The Jinton Gauntlet

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The example holds, the only difference are the strengths. The example just shows that things like Jinton can be blocked with a strong enough defense.

Well it's hard to judge, since we've never seen anything withstand jinton. And I personally can't imagine anything that can (except Preta oath of course, but that's different). Especially not the Hokage barrier, I'd imagine jinton would make a hole in the barrier, but the barrier would just reform after. But actually withstanding it, I don't think so.

defense with any ninja implement or ninjutsu is impossible
 

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Yata mirror is the only thing that survives. And GSB only due to it's size.
 

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V4 Susanoo Jinton plows through

V4 Susanoo with Yata Mirror Susanoo tanks

EMS Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo Susanoo tanks

Madara's Perfect Susanoo Susanoo tanks

Rinnegan Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo Susanoo tanks.

Rinnegan Sasuke's ISO Susanoo Susanoo tanks

Samehada's slash Jinton plows through.

Daikodan (Great White Shark Bullet) GSB absorbs it.

Third Raikage's skin (with Raiton armor activated) Jinton kills him.

Gaara's strongest sand shield Jinton plows through.

Five Rashomon gates Jinton plows through.

Five Seal Barrier (performed by the Hokage) Jinton creates a hole in the barrier.

BM Naruto's Kurama Avatar Avatar tanks.

RSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar Avatar tanks.
 

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Well it's hard to judge, since we've never seen anything withstand jinton. And I personally can't imagine anything that can (except Preta oath of course, but that's different). Especially not the Hokage barrier, I'd imagine jinton would make a hole in the barrier, but the barrier would just reform after. But actually withstanding it, I don't think so.

Not seeing anything block it=/=Nothing can block it.

defense with any ninja implement or ninjutsu is impossible

Totsuka is said to cut down any enemy. Using hyperbole as an argument isn't going to help your case.
 

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Not seeing anything block it=/=Nothing can block it.



Totsuka is said to cut down any enemy. Using hyperbole as an argument isn't going to help your case.
Totsuka can cut down any enemy. It's just a matter of if it hits the enemy or not.
 

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Lol, if only this even began to prove your point. Being able to kill Turtle Island=/=Being able to destroy everything.

So a turtle is more resistant than Sasuke's ISO Susanoo ? Interesting


You both apparently didn't read the post I made before that one. I don't believe it clears everything, just most. I was simply showing why this thing is hyped to high levels, and what the extent of its abilities are. Kidgarmer's point was "just because it can disintegrate, doesn't mean it doesn't have limits. I'm giving a perspective on what those limits would be.
 

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. Therefore any defense which is around that in durability, like EMS Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o and BM Naruto's avatar, should survive it as well. That means Rinnegan Sasuke's Susano'o variants survive, Naruto's Avatars survive, and Madara's Perfect Susano'o survives. Jinton should eradicate everything else besides the Five Seal Barrier and maybe Daikodan.
 

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. Therefore any defense which is around that in durability, like EMS Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o and BM Naruto's avatar, should survive it as well. That means Rinnegan Sasuke's Susano'o variants survive, Naruto's Avatars survive, and Madara's Perfect Susano'o survives. Jinton should eradicate everything else besides the Five Seal Barrier and maybe Daikodan.

Jinton never touched that Susanoo.

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Thats as far as that Jinton got.
 
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Jinton never touched that Susanoo.

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Thats as far as that Jinton got.


Not arguing with your argument, but it was always a little off to me how Oonoki de activated his giant Jinton..

Why didn't he just rammed on the Susanoo?
 

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Not arguing with your argument, but it was always a little off to me how Oonoki de activated his giant Jinton..

Why didn't he just rammed on the Susanoo?

How am I suppose to answer this? I'm not Kishi. I'm just working with what hes given us and that is that he didn't make Jinton touch PS.
 

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Totsuka can cut down any enemy. It's just a matter of if it hits the enemy or not.

So Totsuka can cut down the Juubi?

So Yata can repel every attack?

You have to agree with all hyperbolic statements if you want to say that Jinton can disintegrate anything based on hyperbole.

You both apparently didn't read the post I made before that one. I don't believe it clears everything, just most. I was simply showing why this thing is hyped to high levels, and what the extent of its abilities are. Kidgarmer's point was "just because it can disintegrate, doesn't mean it doesn't have limits. I'm giving a perspective on what those limits would be.

Um, I read the post you made before it, and I see no basis for your reasoning. Why do you think anything Rikudo related tanks Jinton? Why do you think it atomizes defenses far far more durable than anything it's ever destroyed before even with a buff from Tsunade?
 

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The example holds, the only difference are the strengths. The example just shows that things like Jinton can be blocked with a strong enough defense.

First off, Sasuke Susanoo didnt "Block it", it clearly made a , and that was when he was mindless and not in control of the Truth seeker balls to use all of its powers.
Fact 1: Hiruzen recover from getting his upper halve blown smooth off
Fact 2: after the transformation he was able to erase anything.
Fact 3: Sasuke used a skeletal version
Fact 4: Madara had 25 V3/4 Susanoos which by fact are>>>>Skeletal.

Fact 4 literally debunks your notion that Skeletal tanked so higher levels should be able to etc etc. Susanoo is all about Layers of chakra to make each stage stronger correct? Yet Jinton instantly vaporized V4 susanoo in Zero seconds. Lets assume PS went against it (since this is what is all about), What makes PS so much better then the other defenses? Besides Hype and Tip riding at the end of the day it is nothing but Layers of the Users Chakra. And No form of chakra out side of Rikudo/Juubi Chakra should be able to tabk and completely negate Jinton based on manga and Databook facts. If Jinton (depending on the size and shape) hits, it should instantly be able to vaporize no diff. Madara when he was hit with the kages combo attack could have easily Transformed his Susanoo inside of Jinton's range but instead oppet out to summon/use susanoo literally out side the range of Jinton. So we have the fact and feats of jinton and a User of Susanoo with a shit load of chakra more then sasuke (asura/indra) knowing not to touch it what so ever when he used his PS.

We can choose what to believe all we want, but don't be a Hypocrite and choose what to believe just because of one hype over the other you don't like.
 

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First off, Sasuke Susanoo didnt "Block it", it clearly made a , and that was when he was mindless and not in control of the Truth seeker balls to use all of its powers.
He blocked it. Him taking damage doesn't change the fact that he blocked it. It's been equated to Jinton, and if it worked like you guys claimed it did, then it would have torn through his Susanoo with zero difficulty instead of being stopped. The rest is irrelevant as that won't change it's workings.

Fact 1: Hiruzen recover from getting his upper halve blown smooth off
Uh-huh.

Fact 2: after the transformation he was able to erase anything.
Because all he used the Gudo Dama against were non durable Ninjutsu and Edo Bodies. He never made contact with any durable construct such as Susanoo ever again.

Fact 3: Sasuke used a skeletal version
Not relevant, but ok.

Fact 4: Madara had 25 V3/4 Susanoos which by fact are>>>>Skeletal.

Not relevant for reasons already explained. All this shows is that something stronger is needed to tank Super Jinton, not that Jinton can't be blocked.

Not to mention that was Tsunade buffed Jinton, not a regular one.

Fact 4 literally debunks your notion that Skeletal tanked so higher levels should be able to etc etc. Susanoo is all about Layers of chakra to make each stage stronger correct?
Correct, but irrelevant. Fact 4 doesn't even begin to debunk anything. Fact 4 shows that a Super Jinton is strong enough to completely vaporize 25 Complete Susanoo, not that it can vaporize anything.

Yet Jinton instantly vaporized V4 susanoo in Zero seconds. Lets assume PS went against it (since this is what is all about), What makes PS so much better then the other defenses? Besides Hype and Tip riding at the end of the day it is nothing but Layers of the Users Chakra. And No form of chakra out side of Rikudo/Juubi Chakra should be able to tabk and completely negate Jinton based on manga and Databook facts.
Your argument doesn't even begin to make sense. You are basically claiming that since it can destroy a weaker defense, it can destroy a stronger one. Obviously not how it works. PS being more layers of the user's chakra doesn't change the fact that PS is far above that of a Complete Susanoo, so vaporizing a Complete Susanoo doesn't mean he can vaporize a PS, unless somebody has some kind valid evidence to the contrary.

No Manga or Databook fact supports Jinton being able to destroy everything non Rikudo based. Why don't you or anyone else explain to me why exactly Rikudo Chakra empowered things can block Jinton, huh?

If Jinton (depending on the size and shape) hits, it should instantly be able to vaporize no diff.
Absolutely not. Definitely not based on your argument.

Madara when he was hit with the kages combo attack could have easily Transformed his Susanoo inside of Jinton's range but instead oppet out to summon/use susanoo literally out side the range of Jinton. So we have the fact and feats of jinton and a User of Susanoo with a shit load of chakra more then sasuke (asura/indra) knowing not to touch it what so ever when he used his PS.
Madara jumped out at that moment because he was about to get vaporized at that moment. He didn't have Susanoo on, he stood there thinking that he would be able to absorb it, but failed because his clones had Susanoo active, so he took damage and escaped the cube.

Even then, Madara choosing not to take the enemies attack isn't proof that he can't take the enemies attack.

We can choose what to believe all we want, but don't be a Hypocrite and choose what to believe just because of one hype over the other you don't like.

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about given this statement.
 

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How am I suppose to answer this? I'm not Kishi. I'm just working with what hes given us and that is that he didn't make Jinton touch PS.

Relax dude... XD
Im not using it as an argument...
Im more talking to myself than anything really...
It just seems like such a plot hole...
 

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Relax dude... XD
Im not using it as an argument...
Im more talking to myself than anything really...
It just seems like such a plot hole...

Its more like PIS. Its like asking why didn't Obito just take Naruto when he was napping in the hotel.
 

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He blocked it. Him taking damage doesn't change the fact that he blocked it. It's been equated to Jinton, and if it worked like you guys claimed it did, then it would have torn through his Susanoo with zero difficulty instead of being stopped. The rest is irrelevant as that won't change it's workings.

How did he block it when Mindless obito stopped the attack from going further? A block would be the Def still intact, he merely stopped its progress and obito also stopped it and made it go back to him.



Ofcourse you'd ignore and act as if it didn't happen.


Because all he used the Gudo Dama against were non durable Ninjutsu and Edo Bodies. He never made contact with any durable construct such as Susanoo ever again.

Irrelevant! lmmfao hahahahahaha Did it not stop the Juubi's powered TBB times 4? are we really going to act as if it negating attacks that made PS instantly vaporize happen?
Fact: TSB tanked/survived/negated/lived/outDid 4 Giant TBB, yet PS and SM Wood golem were disintegrated.

You sound ridiculous trying to prove TSB cannot destroy PS. lmmfao hahahahah

Not relevant, but ok.

Your trend is; If you have been proven wrong or the other person has a point you always say "Not relevent", yet you always bring "not relevent" post and expect ppl to include it. l'm dying over here!!! This Cat here!



Not relevant for reasons already explained. All this shows is that something stronger is needed to tank Super Jinton, not that Jinton can't be blocked.


You literally proved nothing! And My Post still stands based on manga and databook facts! Jinton is jinton, ther is no such thing as "Super jinton". lmmfao hahahahhahahaha It is literally the same power, only thing that changes is it's Size and/or shape!


Not to mention that was Tsunade buffed Jinton, not a regular one.

She gave him chakra because he was low, not she made him have some new god chakra. lmmfao All Tsunade does is give chakra, she doesn't change the property of the Jutsu/move. Just Like Sakura gave Obito more chakra to use Kamui, sakura never made his Kamui "Super Kamui" and make him able to do something he was already capable of.


Correct, but irrelevant. Fact 4 doesn't even begin to debunk anything. Fact 4 shows that a Super Jinton is strong enough to completely vaporize 25 Complete Susanoo, not that it can vaporize anything.

I never said it could vaporize "anything", TSB>Jinton and Sage/Juubi chakra things ofc. Anything not in those categories are ashes! And yes that means EMS PS and things of that level.


Your argument doesn't even begin to make sense. You are basically claiming that since it can destroy a weaker defense, it can destroy a stronger one. Obviously not how it works. PS being more layers of the user's chakra doesn't change the fact that PS is far above that of a Complete Susanoo, so vaporizing a Complete Susanoo doesn't mean he can vaporize a PS, unless somebody has some kind valid evidence to the contrary.

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Databook 4: Jinton

Wind, Earth, Fire, combinging three natures for a moment is a "kekkai touta" ninjutsu. With both hands a large amount of chakra is charged and it's form is changed into a cube, cone, cylinder, various three dimensional objects (so it can be more than the ones we saw), and than it's released. Onoki, Mu's disciple, inherited Jinton. If it touches the target they are disintegrated at the molecular-level, defense with any ninja implement or ninjutsu is impossible. A certain death hit.

Enemy or ally, a touch results in disintegration, and so on, rest seems like the same.

You don't get the point of the post; Susanoo is layers, Those susanoo had about 4 layers, all 4 layers where instantly gone in zero time, PS is about 2/3 layers higher, it will take some time but they all (the layers) will meet the same faith! PS chakra is not a super chakra that changes magically, it is simply more chakra and more layers. And it is proven that PS (aka regular ninja chakra) is not strong enough to negate Jinton attacks (no matter how many layers or how long it takes to eventually breach.




No Manga or Databook fact supports Jinton being able to destroy everything non Rikudo based. Why don't you or anyone else explain to me why exactly Rikudo Chakra empowered things can block Jinton, huh?

Look TSB>>>Jinton (juubiRikudo powers correct?).

Absolutely not. Definitely not based on your argument.

SO what hasn't jinton vaporized? I'll play your contradictory way of posting; Post a scan stating PS can block Jinton? I'll wait.. lmao


Madara jumped out at that moment because he was about to get vaporized at that moment. He didn't have Susanoo on, he stood there thinking that he would be able to absorb it, but failed because his clones had Susanoo active, so he took damage and escaped the cube.

He used Suanoo fact! He avoided It when he could have simply and would have been easier to use it in the middle of the attack, fact! (common sense, why move if i know i can do something with out moving from a certain spot?)

Even then, Madara choosing not to take the enemies attack isn't proof that he can't take the enemies attack.

Example based on manga facts! Madara decided to tank every attack that his body (aye), or his Susanoo levels (Lava,Tsunade, Rasengan, water etc etc) could tank. Yet when it came to Jinton in particular he chose to Absorb or avoid every single time no disputing! Literally with every susanoo level, he for a fact no disputing absorbed or avoided.

You will ignor manga facts as usual and make to most stupid excuses. But these are manga facts!



As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about given this statement.

And as usual you choose what to believe with no proof or another. lmmfao Joke at it's best!
 

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How did he block it when Mindless obito stopped the attack from going further? A block would be the Def still intact, he merely stopped its progress and obito also stopped it and made it go back to him.

It's sad how people try and twist the manga nowadays. Slap yourself for this blatant lie. Naruto was behind Sasuke, and was the original target of Juubito's attack, meaning Juubito didn't do shit to stop his attack from going further, it didn't go further because it couldn't.




Ofcourse you'd ignore and act as if it didn't happen.

Uh-huh=Yes. Lol, so what in the world are you talking about?


Irrelevant! lmmfao hahahahahaha Did it not stop the Juubi's powered TBB times 4? are we really going to act as if it negating attacks that made PS instantly vaporize happen?
What the hell are you talking about? No one is referring to the Gudo Dama's defensive capability here, so the only post that's irrelevant is yours.

Fact: TSB tanked/survived/negated/lived/outDid 4 Giant TBB, yet PS and SM Wood golem were disintegrated.

You sound ridiculous trying to prove TSB cannot destroy PS. lmmfao hahahahah
Fact: Gudo Dama negated 4 Bijuu Dama because no Ninjutsu can get past it.

Fact: Defensive power is NOT offensive power.

Fact: I stated that a singular Gudo Dama attack was blocked by Sasuke's Susanoo.

Fact: Manga agrees with the above.

I don't know why you are trying to prove that Gudo Dama can destroy PS based on some stupid shit like it's defensive power, especially when it only tanked that Quad Bijuu Dama because it can negate Ninjutsu, not because it's some extremely tough defense.


Your trend is; If you have been proven wrong or the other person has a point you always say "Not relevent", yet you always bring "not relevent" post and expect ppl to include it. l'm dying over here!!! This Cat here!
Bruh, can we stop with these weak ass posts? Lol. This is actually pretty disappointing.




You literally proved nothing! And My Post still stands based on manga and databook facts! Jinton is jinton, ther is no such thing as "Super jinton". lmmfao hahahahhahahaha It is literally the same power, only thing that changes is it's Size and/or shape!

She gave him chakra because he was low, not she made him have some new god chakra. lmmfao All Tsunade does is give chakra, she doesn't change the property of the Jutsu/move. Just Like Sakura gave Obito more chakra to use Kamui, sakura never made his Kamui "Super Kamui" and make him able to do something he was already capable of.

Doesn't change my point. Having enough power to vaporize V3 Susanoo doesn't mean it can take out things far stronger.

I never said it could vaporize "anything", TSB>Jinton and Sage/Juubi chakra things ofc. Anything not in those categories are ashes! And yes that means EMS PS and things of that level.
And I'm still waiting for you to provide legit reasoning to prove your claims. Hurr durr "It's Jinton!" isn't an argument.





You don't get the point of the post; Susanoo is layers, Those susanoo had about 4 layers, all 4 layers where instantly gone in zero time, PS is about 2/3 layers higher, it will take some time but they all (the layers) will meet the same faith! PS chakra is not a super chakra that changes magically, it is simply more chakra and more layers. And it is proven that PS (aka regular ninja chakra) is not strong enough to negate Jinton attacks (no matter how many layers or how long it takes to eventually breach.
Shitty ass logic. This boils down to one retarded statement "Because it destroyed something weaker, it can destroy something stronger". Lol. Can we start using logic please? Or at least valid logic, cause if I used this trash logic, I'd be saying that Tsunade's punches would eventually break through PS because it did major damage to a Ribcage, or better yet, Hirudora will destroy PS because it destroyed a V3, and a PS is only "2/3 layers higher"

Can we stop with the Jinton wank?




Look TSB>>>Jinton (juubiRikudo powers correct?).
In only some aspects. A single spear like Gudo Dama attack obviously isn't stronger than any Jinton we've seen as it failed to go through Sasuke's Ribcage's hand, and Jinton vaporizes V3 Susanoo.


SO what hasn't jinton vaporized? I'll play your contradictory way of posting; Post a scan stating PS can block Jinton? I'll wait.. lmao

Don't need to. There's literally no evidence it can. Don't need to prove something wrong that doesn't even have positive evidence.



He used Suanoo fact! He avoided It when he could have simply and would have been easier to use it in the middle of the attack, fact! (common sense, why move if i know i can do something with out moving from a certain spot?)
Jinton would've vaporized him completely had he used his giant V4, which then had to be stabilized to PS. Not to mention Madara didn't ever go full power until they proved that they were worthy of said title by backing him into a corner. He wasn't backed into a corner until they were about to seal him away, that's when he called his full power.

So once again, you have no point. Just nonsense. Your argument boils down to "


Example based on manga facts! Madara decided to tank every attack that his body (aye), or his Susanoo levels (Lava,Tsunade, Rasengan, water etc etc) could tank. Yet when it came to Jinton in particular he chose to Absorb or avoid every single time no disputing! Literally with every susanoo level, he for a fact no disputing absorbed or avoided.

Because every time his Susanoo was active, it was a level lower than what is needed to take Jinton, hence him deciding to absorb it instead of taking it. PS doesn't prove your point since Jinton was used before PS was used.

You will ignor manga facts as usual and make to most stupid excuses. But these are manga facts!

As usual you don't have Manga facts. You just have long posts with zero content. What a joke indeed.
 

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The idea that Jinton can go through anything is one of the dumbest things that has infested this fandom.

Jinton can only destroy something at a molecular level if its bonds aren't strong enough to withstand the technique. To destroy something entails the destruction of bonds.

EMS Sasuke's Susanoo was able to partially withstand Onmyoudon which is even more potent than Jinton. It should also be considered that EMS Madara took two Jinton users on simultaneously and wasn't even scratched.

When looking at the 20 Susanoo example, many forget that the strength of those Susanoo were highly divided seeing as the clones only have a small portion of the strength of the undivided original (even as edo tensei). This was also seen when Gaara withstood multiple hits from those Susanoo, but one Susanoo was able to rip through Gaara + Shukaku's ultimate sealing pyramid.

Rinnegan Sasuke's Susanoo isn't getting scratched by Jinton.
 
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Jinton clears it literally vaporized anything it touchs
 
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