Kamui and possible counters.

[Romy9]

Couldn't clones really put kamui on edge though? He would either have to attack them(being vulnerable) or absorb them (also vulnerable)

And large scale jutsus, particularly things like fire style that's very wide spread, could run out the 5 minutes.

Agreed here. Also, the point was a continuous attack which many thousands of clones can do in that amount of time. It's not exactly a safe solution. I think a better solution would be a tactic/strategic attack where his reactions could get sloppy to deliver the blow.

 

[BlazeRelease]

Agreed here. Also, the point was a continuous attack which many thousands of clones can do in that amount of time. It's not exactly a safe solution. I think a better solution would be a tactic/strategic attack where his reactions could get sloppy to deliver the blow.

Like a super quick, skilled, deadly exploding clone that he can't safely attack OR absorb?

It's kind of a perfect counter; but just to kamui. He'd still have his other jutsu, but kamui wouldn't be a very effective way to deal with clones, as it allows the opponent to safely make you vilnerable, even if landing the hit is still difficult.

 

[The Necromancer]

Agreed here. Also, the point was a continuous attack which many thousands of clones can do in that amount of time. It's not exactly a safe solution. I think a better solution would be a tactic/strategic attack where his reactions could get sloppy to deliver the blow.

Nope. You still have to account for the ground he's standing on. That's why no one will match it.

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[BlazeRelease]

Nope. You still have to account for the ground he's standing on. That's why no one will match it.

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A smart shinobi will see him slip under, and not sit there wondering what happened. They'd be wary of a surprise attack. Besides, the clones would still require obito to either retreat or become vulnerable, and it's not like the clones have a time limit, but Kamui sure does.

 

[Romy9]

Nope. You still have to account for the ground he's standing on. That's why no one will match it.

It's a little bit far-fetched, but the first thing that came up in my mind is Naruto vs. Neji in Chuunin exam.

Like a super quick, skilled, deadly exploding clone that he can't safely attack OR absorb?

It's kind of a perfect counter; but just to kamui. He'd still have his other jutsu, but kamui wouldn't be a very effective way to deal with clones, as it allows the opponent to safely make you vilnerable, even if landing the hit is still difficult.

There are many tactical attacks which can be pulled of by the likes of Minato, Itachi, Sasuke etc. The point in general is to confuse him or slow him down.

 

[The Necromancer]

It's a little bit far-fetched, but the first thing that came up in my mind is Naruto vs. Neji in Chuunin exam.



There are many tactical attacks which can be pulled of by the likes of Minato, Itachi, Sasuke etc. The point in general is to confuse him or slow him down.

A smart shinobi will see him slip under, and not sit there wondering what happened. They'd be wary of a surprise attack. Besides, the clones would still require obito to either retreat or become vulnerable, and it's not like the clones have a time limit, but Kamui sure does.

The problem with that is that Obito will then be able to be anywhere at any time. He will be in the Kamuiverse, so using a clone to distract or try to slip into the Kamuiverse will be null.

And being able to counter KCM clones with ease (clones that could take on the 3rd Raikage alone) means that any other clones are basically pointless to use.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The only possible counters to Kamui I can think of are other S/T jutsus and being fast enough to hit Obito before he can phase.

He can always deal with any clones that manage to slip in the Kamui dimension so it's not completely viable unless he doesn't know a clone was warped.

 

[Brünhild]

Someone who was so fast that even sharingan users couldn't keep up with his hand seals is able to touch him...

Anyway, we already know that KA >>> Obito, end of discussion.

 

[BlazeRelease]

The problem with that is that Obito will then be able to be anywhere at any time. He will be in the Kamuiverse, so using a clone to distract or try to slip into the Kamuiverse will be null.

And being able to counter KCM clones with ease (clones that could take on the 3rd Raikage alone) means that any other clones are basically pointless to use.

But he would have to come out of the ground and materialize in order to go there, which unless he's hidden extremely well, will be very dangerous.

Also naruto uses his clones as purely distractions, I meant if someone like kakashi or itachi used just a few to put high close combat pressure on him. Plus sharingan clones should be far more capable of maintaining close combat against someone than natutos clones, who can mostly just run and attack in a rather linear fashion; easily avoided by sharingan.

 

[The Necromancer]

But he would have to come out of the ground and materialize in order to go there, which unless he's hidden extremely well, will be very dangerous.

Also naruto uses his clones as purely distractions, I meant if someone like kakashi or itachi used just a few to put high close combat pressure on him. Plus sharingan clones should be far more capable of maintaining close combat against someone than natutos clones, who can mostly just run and attack in a rather linear fashion; easily avoided by sharingan.

1. Your first point is speculation, and even if true, he could simply come out miles and miles away far from harm.

2. You severely underestimate Naruto's KCM clones, if you really believe the average shinobi could keep up with them. Even so, Obito was effortlessly able to keep up with 2 Perfect Jins, KCM Clones, a Gated Gai, and MS Kakashi.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Correct. And that was a 14 year old Obito. Akatsuki MS obito has 17 more years of experience and training.

I've said it a dozen times, I'll say it a dozen more.

Akatsuki MS Obito is Unbeatable 1v1 discounting Juubi Jins and Pseudo Juubi Jins
Hypothetical DMS Obito is Unbeatable period.

That's assuming he was even training in that time frame

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

No one on earth will ever be able to do what Konan did. People forget that 1. Attacks must continue to touch him for 5 straight minutes, or else the timer likely resets. 2. Obito's full body cannot be consumed, or he will simply end up in the Kamuiverse. And 3. You cannot let Obito touch the ground, as he can simply phase through the ground into the Kamuiverse.

Only Konan will ever get as close as she did to reaching the 5 minute limit. Period.



Obito can choose where people he absorbs go, and whether they are in a genjutsu or not. The only reason that strategy worked, is because Kakashi sent the clone away.

Against anyone else, Clones are just as useless.

Dead
Deidara sound twins tobirama mu gengetsu minato konan and itachi all can counter kamui

Alive
Sasuke (current)
Naruto (current)
Shino yes shino. War feats included obito touching him would likely lead to a draw.

Yes obito can choose but he also has to go and all they have to do is get near enough to get warped this is proved by konans jutsu

 

[Ansatsuken]

Dead
Deidara sound twins tobirama mu gengetsu minato konan and itachi all can counter kamui

Alive
Sasuke (current)
Naruto (current)
Shino yes shino. War feats included obito touching him would likely lead to a draw.

Yes obito can choose but he also has to go and all they have to do is get near enough to get warped this is proved by konans jutsu

What about his Kamui Snipe ability that can attack from far unlike non attack base Kamui?

I think if Obito have Kamui snipe, Konan is dead before she can activate massive paper bomb.

All encounter with Obito is when he not having Kamui snipe, but in this topic OP ask about Kamui counter.

 

[Demonic.]

Aside from FTG, shadow clones/wood clones counter it effectively. If one gets warped he gets raped from both dimensions.

Sage Mode also causes one to react to Kamui. SM Madara reacted to FTG which is faster than Kamui.

There's other techniques too like Flower Tree World that can bypass 5 minutes of intangibiliary and put him to sleep.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

What the hell is wrong with your brain?
Faster than ftg? When was this?
I recall minato escaped kamui using ftg.

I was talking about FTG Lv 1. Minato beat him with FTG Lv 2.

 

[patskie14]

I don't remember a time where obito accidentally transported a clone.

IF anything, all the clone strategy only worked because it was kakashi who transferred it to the other dimension.

For that, I really wouldn't consider it as a legit counter since it can Only work when his other eye is in the battle field,

Else if kakashi wasn't there, there's no waty that clone trick would've work.

And I'm pretty sure obito can put someone under a genjutsu while they are being sucked, The wormhole is from his eye afterall.

 

[Demonic.]

I don't remember a time where obito accidentally transported a clone.

IF anything, all the clone strategy only worked because it was kakashi who transferred it to the other dimension.

For that, I really wouldn't consider it as a legit counter since it can Only work when his other eye is in the battle field,

Else if kakashi wasn't there, there's no waty that clone trick would've work.

And I'm pretty sure obito can put someone under a genjutsu while they are being sucked, The wormhole is from his eye afterall.

Nope. Obito warped Kakashi here, it had nothing to do with Kakashi, and the latter still ended up by Obito when he phased

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