BSM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

wasnt madara susanoo at the time boosted by kyuubi chakra plus hashiramas sage mode?

Sage Mode? Yeah...but Kurama? Why would Madara have Kurama's chakra?

 

[juzumaki]

Sage Mode? Yeah...but Kurama? Why would Madara have Kurama's chakra?

the chakra he absorbed from the shinobi

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[KidGamer65]

the chakra he absorbed from the shinobi

He barely absorbed anything...not to mention he didn't have a cloak, so no.

 

[juzumaki]

He barely absorbed anything...not to mention he didn't have a cloak, so no.

you dont have to have a cloak for it to take effect when kakshi first got it is a prime example and he absored everything said shinobi had so you cant say its barely anything

 

[KidGamer65]

you dont have to have a cloak for it to take effect when kakshi first got it is a prime example and he absored everything said shinobi had so you cant say its barely anything

When it didn't form a cloak I can say that it didn't do much, irrelevant of how much he absorbed from the Shinobi. If he absorbed a cloak, but didn't get one of his own, it means the chakra had zero effect on him. If his Susanoo was buffed by 3x (same Kakashi got) it wouldn't have remained the same size.

 

[juzumaki]

When it didn't form a cloak I can say that it didn't do much, irrelevant of how much he absorbed from the Shinobi. If he absorbed a cloak, but didn't get one of his own, it means the chakra had zero effect on him. If his Susanoo was buffed by 3x (same Kakashi got) it wouldn't have remained the same size.

the cloak he absorbed was yin +yang kurama cloak so it would have been a 6 x boost like you said not sure where the numbers came from seeing as though Kakashi estimated the transfer to be even greater than when Kurama performed it with him, which increased his Kamui three-fold with yin Kurama it should be even stronger in Chapter 617

he wouldnt have gotten a cloak since Naruto/kurama wouldnt have given him one since they are the ones that gives them the cloaks eg when he boosted K11 cloaks to bijuu mode level

not saying it would have the same effect on madara seeing as though his chakra pool would obviously be bigger than kakashi and the shinobis

 

[Made in Heaven]

Naruto .

 

[KidGamer65]

the cloak he absorbed was yin +yang kurama cloak so it would have been a 6 x boost like you said not sure where the numbers came from seeing as though Kakashi estimated the transfer to be even greater than when Kurama performed it with him, which increased his Kamui three-fold with yin Kurama it should be even stronger in Chapter 617

It is, I said that 6x at least, but Madara still didn't get a cloak, so he doesn't get that power up. If he had gotten that power up, his Susanoo would obviously be the same size and power as Sasuke's at the very least.

he wouldnt have gotten a cloak since Naruto/kurama wouldnt have given him one since they are the ones that gives them the cloaks eg when he boosted K11 cloaks to bijuu mode level

Which means he has no power up.

not saying it would have the same effect on madara seeing as though his chakra pool would obviously be bigger than kakashi and the shinobis

It has nothing to do with the chakra pool of the user. Someone with large chakra isn't going to get a smaller boost than someone with smaller chakra.

 

[juzumaki]

It is, I said that 6x at least, but Madara still didn't get a cloak, so he doesn't get that power up. If he had gotten that power up, his Susanoo would obviously be the same size and power as Sasuke's at the very least.


Which means he has no power up.



It has nothing to do with the chakra pool of the user. Someone with large chakra isn't going to get a smaller boost than someone with smaller chakra.

him not getting a cloak doesnt stop the effect it has on the receiver

his suasnoo would have change aswell with sage mode but it didnt so its most likely another inconsistency on kishi's part but that doesnt s change the fact that he had both hashis sage mode plus narutos yin/yang kurama chakra

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Sasuke low diffs with these conditions

Also replying to something I saw earlier: Sasuke's PS > Madara's PS

 

[KidGamer65]

him not getting a cloak doesnt stop the effect it has on the receiver

That's exactly what it means. You are telling me he got the cloak's power up, without having a cloak. That makes no sense.

his suasnoo would have change aswell with sage mode but it didnt so its most likely another inconsistency on kishi's part but that doesnt s change the fact that he had both hashis sage mode plus narutos yin/yang kurama chakra

Nope. It wouldn't. Sage Mode=/=Kyuubi's Chakra. Sage Mode can power up Rasengan, yet the Rasengan doesn't get bigger. Same thing here. Madara didn't have anything but Sage Mode powering him up. Period.

 

[TheSages456]

empowering an uchihas chakra only makes susano stronger in the sense that it allows susano to evolve to its next form. it doesnt make existing forms of susano stronger. susano gets no more powerful past the complete body form.

sasuke wins since kurama is not a match for PS without being enhanced by six paths senjutsu.

 

[juzumaki]

That's exactly what it means. You are telling me he got the cloak's power up, without having a cloak. That makes no sense.

the chakra... is what causes the the power up

Nope. It wouldn't. Sage Mode=/=Kyuubi's Chakra. Sage Mode can power up Rasengan, yet the Rasengan doesn't get bigger. Same thing here. Madara didn't have anything but Sage Mode powering him up. Period.

so youre saying even though it powered up everyone else madara wasnt affected :yeah: BS

 

[KidGamer65]

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the chakra... is what causes the the power up

so youre saying even though it powered up everyone else madara wasnt affected :yeah: BS

Did Madara get a cloak? No. Case closed. There is no more argument on this topic. He absorbed the chakra, and it merely became his own chakra, not a cloak that powers him up.

 

[Zee U]

It's like KG said. When someone absorbs chakra, regardless of the quality, it's gets converted in the user's own chakra (DB said this regarding Preta Path, and it's true seeing Sasuke got no boost when he absorbed Yin Kurama's chakra from Naruto. The same for Kisame, and Madara seems to be using Preta Path too). Besides if Madara got an actual boost, why didn't he bother absorbing more chakra from the fodders near him?

 

[juzumaki]

Did Madara get a cloak? No. Case closed. There is no more argument on this topic. He absorbed the chakra, and it merely became his own chakra, not a cloak that powers him up.

obviously that how the the tech works if naruto or kurama doesnt transform it to match the user it doesnt have immediate effect unlesss the user transforms said chakra to match theirs eg what happened to sasuke after he took it at Vote 2 we even see madara regen after he absorbs the chakra and youre telling me it had no effect

the cloak isnt what powers them up it the chakra like i said before did kakshi have a cloak when it improve his kamui threefold? no.

 

[juzumaki]

It's like KG said. When someone absorbs chakra, regardless of the quality, it's gets converted in the user's own chakra (DB said this regarding Preta Path, and it's true seeing Sasuke got no boost when he absorbed Yin Kurama's chakra from Naruto. The same for Kisame, and Madara seems to be using Preta Path too). Besides if Madara got an actual boost, why didn't he bother absorbing more chakra from the fodders near him?

why would he need to if he was confident it was enough

 

[KidGamer65]

obviously that how the the tech works if naruto or kurama doesnt transform it to match the user it doesnt have immediate effect unlesss the user transforms said chakra to match theirs eg what happened to sasuke after he took it at Vote 2 we even see madara regen after he absorbs the chakra and youre telling me it had no effect

Meaning they don't get the boost a cloaked person would get.

That's Madara's ability, as he later stated himself. Not because of the chakra.

the cloak isnt what powers them up it the chakra like i said before did kakshi have a cloak when it improve his kamui threefold? no.

The cloak is the chakra. If there is no cloak, he's not getting a boost anywhere close to the one Sasuke got, and the rest is irrelevant cause his Susanoo showed to have no boost in power or size by threefold, as I already stated.

 

[juzumaki]

Meaning they don't get the boost a cloaked person would get.

That's Madara's ability, as he later stated himself. Not because of the chakra.

are you saying it was a coincidence that as soon as he started absorbing the chakra the wound closed

The cloak is the chakra. If there is no cloak, he's not getting a boost anywhere close to the one Sasuke got, and the rest is irrelevant cause his Susanoo showed to have no boost in power or size by threefold, as I already stated.

doesnt change the fact that he still gets a boost whats so hard to understand about that

 

[KidGamer65]

are you saying it was a coincidence that as soon as he started absorbing the chakra the wound closed

Either the ability was triggered by chakra intake, or it's a coincidence, cause Madara already stated how he can heal. Absorbing Kyuubi Chakra has NEVER healed anyone. Ever.

doesnt change the fact that he still gets a boost whats so hard to understand about that

Except he didn't, what's so hard to understand about that? His Susanoo WAS NOT 3x stronger. I suggest you show me this boost Madara had before you post again.