America bashing justified?

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The oil that you used to buy. Not anymore after 2003-2011.
What...? Man what are you talking about bro. I'm confused as to where your evidence is from? Because we import less oil means we are stealing more? What kind of retarded logic is that? By your logic before 1999 we were stealing unimaginable amounts of oil from Iraq because we were barely importing any oil at all.
 

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What...? Man what are you talking about bro. I'm confused as to where your evidence is from? Because we import less oil means we are stealing more? What kind of retarded logic is that? By your logic before 1999 we were stealing unimaginable amounts of oil from Iraq because we were barely importing any oil at all.

For Christ sake! I posted a goddamn link for you to read, that says how much the U.S. had taken from Iraq regarding the oil and patrol.
 

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1. I'm not racist.
2. I never said that. My experiences don't coincide with my opinion with Americans as a whole. There are general opinions (stereotypes if you will) which commonly are shown (what I've come across) but don't dare try and tell me I openly go and say "Oh because you're American I'm not going to like you". That's absolutely stupid. If you're arrogant, whether you're American or not, I won't like you. And with the way you're attacking my posts and making judgments without even knowing me as a person as at all, I can quite easily lump you in there with the arrogant Americans I've met.
1. Didn't call you a racist, I implied your mindset is very similar.
2. I didn't judge you without knowing you. I judged you by previous posts and views on 'Americans'.

Just because something is a stereotype doesn't mean it is right to believe. Lmao.
 

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For Christ sake! I posted a goddamn link for you to read, that says how much the U.S. had taken from Iraq regarding the oil and patrol.
I feel like you aren't reading my posts brother.
 

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lol, it's the other around.
No brother, look at what you're telling me. What you're saying is the US started stealing oil in March of 1997, according to your graph. Explain what you're telling me man.
 

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I don't think you even know what you talking about. But that's okay I didn't come to bother, I also don't know what I talk about most of the time anyway.

This is also true ^
You don't quite understand their foreign and domestic policies, do you? Lol
Not at all, thus why I made the thread, to notice at least some.
 

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No brother, look at what you're telling me. What you're saying is the US started stealing oil in March of 1997, according to your graph. Explain what you're telling me man.

Man you need to know that it isn't just about the physical oil. The US wants All Oil in the world to be exclusively sold in USD, that's the most important thing.

Research a bit about the petrodollar and Nixon's deal with KSA in the 70s.

Imagine what would happen in OPEC countries stop selling their Oil in USD for a little while and you can understand the US's dilemma.
 

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Man you need to know that it isn't just about the physical oil. The US wants All Oil in the world to be exclusively sold in USD, that's the most important thing.

Research a bit about the petrodollar and Nixon's deal with KSA in the 70s.

Imagine what would happen in OPEC countries stop selling their Oil in USD for a little while and you can understand the US's dilemma.

I think you mean Canada or Venezuela. Compared to those two, the middle east's contribution to the US's oil is insignificant. Not to mention our own natural reserves. We would be fine.
 

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I think you mean Canada or Venezuela. Compared to those two, the middle east's contribution to the US's oil is insignificant. Not to mention our own natural reserves. We would be fine.

You still don't get it.

Read this:
 

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So it's justified because the majority of those who represent(politicians, presidents, etc) America usually are selfish, and have been known to "**** shit up" under the disguise of good cop to benefit themselves?

Considering some of the events I've read are literally engraved in it's history, and not in the slightest conspiracies.
I agree, I guess it has reason to it.

Moreover I thought the bashing not only was aimed at those who majorly display America's image, but further into it.
Which isn't the case.
 

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I'm American and Trans is obsessed with me U_U
 

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This is the same mindset racists have.

"Oh I work with a black guy name Steve and he's a great guy, but I really can't like him as a person because he's black."

You let the place where someone lives determine who they are as a person? Nice man.

American is a race...also what he said is true most people don't even know anything about Israel and Palestine yet they will talk smack....
 

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American is a race...also what he said is true most people don't even know anything about Israel and Palestine yet they will talk smack....

American is a nationality, not a race...
That's practically saying an asain who's lived here for five years has become of a new race..
 

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American is a nationality, not a race...
That's practically saying an asain who's lived here for five years has become of a new race..

lol that is what I meant....since he called the other guy a racist...
 

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Haven't read up in more modern history, so I can't say for sure, however, most of the comments regarding American hate tends to be a bunch of idiotic rambling most of the times. People are fooling themselves if they think USA is the only country with a dark side/past. I've never understood the "oil" myth. Our prices only went down recently, due to Sadie Arabia lowering it recently. Whatever we've been going into the Middle East for, it certainly wasn't low oil prices, as we don't have them.
 

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Oh god leave your theories to yourself.

Except the Nixon dealings did happen, and is common knowledge at this point. In order to purchase oil on the international market (i.e., purchase oil from any market but your home market), you need to utilize the USD in order to do so. This props up the strength of the dollar, as demand for the dollar goes up drastically because of this limitation. This pretty much allowed any imports to be drastically cheaper than exports, because it cost other countries that didn't use the USD on other international markets (say for furniture) more money to purchase those goods produced in the United States than if the United States would from their own countries. Add onto this stuff such as the NAFTA, which eliminated tariffs and eased regulations toward workers, and you begin to see why American industry began to die in the 70s, when the Nixon deal was struck, and accelerated greatly in the 80s and 90s. Essentially, United States corporations have a better hand than the corporations of many other countries, and thus have a better lease toward exploiting the resources of other countries, as they can import in much more resources than other countries, or more accurately, ship those resources to their factories in other countries and import them into the United States. It's also because of this that the United States can import in oil from most other countries at far cheaper prices than most other countries, unless said countries try to create deals between one another, most of which are crushed pretty quickly.
 

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Except the Nixon dealings did happen, and is common knowledge at this point. In order to purchase oil on the international market (i.e., purchase oil from any market but your home market), you need to utilize the USD in order to do so. This props up the strength of the dollar, as demand for the dollar goes up drastically because of this limitation. This pretty much allowed any imports to be drastically cheaper than exports, because it cost other countries that didn't use the USD on other international markets (say for furniture) more money to purchase those goods produced in the United States than if the United States would from their own countries. Add onto this stuff such as the NAFTA, which eliminated tariffs and eased regulations toward workers, and you begin to see why American industry began to die in the 70s, when the Nixon deal was struck, and accelerated greatly in the 80s and 90s. Essentially, United States corporations have a better hand than the corporations of many other countries, and thus have a better lease toward exploiting the resources of other countries, as they can import in much more resources than other countries, or more accurately, ship those resources to their factories in other countries and import them into the United States. It's also because of this that the United States can import in oil from most other countries at far cheaper prices than most other countries, unless said countries try to create deals between one another, most of which are crushed pretty quickly.


So where do you think this stolen oil went? You also haven't answered my statement that regardless of how cheap they got it from the Middle East, they were importing up to 2x-3x more from Canada and Mexico and Venezuela. So even if we were getting it cheap, that shit makes no significant difference other than some oil tycoon making bank(and surprisingly enough they are mostly from the middle east, I wonder why :rolleyes: (I'm hoping you get my implication)).

@Bold, China? $17.5 Billion dollar trade a year? Iraq soon to be the worlds third largest exporter of oil? But we're getting it uber cheap right? Lol




Lol What's your excuse for this one? "It's the CIA dressing up as Mexicans" :rolleyes:
 

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So where do you think this stolen oil went? You also haven't answered my statement that regardless of how cheap they got it from the Middle East, they were importing up to 2x-3x more from Canada and Mexico and Venezuela. So even if we were getting it cheap, that shit makes no significant difference other than some oil tycoon making bank(and surprisingly enough they are mostly from the middle east, I wonder why :rolleyes: (I'm hoping you get my implication)).

@Bold, China? $17.5 Billion dollar trade a year? Iraq soon to be the worlds third largest exporter of oil? But we're getting it uber cheap right? Lol




Lol What's your excuse for this one? "It's the CIA dressing up as Mexicans" :rolleyes:

A couple of things here:

1.) The whole stolen oil thing you have going on here is a red herring when it comes to addressing my points. Thus the link you provided is useless. Try to keep the people you're addressing here straight.

2.) Iraq and Venezuela are both OPEC members, thus to buy their oil you need to use USD.

3.) The canadian dollar and peso both are considerably cheaper than the USD because of the USD being the reserve currency for the OPEC oil. As of right now, a Canadian dollar could purchase $0.80 in goods from the United States, and the peso a measly $0.06 in goods from the United States. Thus, we can still purchase their goods for cheaper than they can ours (especially because of the NAFTA trade agreement mentioned in my last post, which eliminated many tariffs that made this less possible).

Thus:

So even if we were getting it cheap, that shit makes no significant difference other than some oil tycoon making bank(and surprisingly enough they are mostly from the middle east, I wonder why :rolleyes: (I'm hoping you get my implication)).

This stuff does make a difference on an international level. Thing is, none of us here are international players, so we tend to get the short end of the stick in terms of costs.
 
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