Is this really shonen manga concept?

[Ansatsuken]

Love Hina, G.E, Kangoku gakuen, Rurouni kenshin, GTO are millions sellers in japan and worldwide .

Love hina was ****in popular on his time ( winning multiple shonen awards), G.E too sold like hell.
Kangoku gakuen is taking all manga awards on shonen, Rurouni kenshin is one of the most known samurai shonen worldwide, they are still making movies even though it ended 15 years ago.
GTO is the most known school related shonen making millions, having drama recently even though it ended 13 years ago.

If you just know recent big names then you know nothing about manga nor shonen and have no place to act like an analyst ^^

But all that is not important to me, I'm only want an answer related to fighting Shonen manga, not ecchi Shonen manga, and other non fighting Shonen manga.

Google is at my finger now, I just type and found anything related to Shonen. But still big shonen of today is Fighting base Shonen.

I can fill my self with any info about various type of Shonen, by my interest as of now is Fighting base Shonen.

And the question is, was this MC get everything or become more powerful than anyone is one of Shonen or Fighting Shonen concepts?

 

[Dockinabix]

And the question is, was this MC get everything or become more powerful than anyone is one of Shonen or Fighting Shonen concepts?

I responded to that already ^^

edit:

But still big shonen of today is Fighting base Shonen.

Detective conan is regularly top ranking at each vol, and it's not combat shonen ^^

 

[Ansatsuken]

In Japan we have a saying that the three concepts of Shonen Jump (not shonen manga as a whole, as there are many different shonen manga not only found in that magazine) are hardwork, friendship, and victory. These are the the three themes that you will find in every Shonen Jump manga, dating back to the origins.

Because each manga is different, and each author's concept of "strength" is different, there will be times when the protagonist is not the strongest character shown in the manga by the end of the story (Goku most certainly was not.) However, that is not what we consider to be an important issue, and it is definitely not the "point" of the shonen manga. Strength by itself is not a lesson that we aim to teach children, and this is exactly WHY the protagonists win in SPITE of not always being stronger than the main antagonist.

What do you think?

Yeah, your point is what I'm looking for, all this time I always thought that MC will getting more powerful than the others in the end. That's mean the series got no point but seriously Naruto is the worst regarding of this thing compared to DB. Naruto never failed to have a problem, he always in safe mode after pain arc end.

I hope other fighting base Shonen manga (OP, FT, Bleach, Toriko, SnK, H×H, etc) not following Naruto foot step

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Yeah, your point is what I'm looking for, all this time I always thought that MC will getting more powerful than the others in the end. That's mean the series got no point but seriously Naruto is the worst regarding of this thing compared to DB. Naruto never failed to have a problem, he always in safe mode after pain arc end.

I hope other fighting base Shonen manga (OP, FT, Bleach, Toriko, SnK, H×H, etc) not following Naruto foot step

I don't think I understand what you mean by "Naruto never failed(?) to have a problem, he always in safe mode after pain arc end."
If you mean that he never struggled since then, you would be wrong. In fact, Pain was the beginning of his real struggles. He ended the arc a local hero, and from there he had the uphill challenge of becoming a whole wide hero. His quest to save Sasuke became more difficult due to Sasuke actively becoming an antagonist (up until this point Sasuke was was antagonistic due to their conflicting goals.) Naruto also had to confront everything that he had previously been running from (the kyuubi control, his own inner darkness, bringing peace to the world while maintaining his nindo, etc.)

Naruto did in fact find himself in a situation where he would have died had it not been for the combined efforts of Obito, Kakashi, zombie Minato (deus ex,) Gaara, and Sakura. I don't think I understand you, so please explain more thoroughly.

 

[Conspirator.]

Shonen: a genre of Japanese comics and animated films aimed primarily at a young male audience, typically characterized by action-filled plots.

It has nothing to do with how strong the main character gets. However, the reason you see this often is because authors know that young boys prefer action and less plot. But it isn't a requirement.

Basically this.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I don't think I understand what you mean by "Naruto never failed(?) to have a problem, he always in safe mode after pain arc end."
If you mean that he never struggled since then, you would be wrong. In fact, Pain was the beginning of his real struggles. He ended the arc a local hero, and from there he had the uphill challenge of becoming a whole wide hero. His quest to save Sasuke became more difficult due to Sasuke actively becoming an antagonist (up until this point Sasuke was was antagonistic due to their conflicting goals.) Naruto also had to confront everything that he had previously been running from (the kyuubi control, his own inner darkness, bringing peace to the world while maintaining his nindo, etc.)

Naruto did in fact find himself in a situation where he would have died had it not been for the combined efforts of Obito, Kakashi, zombie Minato (deus ex,) Gaara, and Sakura. I don't think I understand you, so please explain more thoroughly.

Maybe the way Kishi wrote Naruto plot when he obtained KCM and BSM turn the fight less intense, Juubi attack didnt faze Naruto because he had Kurama power and befriend with it although at one point he lost his chakra temporarily and then Sakura help healed him and then Minato came in, Naruto recover back. At one point get his chakra back. No one try to attack him when he lost his chakra, plot cover him all the time.

But still in Juubito arc I'm able to saw Naruto struggled although plot protected him.

But when its come to Kaguya arc, there is where plot is on his side everytime, he able to fought with Kaguya OK, unfaze by her overwhelming power. No tiredness or injury is shown there, he shiny like always with RSM cloak.

Yeah sure they are struggled to defeat Kaguya, but what I saw was Kaguya is struggled to defeat Naruto alone.

Even SSJ3 Goku in DBZ struggled hard to defeat Kid Buu.

I want to see a fight that characters can show his struggle and limit, but when it no where to be found, this is why this thread is created, MC is given everything or more powerful than previous person

That sum it up a little about my thought.

 

[KingHashirama]

Naruto will never be stronger than Rikudou or Kaguya.

However, he is the strongest shinobi. Considering the fact Kaguya and Rikudou were not shinobi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hajime no ippo is different.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Maybe the way Kishi wrote Naruto plot when he obtained KCM and BSM turn the fight less intense, Juubi attack didnt faze Naruto because he had Kurama power and befriend with it although at one point he lost his chakra temporarily and then Sakura help healed him and then Minato came in, Naruto recover back. At one point get his chakra back. No one try to attack him when he lost his chakra, plot cover him all the time.

But still in Juubito arc I'm able to saw Naruto struggled although plot protected him.

But when its come to Kaguya arc, there is where plot is on his side everytime, he able to fought with Kaguya OK, unfaze by her overwhelming power. No tiredness or injury is shown there, he shiny like always with RSM cloak.

Yeah sure they are struggled to defeat Kaguya, but what I saw was Kaguya is struggled to defeat Naruto alone.

Even SSJ3 Goku in DBZ struggled hard to defeat Kid Buu.

I want to see a fight that characters can show his struggle and limit, but when it no where to be found, this is why this thread is created, MC is given everything or more powerful than previous person

That sum it up a little about my thought.

Kaguya was not struggling with Naruto. The entire fight was actually constantly reminding us that, had not EVERY one of those standing against Kaguya been there, everyone would have died. Because they did not show Naruto, say, coughing up blood or on one knee holding one arm, does not mean that he was not struggling. And also, let us not forget that Kaguya was not the endpoint of Naruto's story, but rather it was Sasuke. And he lost an arm, a lot of blood, and almost his life in that fight.

What do you think?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kaguya was not struggling with Naruto. The entire fight was actually constantly reminding us that, had not EVERY one of those standing against Kaguya been there, everyone would have died. Because they did not show Naruto, say, coughing up blood or on one knee holding one arm, does not mean that he was not struggling. And also, let us not forget that Kaguya was not the endpoint of Naruto's story, but rather it was Sasuke. And he lost an arm, a lot of blood, and almost his life in that fight.

What do you think?

I dont know what to said but for me its like Kishi not put a deep focus on Rikudou Madara and Kaguya arc. He wrote all the plots for that arc like he want us to believe/accept that what actually happen, Madara keep got beating first from guy and then from MC and primary character, after he got his other rinnegan and third eye, he got stab by BZ, how I want to believe that is really a plots of how Madara get defeat, He never did many thing as Juubi jin.

And the point is Naruto or Sasuke never struggled on facing with Rikudou Madara, only Madara keep on running and get beat by Good side

And then Kaguya is entering the plot, and we knew very well where it goes.

But why Naruto got his sever injuries(losing a hand) while fighting with Sasuke, not Kaguya or Rikudou Madara?

That is mean Kaguya arc or Madara arc is just fan services arc or Kishi inconsistency

But I dont want to associate it with my above statement because its already became cannon story. What has Kishi wrote is what actually happen.

That give you a clue that MC he is become more powerful than previous person he fought.

 

[Transcendence]

Shonen refers to the target audience. Hence a younger male populace flocks to a story that has action involving fighting in it. Main characters being the most powerful is just a common trope, but it doesn't happen in every manga.

Even if End of Saga Goku was even slightly above Super Buu with no one absorbed, Mystic Gohan would still be above him seeing as how badly he was stomping Super Buu. Naruto isn't as powerful as Kaguya. The list goes on.