Establishing why no form of the sharingan including Choku Tomoe EMS can see thru Mū's

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Invisibility.

Disclaimer: I consider the Rinnegan to be an evolution of the sharingan rather than one of its forms, so it won't be included in this post

Let's start off by identifying the basic benefits that the sharingan grants its user.

3 Tomoe Sharingan

1. Ability to see chakra in different forms and chakra flow.
2. Ability to identify and counter illusions.

The Sharingan's abilities consist of two parts: the "Eye of Insight" (洞察眼, Dōsatsugan) and the "Eye of Hypnotism" (催眠眼, Saimingan).[5] The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see chakra flow. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them.[6] They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as the Byakugan.
3. Ability to copy techniques that aren't Kekkei Genkai.

The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques.
4. Ability to place other shinobi (or summons/tailed beasts if skilled enough) under illusions

The Sharingan's final commonly-used ability is capable of inducing a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent through genjutsu cast by simple eye contact between both parties.

Mangekyō Sharingan

The Mangekyō Sharingan gives the user's eyes enhanced might to the standard Sharingan's generic abilities and access to powerful techniques.

Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan

The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan prevents the Mangekyō from going blind, as well as aleviating the body's stress from using the previously mentioned techniques like Susano'o.

Only by transplanting the eyes of another Uchiha can the user regain their sight and ocular powers. By transplanting the Mangekyō Sharingan of an Uchiha with strong blood ties to the recipient — ideally a sibling — an Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan (永遠の万華鏡写輪眼, Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan) is then awakened.[8] This process takes several days for a complete recovery,[9][10] and not only permanently restores the recipient's eyesight, but also bolsters their own ocular power with that of the donor's, signified by the intertwined appearance of their Mangekyō Sharingan's tomoe seals.

- Judging by Sasuke's reaction, we can surmise that the EMS also grants the donor's ocular powers as well.

Madara and Sasuke's Choku Tomoe

The pattern of Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyō is known as the "Straight Tomoe" (直巴, Choku Tomoe), which gives Sasuke an even higher capability of reading his opponents movements and to fluidly act upon.

- In this scan, we see Madara confirming that the Choku Tomoe allows for more fluid movement in response to the opponents movements. Sasuke's feats in tracking Juubito's speed during their fight backs this up as well.

Clearly, the Choku Tomoe EMS with all of its powerups, its perception, and its tracking prowess is extremely powerful. However, like Itachi told Naruto and Bee during their fight with Nagato, every jutsu has a weak point and a counter. One such counter for said sharingan (and by default, all of its previous forms like the MS) is Mū's Dustless Bewildering Cover.

Here's an overview of this technique

The user erases their presence, causing them to have neither a physical form nor detectable chakra while the technique is active. They cannot be detected through traditional means. Mū's mastery of this technique helped earn him the moniker "Non-Person" (無人, Mujin; Viz "Null Man").[2] This technique utilises water vapour to bend the light around the user making use of Water Release to do so,[1] enhancing its effects from the Hiding with Camouflage Technique.

The last bit of the last sentence practically confirms this technique's superiority over Taiseki's Hiding in Camoflage. However, for comparison's sake, lets look at the latter technique anyway to fully establish the difference.

This is a ninja escape technique that allows the user to control how light is reflected around their body with chakra inflections. The technique also erases the user's scent and shadow, and is usable on any terrain, making it ideal not only for covert manoeuvres but also offensive strikes. Perceiving the user's position is possible only for ninja who are astute enough to observe minute variations within their surrounding environment, such as distortions of air currents in the immediate vicinity or distinguishing sounds, i.e. footsteps etc. The usefulness of this ability can be entirely negated by those with special vision or sensory skills, except for particularly adept users, who can completely erase even their chakra signature with it.
- The Bolded: This statement says that adept users can hide themselves from not only chakra sensors, but dōjutsu as well. Since Mū's mastery of a superior version of this technique made him famous during his lifetime as the Null Man as stated by Kabuto ( ), we can deduce that Mū completely hides not only his body, but he also hides his chakra signature from from both the naked eye and dojutsu like the sharingan.


- In another interesting point, Kakashi, who has heightened senses including a good sense of smell, noted here that Taiseki's technique erases sense of smell, further proving the statements from narutowiki. Therefore, Dustless Bewildering Cover should also do the same.

Conclusion: Judging from all the scans and statements that I've compiled here, we can assuredly say that Mū, while invisible, cannot be seen by the naked eye, nor sensed by chakra sensor types, nor sniffed out.

Now, can he be seen by the sharingan and its forms? No, he cannot. To prove this, I will draw information from the beginning of this post.

The sharingan has four basic abilities, and the ones relevant to my point are its ability to see chakra flow, to "give color" to chakra, and to distinguish forms of chakra. These abilities should be pushed to the absolute maximum with Sasuke's/Madara's Choku Tomoe EMS. However, not even this form of the sharingan can see Mū while he's invisible. The sharingan can see and distinguish chakra forms and signatures through its superior insight, but it cannot distinguish a chakra signature that's been completely erased and hidden, and cannot distinguish a chakra that has no form, like Kabuto stated in one of the scans I posted above. This is true for the EMS, no matter how much said ocular abilities have been "boosted", which is a rather dubious term in this context, considering nothing we've seen in the manga indicates that the stages of the sharingan really take the 3T's abilities to another level. Furthermore, the Choku Tomoe refers to the user's enhanced tracking prowess and fluidity of movement in response, but it cannot track something that it cannot see and identify. One counter I've heard some people say to this is the fact that Madara fought Mū and Ōnoki in the past and beat them. I feel that that example should be completely disregarded because it was originally a meeting to discuss the relations between Iwagakure and Konohagakure, and we know next to nothing about that scuffle and how it went down. Who's to say Mū had time to go invisible and escape Madara's sight from such a short range?

So, there you have it. I'm pretty open minded and still relatively new to this site, so any feedback and constructive criticism is welcomed.

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Note: All the scans and statements used in this post were drawn from narutowiki and NarutoBase.
 
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Very nice thread.

I never knew that Muu's invisibility technique was water based; I don't usually read the Data books. He not only uses Fire, Earth, and Wind natures to produce Jinton, but also uses Water nature in such an advanced manner.

Muu > Our Faves U_U
 

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Madara saw him..
why wouldn't he use it on madara?

Likely the sharingan would see the subtle impression for his steps so even if u are correct it is notthat important
 

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If he was invisible to the sharingan madara wouldn't have been able to beat him. no way an invisible man with dust release should have lost in that situation. The only logical conclusion in my opinion is that madara simply saw him.
 

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No, straight comma sharingan would see through it. Even if the databook only states that it has better tracking, it's also made by Kishi's editors, and as such, might not have noticed everything. It flat-out gives better detection abilities in comparison to other sharingans. Case in point.

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There's no denying Kishi's own writing that straight-comma sharingan gives even better visual analysis. He was the only one who could recognize Hashirama's clones as clones. Clones are identical to the user, so there's some serious visual power behind the ability to recognize clones. It can notice what not even the Byakugan can, so it should be able to see through Mu's jutsu, or at least recognize that a jutsu's being used.
 

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No, straight comma sharingan would see through it. Even if the databook only states that it has better tracking, it's also made by Kishi's editors, and as such, might not have noticed everything. It flat-out gives better detection abilities in comparison to other sharingans. Case in point.

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There's no denying Kishi's own writing that straight-comma sharingan gives even better visual analysis. He was the only one who could recognize Hashirama's clones as clones. Clones are identical to the user, so there's some serious visual power behind the ability to recognize clones. It can notice what not even the Byakugan can, so it should be able to see through Mu's jutsu, or at least recognize that a jutsu's being used.
That proves absolutely nothing in regards to my point. That scan reveals that Madara is the only one we know of so far who can differentiate clones and such, which alludes to the EMS's enhanced ability to distinguish chakra forms. However, Mū has no visible chakra signature nor chakra form while he's invisible.
 
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