War arc Kakashi vs Kakuzu

[Raykyryn]

:| Yet he can use two jutsu simultaneously? No reason to believe he can't do four, I have a debate that actually is worth debating

Kakashi's already lost

Kakuzu never used any masks when his own body was distracted. Let alone four.

Never denied that Kakuzu shits on early shipuuden Kakashi.

 

[ATD]

Please don't think too much about their fight in the past, because Kakashis feats were restricted and he had to waste chakra for saving team 10.
Kakashi didnt use doton hiding like a mole even though he would have been able to dodge a lot of kakuzus long range attacks with low diff (Kishi definitely shitted on his feats)
Kakashi didnt use clones cause he had to save chakra for fighting hidan and Kakauzus mask almost alone
In this match up he has a straight source of water for jutsus like water dragon and water vortex
War arc Kakashis chakra levels are much more higher than mid shippuuden Kakashis were when he fought team immortal
Kakashi wasnt able to use raikiri variants like beast runner, raiton clone and raiden, now he has those jutsus.
He wasn't able to think of a clear strategy because he has to watch team 10 the whole time
He didnt use 3T genjutsu, but he has it.

Kakashi clearly improved and isn't comparable to his past form
In my opinion he surpassed Kakuzu in the war arc
Kakashi wins this high diff

 

[Selan]

Kakashi wins with mid diff at worst and that's without needing the Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Didn't kakashi already dodge kakazu's wind mask at point blank while in mid air cqc with hidan? Then he outsped kakazu's false darkness ?

Like stop it with this mask overhype. They weren't that difficult to handle the first time around he'll handle it easier now.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

With having Lightning Chain and better speed/reflexes, Kakashi probably wins unlike last time.

Raiton: Raijū Tsuiga would be a more effective jutsu in dealing with the masks

 

[ATD]

Raiton: Raijū Tsuiga would be a more effective jutsu in dealing with the masks

yes you mean beast runner right ?
it didnt require heandseals, is very fast (was about to blitz deva path in one panel) and can dodge attacks due to its zig-zag course, i think the wind mask is the only one who can dodge it with flying and speed.

 

[LuckyMan]

Didn't kakashi already dodge kakazu's wind mask at point blank while in mid air cqc with hidan? Then he outsped kakazu's false darkness ?

Like stop it with this mask overhype. They weren't that difficult to handle the first time around he'll handle it easier now.

He didn't dodge it. His vest was gone when he resurfaced so it hit him. If he wasn't caught by it he'd still have his vest like Shikamaru did.

 

[ATD]

He didn't dodge it. His vest was gone when he resurfaced so it hit him. If he wasn't caught by it he'd still have his vest like Shikamaru did.

So you mean he tanked it ?
This would speak for Kakashis durability.
I think he lost his verst because he dodged it almost completely somehow, we will never know, but he survived, so its safe to say that he can avoid kakuzus attacks even in mid air. At the ground he has hiding like mole to doge ninjutsus.

 

[Osagyefo]

Kakashi takes this high diff.
Restricting MS/Kamui means Kakashi has more reserves for his raiton clones and shadow clones...
His stamina has also improved since he last fought Team Zombie.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi wins it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He didn't dodge it. His vest was gone when he resurfaced so it hit him. If he wasn't caught by it he'd still have his vest like Shikamaru did.

So he tanked it(according to you). Even worse.

I still think he dodged it. Akatsuki cloaks aren't more durable than his ninja jacket and Hidan didn't lose jack squat.

 

[LuckyMan]

So he tanked it(according to you). Even worse.

I still think he dodged it. Akatsuki cloaks aren't more durable than his ninja jacket and Hidan didn't lose jack squat.

Through some way he was hit and lost his jacket. Whether or not he was caught in the epicenter (where the power would be most concentrated) of the explosion remains to be unknown but even if he say he tanked it, it doesn't mean he'll tank any combination attacks they dish out.

 

[Zexion~]

Didn't kakashi already dodge kakazu's wind mask at point blank while in mid air cqc with hidan? Then he outsped kakazu's false darkness ?

Like stop it with this mask overhype. They weren't that difficult to handle the first time around he'll handle it easier now.

Dodging point blank is easier then dodging from the middle.

Pretty sure Kakashi was about to get destroyed by the masks if not for naruto, and he was overwhelmed once before. Not to mention Kakashi already failed at topping Kakuzu in CQC

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All of Kakashi's jutsu get countered he gets pawned in CQC, at the most Kakuzu wrecks him in long range mode.



@KG Don't know why you said that lml

 

[Bronze]

Kakashi, mid-high diff without Kamui. Low diff with it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Through some way he was hit and lost his jacket.

I don't think so. Since hidan was hit by it completely yet lost no article of clothing. So kakazu's attack can't be the reason he lost his clothing, if hidan's gets ripped apart by paper bombs.

Whether or not he was caught in the epicenter (where the power would be most concentrated) of the explosion remains to be unknown but even if he say he tanked it, it doesn't mean he'll tank any combination attacks they dish out.

You're not acknowledging him having to fight hidan while dodging it. So any combo gets dodged as casually as he dodged it the first time and blocked false darkness. Unless you can prove combos ups the speed of the attack/blast.

Dodging point blank is easier then dodging from the middle.

how? In what way is that easier? The father away he is the more time he has to dodge. Point blank=least amount of possible time.

Pretty sure Kakashi was about to get destroyed by the masks if not for naruto,

by kakashi's own admission he was sandbagging kakazu. Holding back ms despite having opportune times to use it and end him, what makes it worse is kakashi was also back packing team 10.

and he was overwhelmed once before. Not to mention Kakashi already failed at topping Kakuzu in CQC

when did they engage in cqc? That url dosen't show any form of cqc.

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All of Kakashi's jutsu get countered

other way around.

he gets pawned in CQC,

unlikely seeing as raikiri cuts the threads, sharingan predicts his moves Gate's make him faster and hes all around a stronger nin than the version of him that fought kakazu.

at the most Kakuzu wrecks him in long range mode.

He already dodged and blocked kakazu's techs tho. ..



@KG Don't know why you said that lml[/QUOTE]

 

[Zexion~]

I don't think so. Since hidan was hit by it completely yet lost no article of clothing. So kakazu's attack can't be the reason he lost his clothing, if hidan's gets ripped apart by paper bombs.
You're not acknowledging him having to fight hidan while dodging it. So any combo gets dodged as casually as he dodged it the first time and blocked false darkness. Unless you can prove combos ups the speed of the attack/blast.


how? In what way is that easier? The father away he is the more time he has to dodge. Point blank=least amount of possible time.


by kakashi's own admission he was sandbagging kakazu. Holding back ms despite having opportune times to use it and end him, what makes it worse is kakashi was also back packing team 10.
when did they engage in cqc? That url dosen't show any form of cqc.

other way around.
unlikely seeing as raikiri cuts the threads, sharingan predicts his moves Gate's make him faster and hes all around a stronger nin than the version of him that fought kakazu.
He already dodged and blocked kakazu's techs tho. ..



@KG Don't know why you said that lml

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Wait wait wait... Gates? I'll answer everything else but could you explain please U_U

Edit: Nvm I remember now

I'll be multi posting but whatever hold on

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wait wait wait... Gates? I'll answer everything else but could you explain please U_U

Edit: Nvm I remember now

I'll be multi posting but whatever hold on[/QUOTE]

Kakashi can open at the very least, the first 2 gates, since both are located in the brain.

 

[Zexion~]

how? In what way is that easier? The father away he is the more time he has to dodge. Point blank=least amount of possible time.

Alright its shitty drawing time

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I think you can basically see the gist of it, Kakuzu's fuuton is a fuuton that basically crushes all that inside the circle due to increasing the air pressure to an extreme. So basically the only reason Kakashi was able to avoid the jutsu is as since he was directly in front of it, his pre-cog allowed him to anticipate it then merely move a few feet to the left. However if he were in the center of the sphere of devastation. Its a much longer way to avoid the jutsu. Also read that data book page and you'll see it says the jutsu casts near instantly. So alas Kakashi gets crushed. Even with gates he wouldn't have enough time to activate them

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by kakashi's own admission he was sandbagging kakazu. Holding back ms despite having opportune times to use it and end him, what makes it worse is kakashi was also back packing team 10.
when did they engage in cqc? That url dosen't show any form of cqc.

He says you'd be dealing with me .-. what you think they just sat there and had a tea party for 10 minutes while Shikamaru was going after Hidan? Lml Packing team 10? Literally the only thing he did to help them was protect them from gian everything else Kakuzu was really only aiming at Kakashi.

other way around.

Countered? Do you the know the meaning of the word? Please inform me how Kakshi counters Kakuzu's katon fuuton combo.

unlikely seeing as raikiri cuts the threads, sharingan predicts his moves Gate's make him faster and hes all around a stronger nin than the version of him that fought kakazu.

Only thing that's different is gates although I don't see him getting enough time to train that hard from his fight with Kakuzu till the war so its not presumptions to say he already had them. None the less even with gates he would still be ambushed. He's already been overwhelmed with threads... twice and by his own admission they were too fast for even his sharingan to predict

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Once they wrap around the wrists raikiri is useless.

He already dodged and blocked kakazu's techs tho. ..

Again look at the image above, that also heavily influenced his reaction to gian as well. But I still believe he could probably block it, however having him block the gian is an easy way to have him vulnerable for further attack

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[VongolaX]

Kakazu wins low diff then

Body count in Kakazu's favor and the elements are also in his favor as well.

Raikiri is not beating the wind heart

 

[ATD]

Kakazu wins low diff then

Body count in Kakazu's favor and the elements are also in his favor as well.

Raikiri is not beating the wind heart

low diff ??
well i will take you serious, you are so wrong
Doton hiding like a mole dodges every elementary ninjutsu in Kakuzus arsenal
Kakashi kept up in speed with v2 jinchurikis, his clones handle the hearts while the original takes on kakuzu

Raikiri penetrates through domu and Kakuzus heart, Kakashi stays by the dead body waiting until the clones finish the masks
In war his clones helped him fighting the jins and tying the manzo with raiden, they laugh at the masks of kakuzu.