Obito and Itachi: Analysis

[Romy9]

So let's restrict Kamui, right? Yes I'd say Itachi's speed is insufficient because Obito had no problem with 4 Kage level ninjas. Well until the decided to use Kamui. Not a single person outside of Minato(ftg) and kakashi(Kamui) even managed to do anything. Minato because of teleportation, and Kakashi because of another kamui. Itachi lacks both.

*Hebi Sasuke's sharingan*. Obito was laughing at Raikage and Kcm Naruto, who're by feat faster than Itachi.

Genjutsu won't going to do anything to Obito. Itachi canonically stated that someone with his blood can counter it. Uchihas are from the same blood. He sees past every genjutsu like nothing.

@everyone, why do I feel like I'm restating what's already there in op? Read the thread and if you have something to contribute, then come forth.

You assume Itachi's speed isn't enough. Chapter 142, Itachi's speed feat was shown, or better say hinted (because it wasn't actually shown in a panel how fast it was). Only Kakashi realized how fast he "swapped" himself and a clone. And we can only speculate whether he noticed his movement or the fact that the one standing beside them was a clone. Also, he intercepted Naruto in his RM while being manipulated.

By feat, they are. Naruto only used FTG-like speed once or twice. In general, Itachi can keep up with his speed, as we've seen.

That's true. But cannonically, they can also fall under it, no matter how fast they break out. Itachi's Tsukuyomi alters time in the illusion. If Obito breaks, for example, in a second out of it, he'd spend a day of torture inside it.

Omfg look at this mountain of utter garbage. Itachi fans truly get sexual pleasure in spouting nonsense. And I have no idea why you are using those Manga panels when Obito is obviously faster than Kakashi,Kurenai and Asuma.

The accomplishments you've ever done is writing fanfiction and beating the other sperms to reach your mothers eggs.
Stop overrating Itachi when his feats are pure garbage.

You got stomped once again. You're done.

 

[Hàdes1]

OT: Kunai + dusk crow GG

Even alphascythian or somethin was persuaded by this

 

[Lord Tywin]

Lol, Aqueel and Romy, take your insults to somewhere else.

 

[Romy9]

Lol, Aqueel and Romy, take your insults to somewhere else.

I return what was thrown at me. Read every post before you assume. Lol

 

[Lord Tywin]

You assume Itachi's speed isn't enough. Chapter 142, Itachi's speed feat was shown, or better say hinted (because it wasn't actually shown in a panel how fast it was). Only Kakashi realized how fast he "swapped" himself and a clone. And we can only speculate whether he noticed his movement or the fact that the one standing beside them was a clone. Also, he intercepted Naruto in his RM while being manipulated.

By feat, they are. Naruto only used FTG-like speed once or twice. In general, Itachi can keep up with his speed, as we've seen.

That's true. But cannonically, they can also fall under it, no matter how fast they break out. Itachi's Tsukuyomi alters time in the illusion. If Obito breaks, for example, in a second out of it, he'd spend a day of torture inside it.



You got stomped once again. You're done.

Naruto was a portion of his max kcm power. And they were having a conversation while fighting.

Itachi's speed doesn't come close to the likes of Raikage, who was blitzing the likes of Ms Sasuke. Naruto surpassed Raikage in speed, but was helpless against Obito. His speed couldn't do anything. I also don't see Itachi doing anything to someone that could hold his own against 4 top tier ninjas.

Obito won't be placed in genjutsu, and even if he did, we've seen what happens to Itachi once it's broken.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Lol, Aqueel and Romy, take your insults to somewhere else.

I wasn't insulting him but his come backs. He is not giving any proof on how Itachi would win and is showing scans of Itachi beating Kakashi,Asuma and Kurenai like that benefits Itachi vs Obito. Also if you go to my Obito wasnt scared of Itachi thread you will see him using Obito running away from Itachi from RTN as proof to suggest Itachi>Obito

I return what was thrown at me. Read every post before you assume. Lol

If he wants to read garbage he can always stare at the trash can in his house.

 

[Romy9]

Naruto was a portion of his max kcm power. And they were having a conversation while fighting.

Itachi's speed doesn't come close to the likes of Raikage, who was blitzing the likes of Ms Sasuke. Naruto surpassed Raikage in speed, but was helpless against Obito. His speed couldn't do anything. I also don't see Itachi doing anything to someone that could hold his own against 4 top tier ninjas.

Obito won't be placed in genjutsu, and even if he did, we've seen what happens to Itachi once it's broken.

Yeah, but logically, they were both handicapped then, right?

Naruto wasn't helpless against Obito because of his speed. The speed wasn't the issue. Obito had other things in his arsenal that made him untouchable. Also, he never blitzed Obito (something I won't ever understand). I'm sure if he used the same speed against Raikage, he would succeed in landing a blow. Also, the speed of movements doesn't equate the speed of reflexes when making a blow/throwing a punch. I don't think Naruto was better at that than Itachi.

Like I said, you assume and speculate. That doesn't hold any factual value.

That's why I included Aqueel too.

But you didn't include the dumbass who addressed specifically me.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Yeah, but logically, they were both handicapped then, right?

Naruto wasn't helpless against Obito because of his speed. The speed wasn't the issue. Obito had other things in his arsenal that made him untouchable. Also, he never blitzed Obito (something I won't ever understand). I'm sure if he used the same speed against Raikage, he would succeed in landing a blow. Also, the speed of movements doesn't equate the speed of reflexes when making a blow/throwing a punch. I don't think Naruto was better at than Itachi.

Like I said, you assume and speculate. That doesn't hold any factual value.

They both were, but Naruto was in more of a disadvantage.

Obito was only overwhelmed by ftg. Naruto's foot speed doesn't equate instant teleportation. Raikage attempted at blitzing Obito, didn't work out. Although it seemed like Raikage wasn't in v2. What distinguishes Obito with Raikage is Sharingan. We know that 3 tomoes helps with precognition, something that Raikage lacked. Obito could see Naruto's movements because of sharingan.

Ill be back in a couple of hours.

 

[Romy9]

They both were, but Naruto was in more of a disadvantage.

Obito was only overwhelmed by ftg. Naruto's foot speed doesn't equate instant teleportation. Raikage attempted at blitzing Obito, didn't work out. Although it seemed like Raikage wasn't in v2. What distinguishes Obito with Raikage is Sharingan. We know that 3 tomoes helps with precognition, something that Raikage lacked. Obito could see Naruto's movements because of sharingan.

Ill be back in a couple of hours.

How so? Itachi was at an equal disadvantage because he wasn't controlling his own body.

Agreed, that's why Itachi would perform at least like Naruto did. But then come other speculations on how he would deal damage. As much as Sharingan's ability would be an advantage to Obito, Itachi would have the same stipulations. By that logic, Obito wouldn't touch Itachi as well. It all comes down to the wielder in the end.

Sure.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Yeah, but logically, they were both handicapped then, right?

Naruto wasn't helpless against Obito because of his speed. The speed wasn't the issue. Obito had other things in his arsenal that made him untouchable. Also, he never blitzed Obito (something I won't ever understand). I'm sure if he used the same speed against Raikage, he would succeed in landing a blow. Also, the speed of movements doesn't equate the speed of reflexes when making a blow/throwing a punch. I don't think Naruto was better at that than Itachi.

Like I said, you assume and speculate. That doesn't hold any factual value.



But you didn't include the dumbass who addressed specifically me.

That bold. Aren't you doing the same thing? :leaf:

 

[Romy9]

That bold. Aren't you doing the same thing? :leaf:

I am. But I don't hold it as a fact. I said that in a first post that it's all speculation, you know, the post which you addressed as garbage. You diminish and underestimate Itachi's abilities. I just justify them and try opening eyes a bit. I don't know why you keep quoting me though, you'll get destroyed again. You should leave this stuff to real debaters.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Not a fan of neither so unbiased point of view

Obito with rinnegan could win but it's still not a cake walk
Obito with out loses in similar fashion to when he fought minato

I believe obito kept kamui dual abilities and mechanics a secret
Having sharingan doesn't mean genjutsu can't effect you it just means dispelling it is easier

 

[Lord Tywin]

How so? Itachi was at an equal disadvantage because he wasn't controlling his own body.

Agreed, that's why Itachi would perform at least like Naruto did. But then come other speculations on how he would deal damage. As much as Sharingan's ability would be an advantage to Obito, Itachi would have the same stipulations. By that logic, Obito wouldn't touch Itachi as well. It all comes down to the wielder in the end.

Sure.

Naruto had sent out kcm clones all over. At the end of the fight with Nagato he ran out of chakra, even though he barely used any chakra. Nagato didn't absorb his chakra either. He was running low already when he encountered Itachi and Nagato.

Well this thread was my opinion on how this fight would go. Anyone can have their own opinion.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

I am. But I don't hold it as a fact. I said that in a first post that it's all speculation, you know, the post which you addressed as garbage. You diminish and underestimate Itachi's abilities. I just justify them and try opening eyes a bit. I don't know why you keep quoting me though, you'll get destroyed again. You should leave this stuff to real debaters.

Yes you destroyed me by using a non canon movie as facts and Manga pages that have nothing to do with the topic :leaf:
Good day.

Not a fan of neither so unbiased point of view

Obito with rinnegan could win but it's still not a cake walk
Obito with out loses in similar fashion to when he fought minato

I believe obito kept kamui dual abilities and mechanics a secret
Having sharingan doesn't mean genjutsu can't effect you it just means dispelling it is easier

Buddy I don't understand why you're saying Rinnegan Obito cannot low-neg diff Itachi? How would Itachi give Rinnegan Obito trouble when the latter has 6 Bijuu+Gedo Mazo?

 

[NarutoKage2]

Itachi doesn't have a prayer against obito.
And I'm talking bout the regular, 1 eye hole ms obito here.

-Tsukuyomi countered with uchiha blood
-Ametarasu was canonically countered
-Yata and susanoo attacks can be countered by trapping Itachi inside the uchiha barrier
-Izanami needs prep time, he won't get that
-Itachis shuriken jutsu and tai jutsu are inferior to obitos mokuton
-Itachis Katons are waaay inferior to obitos

Obito doesn't even need to use kamui lol. Uchiha barrier to trap Itachi, then mokuton to impale from underground.

 

[Romy9]

Yes you destroyed me by using a non canon movie as facts and Manga pages that have nothing to do with the topic :leaf:
Good day.

Yes, I did. With Kishimoto's fanfic about Itachi being superior to Obito gives us more "proof" of it than not having a Kishimoto's fanfic about it. I think you understand this quite well, but you choose to troll and act like you have an IQ of a stone. People told me you're a passionate Itachi hater and I can see now why.

Naruto had sent out kcm clones all over. At the end of the fight with Nagato he ran out of chakra, even though he barely used any chakra. Nagato didn't absorb his chakra either. He was running low already when he encountered Itachi and Nagato.

Well this thread was my opinion on how this fight would go. Anyone can have their own opinion.

Chakra doesn't have anything to do with basic movement speed. You decided that that was your reason for Itachi being able to keep up with Naruto. That's called selective reading, if we exclude assumptions. But to humor the argument, Naruto's chakra wasn't hindered in any way because he continued to fight many more fights after it without significant signs of fatigue which makes the argument moot.

Of course.

 

[Brünhild]

-There is nothing in Itachi's arsenal that can force Obito go full intangible for 5 mins straight, also Obito can easily reset the timer by becoming tangible again for just a moment, and repeat the whole process.

-Shadow clones? Obito can simply expel out anything from kamui dimension at will.

-Itachi also lacks the chakra level to keep up with Obito's monstrous stamina.

-Itachi using susanoo will only go in Itachi's disadvantage, cuz it will be a huge toll on Itachi to maintain it also Yata mirror and Totsuka gets fodderized by kamui troll.

-Obito's genjutsu feats rivals that of Kotoamatsukami, putting a perfect jin in genjutsu for years >>> anything Itachi displayed.

-Combine it with the fact that Obito literally needs one touch to beat Itachi while Itachi has no teleportation to get away from it.


Plus Katon,Mokuton, Inyotun, 6paths justsu,Rikudo's jutsu, Black rods, Uchiha kaenjin(simply put Itachi in a cage and chill out)

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The power Gap between Obito and Itachi is just too much to be honest.

And if by some Holy Intervention everything goes to shyt.......

Iza-fkin-nagi

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Lmao what a shit argument.

If you don't know, Obito must become tangible to attack someone, which makes him vulnerable to counterattacks. If he really wants to kill Itachi, he must attack him as you said, right? With Mokuton, Katon or whatever, but Itachi can easily avoid these attacks with Susanoo, even if he uses it just for a moment to save stamina. Uchihas have a great chakra, but Obito has "greater" stamina just because of Hashirama cells.

And as I said before, Obito can trick and fool his opponents with Kamui, but he can't do it with Itachi, who is canonically a battle smart, had the wisdom of a Hokage at 7 years old and became the ANBU captain at 13 years old. Obito has a chance against Itachi if he uses kamui and stabs him from behind as he did with Konan, but she was caught off guard. Itachi is smart enough to prevent this and even to strike back, since Obito must become tangible to attack. Itachi could force him with taijutsu, because if he tries to "save" his time, he must become tangible, if he tries to teleport, he must become tangible, if he tries to strike back, he must become tangible... so Obito has disadvantage in close combats. And as I said, all of other attacks Obito has are easily blocked by yata.

Itachi is very skillful with taijutsu and has good reflections if we analyze his feats. Here is a good example:

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And everybody knows how Kakashi soloed Obito in close combat.

And explain me how Obito can beat Itachi with one touch? Lmao joke of the year.

Obito has Izanagi, but Itachi has Izanami, which is a jutsu used to defeat Izanagi users, so your argument failed.

Let's don't forget how Obito was owned many times. It's possible to do a compilation of Obito fails.

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[I'm stupid real stupid]

Yes, I did. With Kishimoto's fanfic about Itachi being superior to Obito gives us more "proof" of it than not having a Kishimoto's fanfic about it. I think you understand this quite well, but you choose to troll and act like you have an IQ of a stone. People told me you're a passionate Itachi hater and I can see now why.

Kishi alos said Jiraiya=Itachi :vision:
I got PM's of people telling me you are Obito hater. I can see why.
Also it seems you have joined IB. Have fun with people who think Itachi is above JJ Obito.

 

[Romy9]

Kishi alos said Jiraiya=Itachi :vision:
I got PM's of people telling you are Obito hater. I can see why.
Also it seems you have joined IB. Have fun with people who think Itachi is above JJ Obito.

Where did you see anywhere that I belittle Obito? People think I hate Obito because I have arguments that defeat yours. Lol I actually like Obito. I just like to rustle-open Obitotards' eyes.

I've been a member there for a few months now. I don't see how that breaks my credibility if you're reading my posts carefully.

 

[Amaterasu]

Obito >>>>> Itachi

I think this thread need to stop. itachi fans are too much thirsty