[Discussion] Pica Army vs Diamante Army vs Trebol Army

Which team?

  • Pica Army

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  • Diamanté Army

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • Trebol Army

    Votes: 1 6.3%

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Pink is faster than Pica, seriously as much as you tried to tell me to re-read, I suggest it back to you, Pink swims through the ground fast.

Also I'll leave this here though you'll probably ignore it

This fruit does not seem to have any specific weaknesses, aside from the standard Devil Fruit weaknesses.

One weakness of the fruit is that the user needs to be merged with the stone to control it, as seen when Pica's real body emerges from the stone giant, the giant stopped moving. Because this power is not Logia, the user's body does not transform into stone, but instead resides within it, and that portion is as vulnerable as any normal person.[3] Indeed, Pica had to shift his conscious human part away to avoid Roronoa Zoro's slash.[5] The user is also vulnerable against the standard Devil Fruit weaknesses.

Diamante can use his power whenever and wherever. Everytime Diamante used his power on Pica's rock, Pica would have to make a new layer of rock until Diamante could flutter every inch.
No proof that Pink is faster than Pica. Pica countering Diamante's Army Bantera attack isn't a weakness of the fruit.
 

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No proof that Pink is faster than Pica. Pica countering Diamante's Army Bantera attack isn't a weakness of the fruit.
The converse can be said about your claim that there's no proof Pica is faster than Pink. If you look at the chapter you can see how quickly Pink covers the ground to grab Luffy, then you can look at how far Pica got away from Zoro. Pink traversed a larger portion and we can't really tell time since it's still pictures but he caught Luffy off guard who has great reaction time.

"Pica countering Diamante's Army Bantera attack isn't a weakness of the fruit"
Is this a question or a statement? He hasn't countered it and he's shown no ability to counter it. He can make stone walls, but once Diamante touches it, it's under his fruits control and flutters. That's his fruits power anything he touches becomes like a flag and only he can re-solidify it.

Since you're so reliant on Pica being a super stone giant that he's only shown to be able to use in certain locations, do explain what would happen to him if half fighting fish Dellinger was able to get him into the water? Game over, Diamante's team has non DF users Pica's doesn't Lao G and Dellinger could just work to get Baby 5 and Buffalo into the water then everybody except Pink focus on Gladius(Pink because he could continually swim away and avoid Pica) then they all team up on Pica.
 
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The converse can be said about your claim that there's no proof Pica is faster than Pink. If you look at the chapter you can see how quickly Pink covers the ground to grab Luffy, then you can look at how far Pica got away from Zoro. Pink traversed a larger portion and we can't really tell time since it's still pictures but he caught Luffy off guard who has great reaction time.

"Pica countering Diamante's Army Bantera attack isn't a weakness of the fruit"
Is this a question or a statement? He hasn't countered it and he's shown no ability to counter it. He can make stone walls, but once Diamante touches it, it's under his fruits control and flutters. That's his fruits power anything he touches becomes like a flag and only he can re-solidify it.

Since you're so reliant on Pica being a super stone giant that he's only shown to be able to use in certain locations, do explain what would happen to him if half fighting fish Dellinger was able to get him into the water? Game over, Diamante's team has non DF users Pica's doesn't Lao G and Dellinger could just work to get Baby 5 and Buffalo into the water then everybody except Pink focus on Gladius(Pink because he could continually swim away and avoid Pica) then they all team up on Pica.
Except that Pica controls stone, so he can make it stop fluttering. Your last paragraph makes no sense. First, is the Pica Army just going to stand there and let themselves be dragged in water? Second, where does this water come from?
 

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Lmao, people actually think Diamante and Punk can make a difference?Lol

Only problem for Pica is Trebol. He's a logia and Pica didn't displayed any signs of COA. Even if we assume that he has avg level haki for the sake of argument, it can't help him as even someone like Law failed to damage this guy.
 

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Except that Pica controls stone, so he can make it stop fluttering. Your last paragraph makes no sense. First, is the Pica Army just going to stand there and let themselves be dragged in water? Second, where does this water come from?
Where does the water come from? They're on a bloody island. Why would they let themselves be dragged into water knowing they'll drown are you intentionally being stupid? Dellinger would wreck Buffalo and toss him in the water and Lao G would wreck Baby 5. Pica would be fighting Diamante and Gladius would be fighting Machvise and Senor Pink distracting both of them from saving 5 or Buffalo. It's not rocket science, kid.

Pica controls stone, and Diamante's fruit makes anything he touches become under his control and he can manipulate it how he wants, rigid or fluttery. Pica couldn't make it stop fluttering by definition of the Hira Hira no Mi. It also makes things light as a flag so it would make the stone light enough to move. Once Diamante touches something it is like a flag until he uses Lock, Pica's fruit wouldn't override Diamante's fruit, Pica would have to create a new layer of rock. An object touched by Diamante using his DF won't revert back to normal until he uses Hira Release. So do show with some reasoning or evidence other than your opinion on how Pica could reverse Diamante's DF with his own. Remember Hira Hira lets ANYTHING he touches be like a flag under his control until he uses Hira Release.
 

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Pica army wins.

-Pica becomes a golem while Baby 5(and maybe Gladius) fly ontop of Buffalo.

-Gladius' ability is making any surface explode even his own body. Cavendish, a close range fighter, couldn't get close to Gladius and was almost killed by his Punk Fest. Senor, Vise, Dellinger or G can get close to Gladius without the possibility of being blown up and giant Pica is there as well. Even if Diamante makes the ground flutter, Gladius can still make it explode as its still a surface.
 
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Where does the water come from? They're on a bloody island. Why would they let themselves be dragged into water knowing they'll drown are you intentionally being stupid? Dellinger would wreck Buffalo and toss him in the water and Lao G would wreck Baby 5. Pica would be fighting Diamante and Gladius would be fighting Machvise and Senor Pink distracting both of them from saving 5 or Buffalo. It's not rocket science, kid.

Pica controls stone, and Diamante's fruit makes anything he touches become under his control and he can manipulate it how he wants, rigid or fluttery. Pica couldn't make it stop fluttering by definition of the Hira Hira no Mi. It also makes things light as a flag so it would make the stone light enough to move. Once Diamante touches something it is like a flag until he uses Lock, Pica's fruit wouldn't override Diamante's fruit, Pica would have to create a new layer of rock. An object touched by Diamante using his DF won't revert back to normal until he uses Hira Release. So do show with some reasoning or evidence other than your opinion on how Pica could reverse Diamante's DF with his own. Remember Hira Hira lets ANYTHING he touches be like a flag under his control until he uses Hira Release.
So is the Pica Army just going to stand still and let the Diamanté Army drag them all the way to the coast? Your scenario is stupid. Buffalo and Baby 5 can fly into the sky and launch attacks from up there, making it much harder for Dellinger and Lao G. Gladius is just a bad match up for Machvise and Pink and he beats them both. Machvise is slow and has crap durability, Gladius can just dodge him and finish him with Landmine Punc. Señor Pink has good endurance, but bad offense. Suplex won't do much to Gladius and he can just use Blackium on Pink whenever he tries to grab him. Baby Buster is useless since Pica can just manipulate the ground to minimalize damage done to Gladius by the attack. If Gladius gets into a sticky situation, he can just use Fashion Punk to kill Machvise and seriously damage/kill Pink. Pica can handle Diamanté and then help the others when he's done.
 

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So is the Pica Army just going to stand still and let the Diamanté Army drag them all the way to the coast? Your scenario is stupid. Buffalo and Baby 5 can fly into the sky and launch attacks from up there, making it much harder for Dellinger and Lao G. Gladius is just a bad match up for Machvise and Pink and he beats them both. Machvise is slow and has crap durability, Gladius can just dodge him and finish him with Landmine Punc. Señor Pink has good endurance, but bad offense. Suplex won't do much to Gladius and he can just use Blackium on Pink whenever he tries to grab him. Baby Buster is useless since Pica can just manipulate the ground to minimalize damage done to Gladius by the attack. If Gladius gets into a sticky situation, he can just use Fashion Punk to kill Machvise and seriously damage/kill Pink. Pica can handle Diamanté and then help the others when he's done.
Pica cannot handle Diamante because he would turn him into a giant flag.
 

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Pica cannot handle Diamante because he would turn him into a giant flag.
I've already tried explaining that to him and he won't get off his Pica reverts back to stiff stone argument, despite being shown Diamante's fruit would hold precedent over Pica's.

So is the Pica Army just going to stand still and let the Diamanté Army drag them all the way to the coast? Your scenario is stupid. Buffalo and Baby 5 can fly into the sky and launch attacks from up there, making it much harder for Dellinger and Lao G. Gladius is just a bad match up for Machvise and Pink and he beats them both. Machvise is slow and has crap durability, Gladius can just dodge him and finish him with Landmine Punc. Señor Pink has good endurance, but bad offense. Suplex won't do much to Gladius and he can just use Blackium on Pink whenever he tries to grab him. Baby Buster is useless since Pica can just manipulate the ground to minimalize damage done to Gladius by the attack. If Gladius gets into a sticky situation, he can just use Fashion Punk to kill Machvise and seriously damage/kill Pink. Pica can handle Diamanté and then help the others when he's done.
It's an island they could be close to the coast at any given point in the battle, you're trying to act like they're in an isolated mountain range just so you can try and give your opinion a chance. First off they can't just fly away easy like that, look how strong Dellingers legs were portrayed, so we can determine he can jump high, and Vise can jump high as well, Lao G can throw a team mate up in the air as well with his crazy gorilla mode. Second this is a fight right? There isntant reation isn't going to be to run away it's going to be to try and fight, Dellinger KO's Buffalo almost instantly, he has no durability and no real offense all he's good for is a combo with 5.

We've been over this Vise has greater durability than Gladius, Gladius' only big durability claim is being hit by Luffy's Jet Stamp, but we all know Hajrudin's punch packed more impact than Luffy's Jet Stamp. Luffy's Jet Stamp can't push back 10,000 ton so Vise is still taking the bigger hit. Gladius was KO'ed by Bartolomew, who is an awesome character but he hasn't shown any super crazy strength feats. Gladius definitely can't beat both especially at the same time as your phrasing implies, Vise jumps up and attacks Gladius dodges but Pink was waiting and pulls Gladius into the ground down to his knees trapping him all the while Vise is jumping again. Vise falls at 10,000 ton before Gladius' Punk Rock Fest detonates(it's not as instantaneous as you're trying to make it seem)
 

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I've already tried explaining that to him and he won't get off his Pica reverts back to stiff stone argument, despite being shown Diamante's fruit would hold precedent over Pica's.



It's an island they could be close to the coast at any given point in the battle, you're trying to act like they're in an isolated mountain range just so you can try and give your opinion a chance. First off they can't just fly away easy like that, look how strong Dellingers legs were portrayed, so we can determine he can jump high, and Vise can jump high as well, Lao G can throw a team mate up in the air as well with his crazy gorilla mode. Second this is a fight right? There isntant reation isn't going to be to run away it's going to be to try and fight, Dellinger KO's Buffalo almost instantly, he has no durability and no real offense all he's good for is a combo with 5.

We've been over this Vise has greater durability than Gladius, Gladius' only big durability claim is being hit by Luffy's Jet Stamp, but we all know Hajrudin's punch packed more impact than Luffy's Jet Stamp. Luffy's Jet Stamp can't push back 10,000 ton so Vise is still taking the bigger hit. Gladius was KO'ed by Bartolomew, who is an awesome character but he hasn't shown any super crazy strength feats. Gladius definitely can't beat both especially at the same time as your phrasing implies, Vise jumps up and attacks Gladius dodges but Pink was waiting and pulls Gladius into the ground down to his knees trapping him all the while Vise is jumping again. Vise falls at 10,000 ton before Gladius' Punk Rock Fest detonates(it's not as instantaneous as you're trying to make it seem)
You're acting like Dressrosa is a small island. They aren't going to get close to the coast since they are fighting at the center of the island. Baby 5 and Buffalo aren't idiots, they would know that flying would give them the obvious advantage. Buffalo isn't just going to float there, if they jump up at him, he should have more than enough time to dodge. Machvise's durability is crap, stop acting like it's amazing. Gladius tanked Jet Stamp with no problem. Let me remind you that PRE TS Luffy had enough strength to lift a golden ball that weighed a few hundred tons, and Post-TS Luffy has enough strength to casually one shot an opponent that took his entire Pre-TS crew to defeat. Meanwhile, when Machvise tried to use 10 Ton Vise on Franky, who dodged it, Machvise's belly hurt so bad that he couldn't get up to help Pink. How the heck is getting K.O.ed by an attack a durability feat? FYI, Bari Bari Pistol is just as strong as Gungir, if not stronger. If Pink grabs Gladius and lets Machvise try to tackle him with 10,000 Ton Vise of Hell, Gladius can just use Fashion Punk. Gladius would detonate when Machvise touches him, thus evading the pain of being crushed by 10,000 Ton Vise of Hell. Machvise would get killed by the explosion, and Pink would be seriously damaged and paralyzed a few minutes later. Gladius can beat both of them at the same time.
 

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You're acting like Dressrosa is a small island. They aren't going to get close to the coast since they are fighting at the center of the island. Baby 5 and Buffalo aren't idiots, they would know that flying would give them the obvious advantage. Buffalo isn't just going to float there, if they jump up at him, he should have more than enough time to dodge. Machvise's durability is crap, stop acting like it's amazing. Gladius tanked Jet Stamp with no problem. Let me remind you that PRE TS Luffy had enough strength to lift a golden ball that weighed a few hundred tons, and Post-TS Luffy has enough strength to casually one shot an opponent that took his entire Pre-TS crew to defeat. Meanwhile, when Machvise tried to use 10 Ton Vise on Franky, who dodged it, Machvise's belly hurt so bad that he couldn't get up to help Pink. How the heck is getting K.O.ed by an attack a durability feat? FYI, Bari Bari Pistol is just as strong as Gungir, if not stronger. If Pink grabs Gladius and lets Machvise try to tackle him with 10,000 Ton Vise of Hell, Gladius can just use Fashion Punk. Gladius would detonate when Machvise touches him, thus evading the pain of being crushed by 10,000 Ton Vise of Hell. Machvise would get killed by the explosion, and Pink would be seriously damaged and paralyzed a few minutes later. Gladius can beat both of them at the same time.
You're acting like this fight has no chance of coming across the water when we've seen fights going across the whole island and if Buffalo starts flying like you'd have him do there's definitely a chance it'd get close enough to water that someone could be hit a fly into it. Buffalo won't be thinking "Oh they're gonna try and drown me"

I never he said he had super durability just better than Gladius which the manga has shown us he does. His body survived hitting Bird Cage. He survived a Giants punch. All you have against him is his belly gets hurt from being dropped from high up at tons and tons to thousands of tons, ok. And Gladius getting hit by Jet Stamp, which he by no means tanked, Stamp had him laying on the floor hurt, it didn't knock him out but it took him down.

Bari Bari Pistol isn't close to as strong as a finger jab from a giant, you're just making things up as you go along. Gladius clearly can't handle two opponents at once and he couldn't handle Pink and Vise, you're clearly ****in delusional so have a nice day.
 

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You're acting like this fight has no chance of coming across the water when we've seen fights going across the whole island and if Buffalo starts flying like you'd have him do there's definitely a chance it'd get close enough to water that someone could be hit a fly into it. Buffalo won't be thinking "Oh they're gonna try and drown me" .
They're fighting near the center of the island, why the hell would they need to move that far away from the battlefield? Dellinger cannot jump up into the sky like you suggested earlier, and even if he somehow could, Buffalo can easily dodge it. Buffalo withstood General Cannon and a thunder attack from Nami and still didn't fall into the water. What makes you believe one measly kick from Dellinger, who would only hit him by a miracle, would be enough to knock out Buffalo long enough for him to fall into the water?

I never he said he had super durability just better than Gladius which the manga has shown us he does. His body survived hitting Bird Cage. He survived a Giants punch. All you have against him is his belly gets hurt from being dropped from high up at tons and tons to thousands of tons, ok. And Gladius getting hit by Jet Stamp, which he by no means tanked, Stamp had him laying on the floor hurt, it didn't knock him out but it took him down. Bari Bari Pistol isn't close to as strong as a finger jab from a giant, you're just making things up as you go along. Gladius clearly can't handle two opponents at once and he couldn't handle Pink and Vise, you're clearly ****in delusional so have a nice day.
1.Machvise never hit the Birdcage.
2. So? You act like Hajrudin being a giant automatically makes his attacks stronger than Bartolomeo's.
3. He fell from like 5 feet and couldn't get back up because his belly hurt, and he was only using 10 Tons. That's some boss endurance right there.
4. Gladius did tank the attack. He wasn't laying on the floor hurt, he got it by the attack and shrugged it off two seconds later.
5. Hajrudin got knocked out by one Jet Pistol from Luffy. But you're right, Bartolomeo is weaker than a guy who gets casually one shotted by Luffy. Bari Bari Pistol>Gungir by feats.
6. I wouldn't be calling people delusional when you yourself have been going around claiming that "Machvise>Gladius" and "Hajrudin>Bartolomeo/Cavendish". Gladius easily beats Machvise and Bartolomeo/Cavendish easily beat Hajrudin. Go reread the arc if you honestly believe Machvise can beat Gladius and Hajrudin can beat Bartolomeo/Cavendish.
7. Machvise is slow and has crap endurance. Gladius can just dodge his attack and finish him off with Landmine Punc. If Pink grabs Gladius so Machvise can hit Gladius, Gladius can just activate Fashion Punk. 10,000 Ton Vise of Hell kills the hurts by crushing them, but since Gladius would detonate the moment Machvise touches him, Gladius would blow up, kill Machvise, seriously injure Pink, and take no damage himself since he wasn't crushed. He can then just janitor the injured Pink.
 
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I've already tried explaining that to him and he won't get off his Pica reverts back to stiff stone argument, despite being shown Diamante's fruit would hold precedent over Pica's.

If he's capable of turning mountain sized golem into a flag in an instant then I don't get what stopped him from turning Kyros sward into a flag and escape.
 

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They're fighting near the center of the island, why the hell would they need to move that far away from the battlefield? Dellinger cannot jump up into the sky like you suggested earlier, and even if he somehow could, Buffalo can easily dodge it. Buffalo withstood General Cannon and a thunder attack from Nami and still didn't fall into the water. What makes you believe one measly kick from Dellinger, who would only hit him by a miracle, would be enough to knock out Buffalo long enough for him to fall into the water?


1.Machvise never hit the Birdcage.
2. So? You act like Hajrudin being a giant automatically makes his attacks stronger than Bartolomeo's.
3. He fell from like 5 feet and couldn't get back up because his belly hurt, and he was only using 10 Tons. That's some boss endurance right there.
4. Gladius did tank the attack. He wasn't laying on the floor hurt, he got it by the attack and shrugged it off two seconds later.
5. Hajrudin got knocked out by one Jet Pistol from Luffy. But you're right, Bartolomeo is weaker than a guy who gets casually one shotted by Luffy. Bari Bari Pistol>Gungir by feats.
6. I wouldn't be calling people delusional when you yourself have been going around claiming that "Machvise>Gladius" and "Hajrudin>Bartolomeo/Cavendish". Gladius easily beats Machvise and Bartolomeo/Cavendish easily beat Hajrudin. Go reread the arc if you honestly believe Machvise can beat Gladius and Hajrudin can beat Bartolomeo/Cavendish.
7. Machvise is slow and has crap endurance. Gladius can just dodge his attack and finish him off with Landmine Punc. If Pink grabs Gladius so Machvise can hit Gladius, Gladius can just activate Fashion Punk. 10,000 Ton Vise of Hell kills the hurts by crushing them, but since Gladius would detonate the moment Machvise touches him, Gladius would blow up, kill Machvise, seriously injure Pink, and take no damage himself since he wasn't crushed. He can then just janitor the injured Pink.
I've shown you the scan 3 different times, Machvise HIT Bird Cage if you're going to continue to deny plain black & white proof drawn by the authors hands then we really have no reason to continue as you're displaying your true nature. (You know you have a shitty reputation here right?)Since you're either an idiot or a troll though I'll show you one last time
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Now will you let that stupid, inaccurate defense rest?

It definitely gives him the advantage but no I'm saying he's stronger than Bart because his punch flew away 10,000 ton. Bart's Barrier Punch wouldn't do that and you're delusional or lying to save face if you really believe Bart could have punched Vise all the way up to the top of Bird Cage at 10,000 ton. Luffy's Jet Stamp hasn't even shown anything insinuating it would do it either. Giants are naturally(and pretty clearly) stronger than regular people. Giants have been noted to be incredibly strong throughout the series why are you trying to downplay an Elbaf giant?

That's your only defense, yet he continued to fight afterwards didn't he? You're confusing the authors comedic effects for stats. Also 10 tons and gravity = way more force than Gladius can produce.

First of all it's still frames you don't know how long he was down whether it was 2 seconds or 10 or 30 or a minute. Plenty of other people have survived Jet Stamp as well so you don't really have much of a point there, it's not like he took Gatling Gun and walked away laughing or Elephant Gun. People like you misuse the word tank so much it's like you forgot what it really means. Tanking is taking a hit and not falling or showing impact, like Whitebeard did to the stab at MarineFord or all those cannonballs. That's tanking not being knocked back something like 20 feet down a hallway and yes he did get knocked back far look at the dust trail
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Also he didn't get up for two pages not the next panel like you want to make it seem. After he got hit it was 16 panels before he stood up.

Do you think Bart wouldn't be KO'd by a jet pistol from Luffy without using his Barriers? You really are delusional. Do you seriously not understand that strength and durability aren't the same thing and aren't related. Hajrudin can punch harder than Bart, that makes him stronger that doesn't mean he has more endurance or durability. Your own example proves the fallacy in your logic, Hajrudin got KO'd by the MC, Bart fought underlings, I like Bart but it's not even comparable it's like Apples to Oranges unless you're implying Gladius's hits are as strong as Luffy's.

You can say re-read until your lungs dry out but you've shown you're the one who doesn't remember this chapter, you deny Vise hit Bird Cage despite being shown it over 4 times, you acted like Pink can't swim fast underground, you said you didn't think Pink could pull people through the ground yet he trapped Luffy in the ground who has a way quicker reaction time than Gladius. If anyone needs to re-read it's you there, chief.

You saying it and using him hurting hi belly isn't enough to counter the fact that his body survived crashing into razor wire at a great rate of speed. Come back when you actually have something credible to argue with. I'm tired of refuting your same old claims over and over, once you're shown you're wrong you should drop the defense. But that's just what smart people do.




If he's capable of turning mountain sized golem into a flag in an instant then I don't get what stopped him from turning Kyros sward into a flag and escape.
You mean besides the authors choice to have the bad guys lose? Nothing. There's absolutely no reason Diamante didn't turn Kyros or his sword into a flag except the author planned for him to lose.
 

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It's a bit trickier to touch a swinging sword than a giant stone golem I reckon.

If he's capable of instantly turning a mountain sized Golem into a flag then I don't see a problem for him to use his power on a sword.


You mean besides the authors choice to have the bad guys lose? Nothing. There's absolutely no reason Diamante didn't turn Kyros or his sword into a flag except the author planned for him to lose.

That's a lame ass excuse. That panel just proves that he isn't capable of instant transformation of things and his reactions aren't really that good. Oda never hinted that he can instantly turn things into flags, it was your own assumption and you are now coming up with excuses that favours that assumption of yours.
 
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If he's capable of instantly turning a mountain sized Golem into a flag then I don't see a problem for him to use his power on a sword.




That's a lame ass excuse. That panel just proves that he isn't capable of instant transformation of things and his reactions aren't really that good. Oda never hinted that he can instantly turn things into flags, it was your own assumption and you are now coming up with excuses that favours that assumption of yours.
Not at all, the manga shows us as he touches the ground it starts to ripple, it's your assumption it takes time despite the manga showing us it happens at contact. I don't recall ever saying he had good reactions so please continue creating your own counter points to argue. What excuse did I come up with? You're so all over the place, you really fit your avatar. You asked why Diamante didn't turn Kyros' sword to a flag, the answer is simply because the author didn't have him do it, had the author had him touch his sword at all he could have had him make it a flag as well but Diamante never touched Kyros or his sword with his hand so how could he have made them a flag? He can't make things a flag by hitting them with his sword.

"If he's capable of instantly turning a mountain sized Golem into a flag then I don't see a problem for him to use his power on a sword"
He has to be able to touch the sword genius, which is what Love Cook and I are saying, it's easier to touch a mountain than a slashing sword. We really shouldn't have to spell this out for you.
 
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