War arc Kakashi vs Kakuzu

[Amaterasu]

Kakuzu med-diff

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Alright its shitty drawing time

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I think you can basically see the gist of it, Kakuzu's fuuton is a fuuton that basically crushes all that inside the circle due to increasing the air pressure to an extreme.

I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be getting the gist of bit if you're refering to the db explanation air pressure being raised to the extreme is a result of impact. It didn't impact kakashi it hit hidan, and based on hidan's clothing it didn't do much. Either the tech is just weak(doing less visible damage to hidan's clothing than paper bombs) or kakashi flat out dodged it.

So basically the only reason Kakashi was able to avoid the jutsu is as since he was directly in front of it,

being directly in front of it gives him less time to dodge, precognition or not.

his pre-cog allowed him to anticipate it then merely move a few feet to the left.

not even the anime shown kakashi listing to the left and given hidan's pressure I doubt it's as you say. If you get that link to work maybe I'd think otherwise but your words alone aren't swaying me.

However if he were in the center of the sphere of devastation. Its a much longer way to avoid the jutsu.

I'm guessing this has something to do with the link/pic....

Also read that data book page and you'll see it says the jutsu casts near instantly.

if it casts near instantly and Kakashi was in mid air(harder to dodge in mid air) fighting hidan he should have gotten destroyed by the jutsu as per your overhype. But even hidan and kakazu himself admitted that kakashi saw through it despite:
point blank range
fighting hidan
kakazu taking advantage of hidan's immortality.
So why is it do you think he'd get caught by it when despite 3 factors hindering him he dodged?

So alas Kakashi gets crushed. Even with gates he wouldn't have enough time to activate them

I don't see the logic behind this. By nature false darkness should be kakazu's fastest attack, but despite pressure damage happening behind kakazu and kakazu shooting false darkness in front of him kakashi ran past kakazu and his masks and blocked it. Meaning he flat out outsped it despite being it having a headstart and Kakashi having to travel a longer distance.

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He says you'd be dealing with me .-. what you think they just sat there and had a tea party for 10 minutes while Shikamaru was going after Hidan?

unless you can show me a scan of any form of cqc between the two, resulting in kakazu besting him i'd suggest you drop this point.

Lml Packing team 10? Literally the only thing he did to help them was protect them from gian

is that not backing? It cost him Two raikiri's and back then that's roughly half his reserves. He put out 4 raikiri's at the beginning of the fight and not once used the clone technique, despite being well renowned for it and using it in roughly...every other manga fight to date. That to me sounds like backpacking and sandbagging.

everything else Kakuzu was really only aiming at Kakashi.

Because kakashi put himself out there instead of using his tried and true clone tactics. As you so nicely quoted.

Countered? Do you the know the meaning of the word? Please inform me how Kakshi counters Kakuzu's katon fuuton combo.

in this location he has acess to more powerful water techniques than a mere water wall. Scaled up water dragon and water vortex handles his combo with ease.

Only thing that's different is gates although I don't see him getting enough time to train that hard from his fight with Kakuzu till the war so its not presumptions to say he already had them.

when he fought pain, 1 lightining shadow clone, 1 earth wall, 3 raikiri's including 1 variant and 2 kamui's caused him to die.
When the war rolled around he put out roughly 8 raikiri's(variants included) 5 kamui's, 2 shadow clones and 1 earth wall before exaustion took him. It's quite the jump.

None the less even with gates he would still be ambushed.

why? Gates make him faster.

He's already been overwhelmed with threads... twice and by his own admission they were too fast for even his sharingan to predict

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how that's in reference to his threads is beyond me.

Once they wrap around the wrists raikiri is useless.

false. Unless they completely restrict his arms range of movement raikiri will cut through the threads.

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Again look at the image above, that also heavily influenced his reaction to gian as well.

are you referring to the image you drew or him"supposedly talking about the threads?

But I still believe he could probably block it, however having him block the gian is an easy way to have him vulnerable for further attack

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if he's leagues faster than gian he has no reason to block it. He could easily dodge it.


Now. As for kakashi's offense. He's already been shown to be more that capable of handling multiple opponents, as seen when he willingly took on 4 v2 jinchuuriki with joint vision and sharingan precognition. They didn't become a problem for him until they fully transformed. So masks that lack precognition or joint vision is well below his threshold, and what he's capable of going up against. Raikiri already shown the capacity to break his masks so he can either do it again or do it from afar via raikiri kunai. Then there's the clone games. Kakazu got tricked by naruto ... TWICE. And naruto isn't a clone game master like kakashi. So I can safely say like itachi, pain, zabuza, and everyone else kakazu is getting clone feinted. Footspeed should be more than enough to dodge all of his mask attacks if not hiding like mole covers it, cuts Los and let's him setup feints.
Cqc is in kakashi's favor given gates and precognition.
And Location gives him superior ninjutsu. Kakashi mid high.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Kakashi .

 

[Haizaki]

Kakuzu doesn't stand a chance of winning.

 

[Zexion~]

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I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be getting the gist of bit if you're refering to the db explanation air pressure being raised to the extreme is a result of impact. It didn't impact kakashi it hit hidan, and based on hidan's clothing it didn't do much. Either the tech is just weak(doing less visible damage to hidan's clothing than paper bombs) or kakashi flat out dodged it.

being directly in front of it gives him less time to dodge, precognition or not.
not even the anime shown kakashi listing to the left and given hidan's pressure I doubt it's as you say. If you get that link to work maybe I'd think otherwise but your words alone aren't swaying me.

I'm guessing this has something to do with the link/pic.... if it casts near instantly and Kakashi was in mid air(harder to dodge in mid air) fighting hidan he should have gotten destroyed by the jutsu as per your overhype. But even hidan and kakazu himself admitted that kakashi saw through it despite:
point blank range
fighting hidan
kakazu taking advantage of hidan's immortality.
So why is it do you think he'd get caught by it when despite 3 factors hindering him he dodged?
I don't see the logic behind this. By nature false darkness should be kakazu's fastest attack, but despite pressure damage happening behind kakazu and kakazu shooting false darkness in front of him kakashi ran past kakazu and his masks and blocked it. Meaning he flat out outsped it despite being it having a headstart and Kakashi having to travel a longer distance.










unless you can show me a scan of any form of cqc between the two, resulting in kakazu besting him i'd suggest you drop this point.
is that not backing? It cost him Two raikiri's and back then that's roughly half his reserves. He put out 4 raikiri's at the beginning of the fight and not once used the clone technique, despite being well renowned for it and using it in roughly...every other manga fight to date. That to me sounds like backpacking and sandbagging.
Because kakashi put himself out there instead of using his tried and true clone tactics. As you so nicely quoted.




in this location he has acess to more powerful water techniques than a mere water wall. Scaled up water dragon and water vortex handles his combo with ease.



when he fought pain, 1 lightining shadow clone, 1 earth wall, 3 raikiri's including 1 variant and 2 kamui's caused him to die.
When the war rolled around he put out roughly 8 raikiri's(variants included) 5 kamui's, 2 shadow clones and 1 earth wall before exaustion took him. It's quite the jump.
why? Gates make him faster.
how that's in reference to his threads is beyond me.
false. Unless they completely restrict his arms range of movement raikiri will cut through the threads.

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are you referring to the image you drew or him"supposedly talking about the threads? if he's leagues faster than gian he has no reason to block it. He could easily dodge it.


Now. As for kakashi's offense. He's already been shown to be more that capable of handling multiple opponents, as seen when he willingly took on 4 v2 jinchuuriki with joint vision and sharingan precognition. They didn't become a problem for him until they fully transformed. So masks that lack precognition or joint vision is well below his threshold, and what he's capable of going up against. Raikiri already shown the capacity to break his masks so he can either do it again or do it from afar via raikiri kunai. Then there's the clone games. Kakazu got tricked by naruto ... TWICE. And naruto isn't a clone game master like kakashi. So I can safely say like itachi, pain, zabuza, and everyone else kakazu is getting clone feinted. Footspeed should be more than enough to dodge all of his mask attacks if not hiding like mole covers it, cuts Los and let's him setup feints.
Cqc is in kakashi's favor given gates and precognition.
And Location gives him superior ninjutsu. Kakashi mid high.

Can you really not see the pic .-. I can see it fine ?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Can you really not see the pic .-. I can see it fine ?

I couldn't see it until after I replied. It worked when I quoted it but it dosen't work when you posted it.