Obito and Itachi: Analysis

[Hàdes1]

You don't add anything serious. I'll doubt you'll be of help to anyone here

Let me try and we'll know for sure : )

 

[Lord Tywin]

It doesn't matter because Kurama has very large supplies of chakra as well. You're starting to grasp for straws. Naruto always fights with clones and he can always have them out specifically because he can. Going by your logic, in almost each and every fight, Naruto was low on chakra and he wasn't fighting at his best. Which is ridiculous.

I'm the one grasping straws? Lol
you were talking about selective reading, but let me throw it back at you. It seems like you missed it when the bond between Kyuubi and Naruto was bad initially. Kyuubi was sucking him dry too, although he stopped. At that moment Naruto was afraid of Kurama sucking him dry. He was afraid to make clones.
at every fight he wasn't in the same condition as he was in that fight. Having clones out in every battlefield to fight was taking a toll on kyuubi's chakra. He ran out after using one giant rasengan and rasenshuriken.

 

[HeavenlySolace]

Itachi solos Obito neg dif.

 

[Romy9]

I'm the one grasping straws? Lol
you were talking about selective reading, but let me throw it back at you. It seems like you missed it when the bond between Kyuubi and Naruto was bad initially. Kyuubi was sucking him dry too, although he stopped. At that moment Naruto was afraid of Kurama sucking him dry. He was afraid to make clones.
at every fight he wasn't in the same condition as he was in that fight. Having clones out in every battlefield to fight was taking a toll on kyuubi's chakra. He ran out after using one giant rasengan and rasenshuriken.

Yep, you are. Specifically because you're using assumptions to make your point. Lol Which doesn't hold any ground in a debate. It's simply irrelevant how much chakra he had if he didn't experience any fatigue in a said fight. Logically, anyone starts to lose chakra when they engage in a battle. If they can hold on and continue the fight with the same progression, it doesn't hinder the performance and "being low on chakra" is dismissive. As it was shown in the manga as a factual evidence. You're running in circles so I think we're done here.

 

[Hàdes1]

Okay let me Start.

Itachi solos obito neg diff

Your turn haters

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Okay let me Start.

Itachi solos obito neg diff

Your turn haters

**** outta here with your cancerous shit. How many people have you given cancer and maybe even ebola?
Obito has feats that greatly suggest he is above Itachi. He is stronger,faster and has way better arsenal than Itachi. Only thing Itachi has is better intelligence but thats fruitless when the opponent is simply too powerful.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Yep, you are. Specifically because you're using assumptions to make your point. Lol Which doesn't hold any ground in a debate. It's simply irrelevant how much chakra he had if he didn't experience any fatigue in a said fight. Logically, anyone starts to lose chakra when they engage in a battle. If they can hold on and continue the fight with the same progression, it doesn't hinder the performance and "being low on chakra" is dismissive. As it was shown in the manga as a factual evidence. You're running in circles so I think we're done here.

Yes because a person who is running low on chakra can dish out the same attacks as a fresh person. Naruto sent out kcm clones to every battlefield(I'm not sure if you can distinguish between a normal clone and a kcm clone) already not being in his potential full power. Later in the fight he used three techniques and ran out of chakra. Tell me again how he wasn't running low on chakra? He knew he didn't have his original chakra when he made the kcm clones, automatically restricting him and his output. Naruto's "same progression" is spamming clones and rasengan in a fight, which he didn't do when fighting Itachi and Nagato, hence the lack of chakra.
and Lol assumptions and speculations are the only words you know, right? Even when manga provides the evidence, you deny it.

 

[Shruikan]

After reading all 9 pages I have come to the conclusion that Itachi fans are indeed crazy

 

[Hàdes1]

After reading all 9 pages I have come to the conclusion that Itachi fans are indeed crazy

Or You Are

*Lord Sasuke* Lol

 

[Romy9]

Yes because a person who is running low on chakra can dish out the same attacks as a fresh person. Naruto sent out kcm clones to every battlefield(I'm not sure if you can distinguish between a normal clone and a kcm clone) already not being in his potential full power. Later in the fight he used three techniques and ran out of chakra. Tell me again how he wasn't running low on chakra? He knew he didn't have his original chakra when he made the kcm clones, automatically restricting him and his output. Naruto's "same progression" is spamming clones and rasengan in a fight, which he didn't do when fighting Itachi and Nagato, hence the lack of chakra.
and Lol assumptions and speculations are the only words you know, right? Even when manga provides the evidence, you deny it.

Of course he can't, but not to the noticeable point of fatigue which would hinder his performance in the fight, for the 3rd/4th time. That all doesn't matter, again, because he didn't show signs of fatigue during the fight. He expressed his inability to fight after the fight ended. Up until that point he was able to hold the same progression of his performance. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. You think he didn't spam Rasengans because the lack of chakra? Where's the evidence of that? Was it hinted? Was is staged as a situation in a fight? Did he not spam chakra against any other opponent because he was low? No, it's something you made up to make your point, again.

The assumption and speculations are the words I need here because that's exactly what you're doing. No, it doesn't. That's not evidence. That's something you prefer to be in order to help your case. Naruto didn't show any sign of fatigue whatsoever and it didn't decrease his performance until the fight was over.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Of course he can't, but not to the noticeable point of fatigue which would hinder his performance in the fight, for the 3rd/4th time. That all doesn't matter, again, because he didn't show signs of fatigue during the fight. He expressed his inability to fight after the fight ended. Up until that point he was able to hold the same progression of his performance. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. You think he didn't spam Rasengans because the lack of chakra? Where's the evidence of that? Was it hinted? Was is staged as a situation in a fight? Did he not spam chakra against any other opponent because he was low? No, it's something you made up to make your point, again.

The assumption and speculations are the words I need here because that's exactly what you're doing. No, it doesn't. That's not evidence. That's something you prefer to be in order to help your case. Naruto didn't show any sign of fatigue whatsoever and it didn't decrease his performance until the fight was over.

Here we go again Lol
If the fight had ended just a moment later, Naruto would have been dried of Kurama's chakra. Fact
We are solely talking about how Naruto didn't spam Rasengans and clones during the fight with Nagato and Itachi. He used two rasengans and one rasenshuriken, then he got dried. Fact

Naruto was running low and was at more of a disadvantage than Itachi. Fact.

 

[Romy9]

Here we go again Lol
If the fight had ended just a moment later, Naruto would have been dried of Kurama's chakra. Fact
We are solely talking about how Naruto didn't spam Rasengans and clones during the fight with Nagato and Itachi. He used two rasengans and one rasenshuriken, then he got dried. Fact

Naruto was running low and was at more of a disadvantage than Itachi. Fact.

But it didn't. He used the same level of power for the whole duration of the fight. If the fight lasted a bit more and he showed signs of fatigue doesn't matter because it didn't happen that way. Lol

He got dry, after the fight ended. He fought with the same intensity for the whole fight. That's a fact, the rest is your sugarcoating.

Itachi was at an disadvantage of not having control over his own body. I see now that if Naruto doesn't spam Rasengans, it immediately means he's low on chakra. If that were the case, he would never be as powerful as he was in every fight. Completely false understanding of his character.

 

[Lord Tywin]

But it didn't. He used the same level of power for the whole duration of the fight. If the fight lasted a bit more and he showed signs of fatigue doesn't matter because it didn't happen that way. Lol

He got dry, after the fight ended. That's a fact, the rest is your sugarcoating.

Itachi was at an disadvantage of not having control over his own body. I see now that if Naruto doesn't spam Rasengans, it immediately means he's low on chakra. If that were the case, he would never be as powerful as he was in every fight. Completely false understanding of his character.

He wasn't going to show fatigue because he still had the cloak on, not changing the fact that he still was low on chakra.
Kabuto was doing a fantastic job of controlling the ETs. Itachi's handicap was far less that Naruto's.
And for sure you wouldn't spam your techniques when you're low on chakra.

 

[Romy9]

He wasn't going to show fatigue because he still had the cloak on, not changing the fact that he still was low on chakra.
Kabuto was doing a fantastic job of controlling the ETs. Itachi's handicap was far less that Naruto's.
And for sure you wouldn't spam your techniques when you're low on chakra.

He wasn't as low on chakra as to not be able to keep up the same intensity of fighting. That's what's relevant here. His chakra was draining, but the critical point of not being able to use it in the same fashion happened after the fight.

Kabuto was doing a crappy job at controlling the ETs. Even though I believe Itachi could do the same Totsuka pierce without Kabuto, there's a high chance that Nagato could've evaded that if he had his own control of the body. Let's not exaggerate.

 

[Lord Tywin]

He wasn't as low on chakra as to not be able to keep up the same intensity of fighting. That's what's relevant here. His chakra was draining, but the critical point of not being able to use it in the same fashion happened after the fight.

Kabuto was doing a crappy job at controlling the ETs. Even though I believe Itachi could do the same Totsuka pierce without Kabuto, there's a high chance that Nagato could've evaded that if he had his own control of the body. Let's not exaggerate.

The same intensity means being his usual self and spamming rasengan and normal clones, which he didn't use.

Also, I don't see it. Nagato was already handicapped and his summons were dealt with. His vision was blocked by smoke too, so I still see Nagato getting sealed. Kabuto was using Rinnegan to a degree of making Naruto realize how different Nagato was than Pain. Using three paths at the same time was a testament to his skill in handling ET.

 

[Romy9]

The same intensity means being his usual self and spamming rasengan and normal clones, which he didn't use.

Also, I don't see it. Nagato was already handicapped and his summons were dealt with. His vision was blocked by smoke too, so I still see Nagato getting sealed. Kabuto was using Rinnegan to a degree of making Naruto realize how different Nagato was than Pain. Using three paths at the same time was a testament to his skill in handling ET.

That's completely false. So you think he's being fatigued every time if he doesn't use Rasengan constantly? Are you kidding me? That's your argument?

I see it because Itachi could control his body better than Kabuto, that's for sure. Nagato wasn't crippled. Even though the opponent was Itachi, it's hard to believe Nagato would meet the same fate if he wasn't under control. Specially when a lot of people claim he would neg diff Itachi.

 

[Lord Tywin]

That's completely false. So you think he's being fatigued every time if he doesn't use Rasengan constantly? Are you kidding me? That's your argument?

I see it because Itachi could control his body better than Kabuto, that's for sure. Nagato wasn't crippled. Even though the opponent was Itachi, it's hard to believe Nagato would meet the same fate if he wasn't under control. Specially when a lot of people claim he would neg diff Itachi.

My argument is that Naruto was running low on chakra because of his other kcm clones. He didn't have full chakra because of using clones. That is a fact.

Nagato would beat Itachi, but neg diff is pure fapboyism. This is another topic that requires another thread.

 

[Romy9]

My argument is that Naruto was running low on chakra because of his other kcm clones. He didn't have full chakra because of using clones. That is a fact.

Nagato would beat Itachi, but neg diff is pure fapboyism. This is another topic that requires another thread.

He uses his clones in 90% of the fights. He's never on his full chakra. And he doesn't need to be because his 1/4th of the chakra is the same as Kakashi's full capacity, and that was in the beginning of Part 2. Your argument is simply false. Logically and mathematically.

We're talking in a digressive matter so it really isn't important anymore. Plus, what you said is a contradiction because you tried to justify Nagatos' defeat in the previous post.

 

[Lord Tywin]

He uses his clones in 90% of the fights. He's never on his full chakra. And he doesn't need to be because his 1/4th of the chakra is the same as Kakashi's full capacity, and that was in the beginning of Part 2. Your argument is simply false. Logically and mathematically.

We're talking in a digressive matter so it really isn't important anymore. Plus, what you said is a contradiction because you tried to justify Nagatos' defeat in the previous post.

You're again comparing normal clones to kcm clones. He couldn't use KCM clones like he used normal clones. That's the difference. This conversation is getting rather dull.

 

[Romy9]

You're again comparing normal clones to kcm clones. He couldn't use KCM clones like he used normal clones. That's the difference. This conversation is getting rather dull.

It is dull, now more than ever, since I found the scan. He was out of chakra for literally 4-5 pages, and then in a single panel, he was back at it again. Your argument is completely invalid now. Thanks for the good debate.

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