DSM Kabuto vs KCM Naruto

[Demonic.]

KCM Naruto low diffs. Kabuto isnt tanking FRS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you asking me if a jutsu built of blinding light and deafening sound, due to the intensity of the resulting vibrations, paralysing pain is also induced, needs prove that it wont work?

Yup. You are giving the technique attributes it was never stated to have.

The jutsu canonically made a character unable to mold chakra property so why do I need proof that it won't work on another character?

It stopped Sasuke from maintaining Susanoo. There is literally zero proof for "being unable to mold chakra properly" being the reason he couldn't use it. He couldn't maintain it because of the pain, and because of the fact it's a jutsu that needs to be actively maintained. Naruto has no jutsu like that.

Are you asking me to remove deductive reasoning to prove something wrong? In every vs thread match up, with Kabuto using White Rage, do I also have to proof if the jutsu would wont on any character other then Sasuke?

Read above.

I hope that isn't what your meant. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that it isn't.

Hopefully, you are at least asking me if Naruto doesn't need to mold chakra to use chakra arms and FRS. Even then I shouldn't have to back that up at its clear in the manga.

Kurama's chakra needs control:

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And Rasengan is pretty clear[

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Are we going to go full retard from the start? It should be completely obvious what I meant. Where is the proof that White Rage stops people from molding chakra? Where is the proof that being unable to mold chakra is the reason Sasuke dropped Susanoo? Cause as usual with your claims, there is little to no manga evidence proving your case.

The bold is stupid. No shit you have to mold chakra to use Ninjutsu, so why in the world would I ask you to prove that?

Smh...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yup. You are giving the technique attributes it was never stated to have.

Which is?

It stopped Sasuke from maintaining Susanoo. There is literally zero proof for "being unable to mold chakra properly" being the reason he couldn't use it. He couldn't maintain it because of the pain, and because of the fact it's a jutsu that needs to be actively maintained. Naruto has no jutsu like that.

The jutsu creates a paralysis to the opponent. I have no idea what you are babbling about to try and prove Naruto can create a Rasengan or use chakra manipulation under these conditions.

Are we going to go full retard from the start? It should be completely obvious what I meant. Where is the proof that White Rage stops people from molding chakra? Where is the proof that being unable to mold chakra is the reason Sasuke dropped Susanoo? Cause as usual with your claims, there is little to no manga evidence proving your case.

The bold is stupid. No shit you have to mold chakra to use Ninjutsu, so why in the world would I ask you to prove that?

Smh...

So now my claim became "unable to mold chakra properly" to unable to mold chakra at all?

 

[IDKBOB]

If Kabuto can easily beat EMS Sasuke who has proven to have the same chakra level as Naruto and have equivalent jutsu strength King Kabuto wins.

 

[IDKBOB]

Naruto and Sasuke would be a different story. Without an itachi save they may not do too well seeing how Kabuto's chakra level alone deactivated. Sasuke's susanoo. Im sure kurama mode will do the same.

 

[KidGamer65]

Which is?

"unable to mold chakra properly"

Did someone hit you on the head? Lol. Not sure if I should be taking these weak replies seriously.

The jutsu creates a paralysis to the opponent. I have no idea what you are babbling about to try and prove Naruto can create a Rasengan or use chakra manipulation under these conditions.

Paralyzing someones body=/=Stopping someone from molding chakra or hindering their ability to do so. When you can prove that the two are correlated, or when you can prove it stops them from molding chakra properly, we can have a real argument, until then, all you are doing is twisting what happened in the manga to benefit your claims.

So now my claim became "unable to mold chakra properly" to unable to mold chakra at all?

Either way, there is no proof. You've made 3 posts now and not yet have I seen a single shred of evidence toward your claim, so I don't expect to see anything.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

"unable to mold chakra properly"

Did someone hit you on the head? Lol. Not sure if I should be taking these weak replies seriously.

Ironic thing to say, since your basing your claim off of Sasuke, who couldn't counter and maintain Susanoo because of pain. Despite manga, never ever ever made a description that Sasuke was complaining about pain.

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Paralyzing someones body=/=Stopping someone from molding chakra or hindering their ability to do so. When you can prove that the two are correlated, or when you can prove it stops them from molding chakra properly, we can have a real argument, until then, all you are doing is twisting what happened in the manga to benefit your claims.

Lol so desperate to try and separate them like they dont correlate. I have to give a whole lesson to you now? How does paralysis work, to begin with? Paralysis works by having something for it to react to your body, to lose muscle/body function.

Example: What happens when you get poisoned? It can potentially cause body weakness or paralysis. How? Toxics reacting to your body functions or breaking/destroying cells in your body.

Why is this lesson important? Because your body/functions is important in order to mold chakra!

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White Rage causes intense vibrations to travel through your body, fact! Because your body is in intense matter, you can't properly use your body to mold chakra, since its being disrupted by the vibrations rattling body functions like crazy, to the point of paralysis.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ironic thing to say, since your basing your claim off of Sasuke, who couldn't counter and maintain Susanoo because of pain. Despite manga, never ever ever made a description that Sasuke was complaining about pain.

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Don't need to. His expression is an expression of pain. If the sound is rattling his bones, he's feeling some sort of pain. Not to mention that's hardly relevant. Sasuke couldn't maintain Susanoo because of White Rage's properties, the main point of this argument is that a jutsu that needs as much maintenance as Susanoo can't be held. Says pretty much jack shit about any other jutsu, and it definitely doesn't even begin to imply that White Rage has any effect on the ability to mold chakra. Just something you pulled from your **** cavity.

Lol so desperate to try and separate them like they dont correlate. I have to give a whole lesson to you now? How does paralysis work, to begin with? Paralysis works by having something for it to react to your body, to lose muscle/body function.

Uh-huh.

Example: What happens when you get poisoned? It can potentially cause body weakness or paralysis. How? Toxics reacting to your body functions or breaking/destroying cells in your body.

Why is this lesson important? Because your body/functions is important in order to mold chakra!

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White Rage causes intense vibrations to travel through your body, fact! Because your body is in intense matter, you can't properly use your body to mold chakra, since its being disrupted by the vibrations rattling body functions like crazy, to the point of paralysis.

Nice lesson, but completely useless. The only relevant part of your post is the bold, and you've yet to actually prove why this is the case, and we're 4 posts in now. This is getting pretty pathetic.

-Paralysis=/=Being unable to mold chakra. There is zero proof in your argument that correlates the two.

-Poison causing paralysis is irrelevant as Poison and Paralysis=/=Sound. Don't even begin to work in the same way. Not to mention not all poisons cause paralysis.

-You tried to use

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scan to prove the bold....but of course, you failed hard in the end. Please tell me where this scan states anything that'd prove that paralysis=unable to mold chakra properly correctly? Oh wait, your evidence doesn't exist.

Body Energy and Spirit Energy are put together to make chakra, using hand signs, but in Naruto's case, he doesn't need handsigns for Rasengan, Rasen Shuriken, or his Chakra Arms. So the only part paralysis would effect is the hand signs part, meaning you have no point here whatsoever. Physical paralysis isn't going to effect the chakra system in any way, shape or form.


All you've managed to do is waste 4 whole posts when you should've provided evidence in the second post. Lol

 

[Unorthodox]

lets see a chou Rasenshuriken in a cave yup Kabuto gets negged also Clones are not effected by white rage the fend off kabuto untill the light compresses

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Don't need to. His expression is an expression of pain. If the sound is rattling his bones, he's feeling some sort of pain. Not to mention that's hardly relevant. Sasuke couldn't maintain Susanoo because of White Rage's properties, the main point of this argument is that a jutsu that needs as much maintenance as Susanoo can't be held. Says pretty much jack shit about any other jutsu, and it definitely doesn't even begin to imply that White Rage has any effect on the ability to mold chakra. Just something you pulled from your **** cavity.

Thats completely relevant because the vibrations is cause him not to maintain Susanoo. Rasengan and Chakra arms needs precise control to create the move. For him to do this you are suggesting that he can do this under disruptive conditions.

Nice lesson, but completely useless. The only relevant part of your post is the bold, and you've yet to actually prove why this is the case, and we're 4 posts in now. This is getting pretty pathetic.

It useless to someone being dense about the argument.

-Paralysis=/=Being unable to mold chakra. There is zero proof in your argument that correlates the two.

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Not to mention I literally post a scan where your body functions/cells are what produces physical energy. And if these body functions are at halt, then molding physical energy to produce chakra wont be controlled properly.

-Poison causing paralysis is irrelevant as Poison and Paralysis=/=Sound. Don't even begin to work in the same way.

Um no this is relevant, not because they aren't the same, but because they both can be use for a body to react in a paralysis state. Poison break cells for the body to read nerves, to function the body properly. While sound can use as as energy to vibrate, having a little earthquake in body functions. One is temporal (sound) and one needs a antidote to stop its effect.

Not to mention not all poisons cause paralysis.

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-You tried to use

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scan to prove the bold....but of course, you failed hard in the end. Please tell me where this scan states anything that'd prove that paralysis=unable to mold chakra properly correctly? Oh wait, your evidence doesn't exist.

How about reading the premise without taking it out of context? The scan explains you need body functions such as your cells to produce physical energy. What happens if thats disrupted? You obviously can't mold the physical energy to mix in with spiritual to create chakra.

Body Energy and Spirit Energy are put together to make chakra, using hand signs, but in Naruto's case, he doesn't need handsigns for Rasengan, Rasen Shuriken, or his Chakra Arms. So the only part paralysis would effect is the hand signs part, meaning you have no point here whatsoever. Physical paralysis isn't going to effect the chakra system in any way, shape or form.

All you've managed to do is waste 4 whole posts when you should've provided evidence in the second post. Lol[/QUOTE]

Naruto still needs precise control over his body to properly maintain a Rasegan and precise control over his body to control chakra arms properly. The vibrate function of White Rage messes up that control.

 

[KidGamer65]

Thats completely relevant because the vibrations is cause him not to maintain Susanoo. Rasengan and Chakra arms needs precise control to create the move. For him to do this you are suggesting that he can do this under disruptive conditions.

Precise control=/=Active maintenance on the level of what is needed to maintain Susanoo. Stop trying to equate the two.

It useless to someone being dense about the argument.

It's useless to anyone who knows what their talking about.

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Not to mention I literally post a scan where your body functions/cells are what produces physical energy. And if these body functions are at halt, then molding physical energy to produce chakra wont be controlled properly.

Your scan doesn't say that body functions produce physical energy, stop trying to twist the manga. The scan says that body energy resides inside of the cells. Nothing about production is ever stated or hinted at. Not to mention physical paralysis doesn't even begin to halt all of the body's functions, that's retarded. If paralysis halted the body's functions all the way down to the cellular level, then Sasuke wouldn't be moving, speaking, or any of that shit.

"Preventing the body from moving by rattling the bones and vibrating the air"=/="Halting bodily functions".

If we assume that cells produce body energy, you still have to prove that White Rage oscillating the air will affect the body at a cellular level by causing all the cells in his body to stop their functioning, but you can't prove that and it makes zero sense.

Um no this is relevant, not because they aren't the same, but because they both can be use for a body to react in a paralysis state. Poison break cells for the body to read nerves, to function the body properly. While sound can use as as energy to vibrate, having a little earthquake in body fuctions.

That's the only way they are connected, paralysis.....but no deeper than that since they paralyze in different, unconnected ways.

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How does this prove that all poisons cause paralysis? Lol. Not even relevant since poison isn't sound.

How about reading the premise without taking it out of context? The scan explains you need body functions such as your cells to produce physical energy.

The scan says that body energy resides in the cells. Nothing more. You shouldn't be talking about context here. Not sure why you are trying so hard to equate energy residing in the cells with cells produce physical energy.....but you should stop. It's not working.

Water resides in my cup. If I used your logic I'd be saying that water is produced by my cup. Lol

What happens if thats disrupted? You obviously can't mold the physical energy to mix in with spiritual to create chakra.

Zero proof that White Rage halts bodily functions at the cellular level. Zero proof that being unable to physically move means that your cells' processes are halted.

Naruto still needs precise control over his body to properly maintain a Rasegan and precise control over his body to control chakra arms properly. The vibrate function of White Rage messes up that control.

Except it doesn't. Never stated, never implied. White Rage dropped Susanoo because Susanoo needs constant and active maintenance.

 

[Demonic.]

Nice lesson, but completely useless. The only relevant part of your post is the bold, and you've yet to actually prove why this is the case, and we're 4 posts in now. This is getting pretty pathetic.

-Paralysis=/=Being unable to mold chakra. There is zero proof in your argument that correlates the two.

-Poison causing paralysis is irrelevant as Poison and Paralysis=/=Sound. Don't even begin to work in the same way. Not to mention not all poisons cause paralysis.

-You tried to use

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scan to prove the bold....but of course, you failed hard in the end. Please tell me where this scan states anything that'd prove that paralysis=unable to mold chakra properly correctly? Oh wait, your evidence doesn't exist.

Body Energy and Spirit Energy are put together to make chakra, using hand signs, but in Naruto's case, he doesn't need handsigns for Rasengan, Rasen Shuriken, or his Chakra Arms. So the only part paralysis would effect is the hand signs part, meaning you have no point here whatsoever. Physical paralysis isn't going to effect the chakra system in any way, shape or form.


All you've managed to do is waste 4 whole posts when you should've provided evidence in the second post. Lol

Exactly. Supported with manga facts:

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[Brother Numpsay]

Saving you time and energy.

Precise control=/=Active maintenance on the level of what is needed to maintain Susanoo. Stop trying to equate the two.

How can't I not as both requires concentration, which White Rage isn't going to let him do. Theres no way you can prove that Naruto can make these under such condition.

 

[KidGamer65]

Exactly. Supported with manga facts:

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Lol, right. That crushes the "can't mold chakra due to paralysis" argument.

Saving you time and energy.



How can't I not as both requires concentration, which White Rage isn't going to let him do. Theres no way you can prove that Naruto can make these under such condition.

Amount of concentration needed for Susanoo=/=Amount of concentration needed for FRS, assuming it'd need concentration, not to mention control=/=concentration, so you have no point.

 

[IDKBOB]

lets see a chou Rasenshuriken in a cave yup Kabuto gets negged also Clones are not effected by white rage the fend off kabuto untill the light compresses

A shadow clone orgy pile can't protect Naruto from everything, especially that. Inorganic reanimation or Kabuto's own snake clones could easily over power Naruto and SM reaction time far surpasses KCM and to add on to Naruto not being able to get out of the sound genjutsu he would still have to get a way passed Kabuto's ability to liquify his body or use his healing factor. Unless Naruto can pull out another MS, he's going to fail epicly. Plus if he had trouble with prime nageto he can't really be that great.... Apparently he's so stupid he forgot he could just activate sage mode and let nageto take his chakra so he could seal him in a frog statue. On top of all that, kabuto can only control people weaker than him so that's just basic math. KCM Naruto <Nageto <DSM Kabuto

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol, right. That crushes the "can't mold chakra due to paralysis" argument.

Genjutsu fools your body that it can't move, mentally. Not the same as it being physically attacked to stop its function.

Amount of concentration needed for Susanoo=/=Amount of concentration needed for FRS, assuming it'd need concentration, not to mention control=/=concentration, so you have no point.

Last time I checked FRS needs more concentration. Susanoo doesn't require no training for it to function, while Naruto dedicated his training to succeed in molding his ninjutsu. Not to mention control needs to coordinate with concentration. Not sure how you conclude that they dont.

 

[IDKBOB]

Fun fact for those who say he can magically use chakra in white rage you can see what happened to Sasuke's susanoo when he used it. Spoiler alert. It was deactivated. Same happened just from Kabuto unleashing his chakra. Sasuke without a doubt knew how to use susanoo more than Naruto knew how to use KCM, especial seeing how he had it for far longer. You will have to nerf king Kabuto before KCM Naruto can even stand a chance.
Side note: Cloak Naruto = EMS Sasuke and we all know how useful Sasuke was in his fight against Kabuto.

 

[KidGamer65]

Genjutsu fools your body that it can't move, mentally. Not the same as it being physically attacked to stop its function.



Last time I checked FRS needs more concentration. Susanoo doesn't require no training for it to function, while Naruto dedicated his training to succeed in molding his ninjutsu. Not to mention control needs to coordinate with concentration. Not sure how you conclude that they dont.

Never once stated or implied, it only requires skill and training to master. Susanoo not requiring training=/=Susanoo not requiring a lot of active concentration and maintenance.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fun fact for those who say he can magically use chakra in white rage you can see what happened to Sasuke's susanoo when he used it. Spoiler alert. It was deactivated. Same happened just from Kabuto unleashing his chakra. Sasuke without a doubt knew how to use susanoo more than Naruto knew how to use KCM, especial seeing how he had it for far longer. You will have to nerf king Kabuto before KCM Naruto can even stand a chance.
Side note: Cloak Naruto = EMS Sasuke and we all know how useful Sasuke was in his fight against Kabuto.

Fun fact for those who believe that Susanoo was dropped because White Rage magically inhibits the opponent's use of chakra.....

-You have no evidence.

The rest is irrelevant.

 

[Unorthodox]

A shadow clone orgy pile can't protect Naruto from everything, especially that. Inorganic reanimation or Kabuto's own snake clones could easily over power Naruto and SM reaction time far surpasses KCM and to add on to Naruto not being able to get out of the sound genjutsu he would still have to get a way passed Kabuto's ability to liquify his body or use his healing factor. Unless Naruto can pull out another MS, he's going to fail epicly. Plus if he had trouble with prime nageto he can't really be that great.... Apparently he's so stupid he forgot he could just activate sage mode and let nageto take his chakra so he could seal him in a frog statue. On top of all that, kabuto can only control people weaker than him so that's just basic math. KCM Naruto <Nageto <DSM Kabuto

Child please. Also since when could Kabuto make snake clones? those clones sense danger the those pointed rocks are dodged of blocked with chakra hands its a non factor Sm reaction does not far surpass anything and its moot anyways because physically naruto has the speed to compete with kabuto anyways. Sound genjutsu is useless clones wake him or they just throw

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each clone throwing 2 or 3 FRS in that small cave = a dead kabuto. Liquiry is useless rasenshuriken would vaporize his body if its in water form. in that rest of the post was just bullshit and A>B>C logic so i'll pass.