Prime Hiruzen's DB stats.

[~Uzumaki~]

Tobirama mastered all elements too >_>

 

[KingHashirama]

Guess that Hiruzen isn't really a "God of Shinobi" or anything for that matter.

:|

Also, Hagoromo isn't a Shinobi, how can he be a "God of Shinobi" yet not even be one? :leaf:

Even as an Edo Hiruzen didn't show any real feats worthy of the title "God of Shinobi" and his hype. :|

I will not deny using all elements, that was an amazing feat, but that hardly makes one a "God of Shinobi".

- Hagoromo = Starts the shinobi Sect (teaches people about chakra and so on)

- Hashirama = Organizes the Shinobi sect (starting of the shinobi villages and etc)

- Hiruzen = Brings it closer and nurtures the shinobi sect (Hokage through all 3 shinobi wars)

- Naruto = Brings out the full potential of the shinobi sect (unites the shinobi)

Its only a matter of time before Naruto is also called "Shinobi no kami".


Those 4 are basically the milestones of the shinobi era. He apparently has alot of feats in the manga, that were not shown on screen. That is why you aren't supposed to judge things by the cover.. but actually look into the words and the events and etc in the manga. If we only go by whats shown on screen.. you'd be having people claiming "ninja don't sleep that much" "ninja can go days without food" and so on.

Tobirama mastered all elements too >_>

no he didn't. He had the capability.

 

[Yokaze Sama]

Hiruzen never soloed anyone, he couldn't even kill Orochimaru. Not that Orochimaru isn't strong, but Itachi defeated him twice without any effort, as well did Sasuke (even tho he was weakened).

 

[Flakez]

A fanfiction character would surely have perfect score.

 

[The Legendary Noob]

isn't this obv?

 

[super yang]

wth is a databook score?

 

[jimbobbity]

Hiruzen never soloed anyone, he couldn't even kill Orochimaru. Not that Orochimaru isn't strong, but Itachi defeated him twice without any effort, as well did Sasuke (even tho he was weakened).

Hiruzen was old asf. Orochimaru even stated that had Hiruzen been younger, he would have died.

 

[Char Aznable]

Part 2 Kakashi in the beginning has higher stats than Hiruzen.

 

[KingHashirama]

Part 2 Kakashi in the beginning has higher stats than Hiruzen.

Hiruzen = 35

Kakashi = 34

 

[Bolt Rules]

Manga stated that Prime Hiruzen's power belongs to a class of godlike ninjas. As such it employs an analytic method. This means that the elements which comprise this statement are not based on hypothesis but on empirical discovery. The empirical discovery leads to understanding the general characteristics of ninjutsu processes. Chakra models are then developed to describe accurately the observed ninjutsu processes. Therefore, by analytical means the necessary conditions that have to be satisfied are deduced. Separate events must satisfy these conditions. Experience should then match the conclusion that Prime Hiruzen has a perfect score of 5 in everything.

 

[EliteKakashi]

People try to use Orochimaru claiming Hashirama as God of Shinobi meaning it retconned Hiruzen's title, when if they'd just read what Orochimaru actually said to the both of them, there would be no confusion. I'll just quote myself from another thread:

Hiruzen was likely referred to as God of Shinobi for his ability to use all 5(well, 7 counting Yin/Yang) elemental abilities at an elite level(something unheard of), on top of his kindness/generosity towards others.

It's also important to remember the phrasing Orochimaru uses when he calls each of them God of Shinobi.

What he said to Hiruzen was he who was HAILED as God of Shinobi

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Meaning he is not calling him a God himself, he is saying Hiruzen had been praised as such, likely by the people of Konoha.

What he said to Hashirama is completely different. He straight up refers to him as the God of Shinobi.

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[Aznkidd]

So can anyone show me anyone else having mastery over the 5 elements like Hiruzen?

- Hashirama didn't have it
- Rikudou didn't have it
- Naruto ain't got it
- Sasuke got it
- Nagato didn't have it


Mastering the 5 elements without some kkg is f*cking OP.. and on top of that the combat forms.


Hashirama is A god of shinobi

Hiruzen is A god of shinobi

Hagoromo is A god of shinobi.

There is no "THE " God of shinobi. Of course Hashirama has the bigger title of "God of shinobi". BUT that does not mean Hiruzen's "god of shinobi" title that some people gave him means nothing...

Hes easily above the Sanin, and hes easily above Minato.

Are you dumb, naruto shoot all elements at kaguya... stop being blindful to ur fav and try to downgrade other...

 

[VongolaX]

Show me Hiruzen using FTG, Byakugan, Kotoamatsukami, etc.

Doujustu ninjustu and other kekkai genkai ninjustus are not the leaf village's ninjustus.

He just knows the techniques to pass the genin exam.

Shuriken Justu, shadow clone technique, and substitution Justus are examples of the leaf's ninjustus.

 

[startup97]

Doujustu ninjustu and other kekkai genkai ninjustus are not the leaf village's ninjustus.

He just knows the techniques to pass the genin exam.

Shuriken Justu, shadow clone technique, and substitution Justus are examples of the leaf's ninjustus.

According to the 4th Databook. His jutsu mastery also extends to the Hidan techniques as well.

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

This might be hurt but sakura can neg him. Can anyone explain how hiruzen will be fight sakura.

That's beyond retarded.....

One Sakura can't handle Orochimaru, while Old Hiruzen fought against Edo 1st and 2nd and Orochi.

 

[KingHashirama]

Are you dumb, naruto shoot all elements at kaguya... stop being blindful to ur fav and try to downgrade other...

You are not a smart one.

Naruto himself did not cast the elements, he used the pre-existing chakra of the tailed beasts. That "elemental" attack you are referring to is simply the chakra of other tailed beasts..

People try to use Orochimaru claiming Hashirama as God of Shinobi meaning it retconned Hiruzen's title, when if they'd just read what Orochimaru actually said to the both of them, there would be no confusion. I'll just quote myself from another thread:

In the VIZ scan , Orochimaru says "A god of shinobi" not "THE god of shinobi"


Of course Hashirama is on another level compared to all the ninja that existed after him except Naruto/Sasuke..Hence why those who knew about his power put him on a higher level. And even worldwide his strength was put on a bigger level than Hiruzen's. BUT that doesn't degrade Hiruzen's prowess.

No shinobi after Hiruzen has surpassed him (except Naruto and Sasuke).

 

[Aznkidd]

You are not a smart one.

Naruto himself did not cast the elements, he used the pre-existing chakra of the tailed beasts. That "elemental" attack you are referring to is simply the chakra of other tailed beasts..



In the VIZ scan , Orochimaru says "A god of shinobi" not "THE god of shinobi"


Of course Hashirama is on another level compared to all the ninja that existed after him except Naruto/Sasuke..Hence why those who knew about his power put him on a higher level. And even worldwide his strength was put on a bigger level than Hiruzen's. BUT that doesn't degrade Hiruzen's prowess.

No shinobi after Hiruzen has surpassed him (except Naruto and Sasuke).

haha, ninja use what ever they have to spell out the jutsu and now you say that it is not even revelant ? how can you be that stupid ?
just keep ur own fiction to ur self, the fact is the fact. If he can shoot it once time in life or few times, it still counts and you have absolutely no manga fact to backup ur stupid theory that naruto can not shoot out all five elements at this time

 

[startup97]

You are not a smart one.

Naruto himself did not cast the elements, he used the pre-existing chakra of the tailed beasts. That "elemental" attack you are referring to is simply the chakra of other tailed beasts..



In the VIZ scan , Orochimaru says "A god of shinobi" not "THE god of shinobi"


Of course Hashirama is on another level compared to all the ninja that existed after him except Naruto/Sasuke..Hence why those who knew about his power put him on a higher level. And even worldwide his strength was put on a bigger level than Hiruzen's. BUT that doesn't degrade Hiruzen's prowess.

No shinobi after Hiruzen has surpassed him (except Naruto and Sasuke).

You have gained my respect King.