/reactions, their relationship with each other and other people.

... because I'm a girl? Lol. Eh, not especially. You'll have to explain that a little more. I don't feel, as a woman, that manga characters have the potential or capacity to personally offend me, because of their gender.
If they did, I wouldn't like any female characters from Naruto... or most manga/anime... tv shows... movies.... etc.
I quite like Hinata, Mei, Temari, Kushina and Tsunade.

I've seen a girl say Sakura still loving Sasuke after everything is offensive to women, that's why I said that.

I think Kishi should have shown us more of their interaction after the 4th War/The Last, because like you said that's when the "light" side of their relationship takes place.

If you say so. I take issue with him doing a complete 180 in the space of a few panels but, whatever.
If he's redeemed, at peace with himself, happy and content - why isn't he around? Why does Salad remark on him not being around as much as Naruto is for Bolt?
Naruto, at least is Hokage.
Sasuke is... what? Wondering about still? That doesn't tell me he's happy.

Again, we only saw 1 page of him so we still can't say that he isn't around at all, what Sarada said implies that he is busy but he sees her every now and then, just like Naruto.

I think Kishi wants to imply that Sasuke is the one who protects the village from the shadows, the Yin to Naruto's Yang, together they maintain the balance of peace like Naruto said after their fight, he needs him to maintain peace and that's probably what Sasuke is doing.

He loves his family but like Naruto he sacrifices some of his time to make sure the village is safe.

Sure, sure. But until then we're allowed to have her own ideas about it, you have yours and I have mine. Kind of the point of having a Discussion forum, eh?

I completely agree we are allowed to have our own ideas and we are free to discuss.

However what you are doing is assuming the worst of a character who was shown to better himself and be redeemed by the end.

I have the freedom to think that Gaara is blood lusted at heart and he still occasionally murders innocents in cold blood to feed his craving, but that is not a fair assumption given what we have seen of Gaara as of late.

Everybody has the right of freedom of thought and speech, you can always find a negative assumption that allows you to believe the worst, or you can give the benefit of the doubt and believe in the best.

It is wise to assume the good and doubt the bad. =D

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I completely agree we are allowed to have our own ideas and we are free to discuss.

However what you are doing is assuming the worst of a character who was shown to better himself and be redeemed by the end.

I have the freedom to think that Gaara is blood lusted at heart and he still occasionally murders innocents in cold blood to feed his craving, but that is not a fair assumption given what we have seen of Gaara as of late.

Everybody has the right of freedom of thought and speech, you can always find a negative assumption that allows you to believe the worst, or you can give the benefit of the doubt and believe in the best.

It is wise to assume the good and doubt the bad. =D

This is not even a valid comparison. Gaara got a whole manga to show that he is redeemed while Sasuke only got a panel. They do not hold a similar traite of redemption. What this poster thinks is understandable because we never got to see this new change in Sasuke.

This Beatrix seems like someone who will never be able to find a boyfriend.

Right, I assume you are typing from experience? In that case I feel sorry for you.

 

[Endles Waltz]

This Beatrix seems like someone who will never be able to find a boyfriend..

There's no need for that, she is just expressing her opinion. Lol

Anyway, I see no reason why would Sasuke need to stay all the time by Sarada's side, even if he is her father.
Sarada call him papa, which means she probably likes him a lot as a dad.

On top of that, Sasuke traveling a lot is much cooler than being a Hokage, but then again, Kages became joke ever since the introduction of Akatsuki...

Not to mention, it's not in Sasuke's nature to care about things like who is Kage and their orders, although, for what is worth, I see Shikamaru being the one who is really in charge, and Naruto just being brawns and figurehead...

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Gaara apologized to Kankuro and Temari immediately after his fight with Naruto.

He made 180 turn just after TnJ.

And then when fought Kimimaro, which wasn't all that much after the chunin exams.

How does this change the fact that he got the whole manga to show he is redeemed? He actually became a Kazekage of his village. Which requires earning trust from the villagers.

 

[Endles Waltz]

This is not even a valid comparison. Gaara got a whole manga to show that he is redeemed while Sasuke only got a panel. They do not hold a similar traite of redemption. What this poster thinks is understandable because we never got to see this new change in Sasuke.

Just because Sasuke was redeemed at the end of the manga doesn't make it less credible.

Sasuke's redemption was held out till the end for suspense and plot purposes, yet what he displayed in the last few chapters shows him in a positive light.

Should Kishi have shown more of his new self? Yes, this we agree on, but he didn't because he wanted to end the manga quickly hold it to the very end.

Again, you can always find a negative assumption that allows you to believe the worst, or you can give the benefit of the doubt and believe in the best.

It is wise to assume the good and doubt the bad.

 

[Shruikan]

Is this still going on?Lol
SS fans really should give up now.There isnt anything 100% confirmed canon coming out for the ship and the movie is just Bolt and Sasuke which is gonna pile on the hate with Sasuke ignoring Salada.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Just because Sasuke was redeemed at the end of the manga doesn't make it less credible.

Sasuke's redemption was held out till the end for suspense and plot purposes, yet what he displayed in the last few chapters shows him in a positive light.

Should Kishi have shown more of his new self? Yes, this we agree on, but he didn't because he wanted to end the manga quickly hold it to the very end.

Again, you can always find a negative assumption that allows you to believe the worst, or you can give the benefit of the doubt and believe in the best.

It is wise to assume the good and doubt the bad.

Gaara showed his new self and Sasuke didn't. #MangaFact

Meaning anyone can think how ever they want of him till Kishi shows us otherwise. Yes Sasuke got redeemed, that is obvious. But to what extent did he get redeemed? No one knows that because Kishi never showed it. That is why it is natural for anyone to have mixed opinions about him. And I don't blame the poster of thinking of it negatively because of that.

 

[Shruikan]

Gaara showed his new self and Sasuke didn't. #MangaFact

Meaning anyone can think how ever they want of him till Kishi shows us otherwise..

So what do you think will Part 3 show?Another chidori to the heart?Lol But then again they may not even show him at all U_U

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

So what do you think will Part 3 show?Another chidori to the heart?Lol

Sure why not? Add a Susanoo in it to make it more scary. Sasuke could easily revive his wife multiple ways. Than do it again later so we haters get what we want. Because Sasuke is my friend not my enemy. He is a redeemed character.

 

[Shruikan]

Sure why not? Add a Susanoo in it to make it more scary. Sasuke could easily revive his wife multiple ways. Than do it again later so we haters get what we want. Because Sasuke is my friend not my enemy. He is a redeemed character.

Now thats what I would pay to see in canon .

But anyway you and I both know whats really gonna happen so ciao

 

[Guitar Hero]

If there will be part 3, Sasuke will most likely show his new self there, maybe save someone, or who knows...
It's not impossible that some of his journeys after chapter 699 will be shown as flashbacks.

The only part 3 we are getting is the SOL mini series about the next gen kids in the spring and the Bolt film. Thats it.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I don't think this is fair and logical though.

Of course we saw more of Gaara's new self because he was redeemed early on while Sasuke was redeemed just before the end.

So at this point those negative thoughts are more of hate and pessimism than objectivity.

It is fair and logical because some of us go by what we see in the manga and not by some random fanfiction someone else made up to feel good about themselves. Look dude this is not that complicating to understand. Sasuke has not shown us the context of his redemption yet. That is why it is a speculation at this point on how his behavior will be. The other poster is going by what they have seen in the manga, while you are going off one panel of his redeeming self. So just like you can think in a positive way, that poster can think in a negetive way. There is no right or wrong answer till Kishi shows us otherwise.

 

[Endles Waltz]

It is fair and logical because some of us go by what we see in the manga and not by some random fanfiction someone else made up to feel good about themselves. Look dude this is not that complicating to understand. Sasuke has not shown us the context of his redemption yet. That is why it is a speculation at this point on how his behavior will be. The other poster is going by what they have seen in the manga, while you are going off one panel of his redeeming self. So just like you can think in a positive way, that poster can think in a negetive way. There is no right or wrong answer till Kishi shows us otherwise.

No, I am going by what the manga is showing me and you and the other poster are clinging to the idea that Sasuke is still a bad person. This is not "fanfiction to make anyone feel better", what bullcrap, its just accepting the ending.



Don't change this around.

I already told you, Sasuke was redeemed at the very end, no more chapters to see, your "we have not seen the context of his redemption so its all speculation" is ridiculous, don't use the lack of content as an excuse to say Sasuke would still do this and that, he has been redeemed at the end, simple as that.

 

[Rekudakune]

holy shit how tall are they?

 

[Shruikan]

No, I am going by what the manga is showing me and you and the other poster are clinging to the idea that Sasuke is still a bad person.

Don't change this around.

I already told you, Sasuke was redeemed at the very end, no more chapters to see, your "we have not seen the context of his redemption so its all speculation" is ridiculous, don't use the lack of content as an excuse to say Sasuke would still do this and that, he has been redeemed at the end, simple as that.

I will put it you another way the way those guys are saying.You guys reached the destination but the journey was a complete hellhole and at times more cruel than the situation demanded and unless they see equivalent amount of good content they will continue to believe its a hellhole
With NH minus the movie,there was no journey at all.They just swooped into the destination in the blink of an eye

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

No, I am going by what the manga is showing me and you and the other poster are clinging to the idea that Sasuke is still a bad person. This is not "fanfiction to make anyone feel better", what bullcrap, its just accepting the ending.



Don't change this around.

I already told you, Sasuke was redeemed at the very end, no more chapters to see, your "we have not seen the context of his redemption so its all speculation" is ridiculous, don't use the lack of content as an excuse to say Sasuke would still do this and that, he has been redeemed at the end, simple as that.

I already told you that Sasuke was redeemed myself. But he has not shown how much he has been redeemed. I am sorry but unlike you I don't go off one word and pretend to know how he is without seeing any context. Like I said before it is not that complicating to understand. Sasuke was redeemed but to what extent no one knows? So not sure why are you stuck with that one word when we agree to it?

 

[Endles Waltz]

I will put it you another way the way those guys are saying.You guys reached the destination but the journey was a complete hellhole and at times more cruel than the situation demanded and unless they see equivalent amount of good content they will continue to believe its a hellhole
With NH minus the movie,there was no journey at all.They just swooped into the destination in the blink of an eye

Yea that logic is pretty ridiculous though as there is no way that's ever going to happen, the manga ended. =D

 

[Shruikan]

Yea that logic is pretty ridiculous though as there is no way that's ever going to happen, the manga ended. =D

Exactly.Lol

To put it simply,as we in the Anti SS say it took 700 chapters for Sasuke to poke Sakura.How many did it take to marry her? Lol

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

That Baruto movie will show it.

 

[Shruikan]

That Baruto movie will show it.

Afraid no prolly.Its just Bolt and Sasuke.And a recent post on NF is saying Sasuke is hardly going to be near his daughter which indirectly means Sakura too

The only SS is in the novel