Shikotsumyaku vs Mokuton

[BlacLord™]

Hmmm...I guess Kishimoto changed it up, because in part one it stated that Kimimaro's bones was stronger than tempered steel

Kimimaro himself stated that he could make them as hard as tempered steel but there are three fundamental flaws with that statement:

a) Because he was speaking of his own ability, he could have been exaggerating to scare off his opponents or even just doing some blatant bragging.
2) The toughness of the bones depends on how much chakra he outputs.
3) Toughness doesn't equate to the removal of fragility. The toughest material on the earth, diamond, is vulnerable to scratching and chipping so even tempered steel level toughness isn't that special.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Hard to tell, Kaguya made it seem that both are completely even.

Ash bone was here strongest offensive attack.

While her mokuton Jukain Kouton is part of her kekkai mora.

Infinte tsukyomi which feeds on people's vital/life energy, and the usually juubi jinchuuriki tailed beast bomb via flower tree.

Shikotsumyaku is not Ash bone of Kaguya that very HAX

But just extra ordinary bone used for weapon.

 

[VongolaX]

- Can supress chakra
- wood clones

and etc.

o-o Mokuton all day imo.



o-o Pretty anyone besides Yamato and Hashirama, can't use mokuton in that good of a way. I mean just look at Madara, he only did some techniques Hashirama did, and thats it.

That's somewhat true, Yamato has a near mimicry of Hashirama's basic attacks, but what suprised me is how white zetsu/Spiral can use one major technique of Hashirama.

I agree that Madara's mokuton is nothing to get crazy about, but juubi jinchuuriki mokuton are crazy strong.

Wouldn't you agree?

Shikotsumyaku is not Ash bone of Kaguya that very HAX

But just extra ordinary bone used for weapon.

I thought Kaguya's ash bone was a kekkai mora of shikotsumyaku?

Like Kaguya's mokuton

 

[Aten]

Kimimaro himself stated that he could make them as hard as tempered steel but there are three fundamental flaws with that statement:

a) Because he was speaking of his own ability, he could have been exaggerating to scare off his opponents or even just doing some blatant bragging.
2) The toughness of the bones depends on how much chakra he outputs.
3) Toughness doesn't equate to the removal of fragility. The toughest material on the earth, diamond, is vulnerable to scratching and chipping so even tempered steel level toughness isn't that special.

But I want you to keep in mind that this thread is base on both of the Kekkei Genkai itself. Not Hashirama and Kimimaro. Like we said, it's base on the users amount of chakra they put into their Kekkei Genkai..

I don't think Kimimaro was exaggerating about that. It can't be proven that he was neither. As far as that samurai's sword, Kimimaro was an Edo Tensei. He probably wasn't brought back with full strength to put the amount of chakra he needed to withstand the samurai's blade

 

[KingHashirama]

That's somewhat true, Yamato has a near mimicry of Hashirama's basic attacks, but what suprised me is how white zetsu/Spiral can use one major technique of Hashirama.

I agree that Madara's mokuton is nothing to get crazy about, but juubi jinchuuriki mokuton are crazy strong.

Wouldn't you agree?

The hundred hand buddha isn't really a major technique compared to Hashirama's techs in my opinion that is. Yea oh man if Hashirama had been the Juubi's jinchuriki, that mokuton would've been OP. Since the juubi itself is made of mokuton.

 

[VongolaX]

The hundred hand buddha isn't really a major technique compared to Hashirama's techs in my opinion that is. Yea oh man if Hashirama had been the Juubi's jinchuriki, that mokuton would've been OP. Since the juubi itself is made of mokuton.

By major technique I mean his main mokuton summonings he use to battle.

Spiral zetsu did a non Senpou Buddah.

White zetsu was said to do Wood human/golem.

Madara with senju cells used wood dragon.

Hashirama can summon and utilize all three with his sagemode.

If Hashirama had the juubi, his mokuton will be on another level. Better than Kaguya imo.
The only reason why he can't is because it's a specific kekkai genkai that requires both uchiha and senju, so Hashirama will need some uchiha transplant/eyes.

By uchiha and senju I mean Indra and Ashura.

 

[KingHashirama]

By major technique I mean his main mokuton summonings he use to battle.

Spiral zetsu did a non Senpou Buddah.

White zetsu was said to do Wood human/golem.

Madara with senju cells used wood dragon.

Hashirama can summon and utilize all three with his sagemode.

If Hashirama had the juubi, his mokuton will be on another level. Better than Kaguya imo.
The only reason why he can't is because it's a specific kekkai genkai that requires both uchiha and senju, so Hashirama will need some uchiha transplant/eyes.

By uchiha and senju I mean Indra and Ashura.

Hmm i think can Hashirama can become the juubi's jinchuriki due to his immense life force.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Wood style is better since its more stronger. Base mokuton grabbed and stopped a PS sword while a senjutsu enhanced shikotsumyaku got cut through easily by totsuka. Also you can actually make constructs with mokuton.

 

[VongolaX]

Hmm i think can Hashirama can become the juubi's jinchuriki due to his immense life force.

He needs to be able to control the Gedo mazou first, utilize all nine bijuus, and hold an ocular kekkai genkai like the sharingan or rinnegan.


DB IV said that coffin seal is a kekkai genkai and it's the sage's seal that was passed down.

 

[KingHashirama]

He needs to be able to control the Gedo mazou first, utilize all nine bijuus, and hold an ocular kekkai genkai like the sharingan or rinnegan.


DB IV said that coffin seal is a kekkai genkai and it's the sage's seal that was passed down.

ahh you are right on that.

 

[Aten]

Wood style is better since its more stronger. Base mokuton grabbed and stopped a PS sword while a senjutsu enhanced shikotsumyaku got cut through easily by totsuka. Also you can actually make constructs with mokuton.

In what chapter it got cut through by totsuka?

Oh Mokuton got cut through with hiruzen's monkey staff

 

[Demonic.]

Bones or wood, what a choice...

This guy XD

 

[Seventh Sama]

In what chapter it got cut through by totsuka?

Oh Mokuton got cut through with hiruzen's monkey staff

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But that mokuton was from the weakest version of Hashirama. :|

 

[Aten]

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But that mokuton was from the weakest version of Hashirama. :|

Thanks for the picture, but please tell me what chapter. Also hiruzen's staff cut through the juubi's Mokuton which is supposed to be a lot stronger than Hashirama's.

Also Tobirama Senju easily cut through it with water ninjutsu. I'm NOT saying Mokuton is weak, I'm just saying that Mokuton can be cut through just as easy as Shikotsumyaku. But please tell me the chapter, because I miss out on that panel. I've never seen it before.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Thanks for the picture, but please tell me what chapter. Also hiruzen's staff cut through the juubi's Mokuton which is supposed to be a lot stronger than Hashirama's.

Also Tobirama Senju easily cut through it with water ninjutsu. I'm NOT saying Mokuton is weak, I'm just saying that Mokuton can be cut through just as easy as Shikotsumyaku. But please tell me the chapter, because I miss out on that panel. I've never seen it before.

I'm too lazy to search it up but reread the Sasuke & Itachi vs kabuto fight.