madara and obito comparisons.

[rinnegan human puppet]

love how only one person noticed the manga scan. lol

 

[VongolaX]

can you explain the sm madara = ms tobi pls?

Madara told Edo Hashirama that both opposing forces working together, true peace can be found.

The older brothers way to peace is power.

You already know what the databook states about uchiha's inheriting the sages yin chakra and the yang by senju's.

Spoiler

Yin-Yang Release

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Translation:
Shinobi Well-Informed Record
Yin-Yang Release Techniques The "origin's" properties are filled with great mysteries. The Yin-Yang Release techniques are analyzed here.
Six Paths The secret technique forming all creation out of nothingness and giving it life.
↓ Spiritual and physical energy. That is Yin-Yang Release.
"Yin Release", which creates form out of nothingness and "Yang Release", which breathes life into form. The one with the skill to manipulate those two attributes, the Sage of Six Paths Hagoromo Otsutsuki, developed the "Creation of All Things Technique". He also created the nine bodies of the Tailed Beasts out of the Ten-Tails chakra, making them gifts of Yin-Yang Release. After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.
↑ Naruto, who acquired Hagoromo's power, demonstrates perfect [use?] of the Yin-Yang Release power.
← In Hiden Ninjutsu, there are remains of Yin-Yang Release...!!
Hiden
Parts of Yin-Yang Release have flown into the basis of general techniques.
"For example, the Akimichi Clan increases their body mass with Yang Release, [while] the Nara Clan can expand, contract and transform shadows because of Yin Release."
Same page, but from a different translator:
Inton (Yin/Dark), which creates form from nothing, and Youton (Yang/Light), which breathes life into form. Skillfully manipulating these two elements, the Sage of Six Paths, Ootsutsuki Hagoromo, developed the Banbutsu Souzou (Creation of All Things) Jutsu. Creating the nine Bijuu out of the Juubi's chakra was also the result of Onmyouton. Afterwards, Inton was inherited more predominately in the Uchiha clan, while Youton was inherited more predominately in the Senju clan.
Then, can only the Uchiha and Senju use this power? The answer is no. For example, even without using a Sharingan, the proportional amount of genjutsu that involves "creating form from nothing" is high. Furthermore, there are many "hiden ninjutsu" passed down among specific shinobi clans that are not affiliated with any of the five nature transformations but are instead grounded in Onmyouton. For example, the Akimichi clan uses Youton to expand their bodies' size, while the Nara clan uses Inton to expand, contract, and transform shadows. In the same vein, even without being Uchiha or Senju, shinobi manipulate chakra and use jutsu, and the basis of that is said to be rooted in Onmyouton.

^^See bold^^

So by combining both clans you bring out the chakra of the sage, what's even more so is the incarnates that are within both the uchiha and senju.

Indra+Ashura..

Now Madara is an Indra incarnate and he has Hashirama's cells bring out Ashura's chakra.

Even without the his rinnegan, he still retain his powers.

He's just not going to be able to use his full power like Chibakui tensei, Limbo Hengoku, Summoning meteors, and control the mazou well enough to become juubi jinchuuriki.

While Obito is trick, he himself is not an incarnate and he would further rely on power that was borrowed or forced upon him.

We already know that he has half of Hashirama's cells in his body, giving him Ashura's chakra.

For Indra/Madara, little traces can be found with the will he embedded his body into:

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The only way for Madara to control Obito with his chakra, is by implanting chakra into his body.

Madara was like Orochimaru in a sense, he implanted his will ( curse seal) into Sasuke and manipulated him with his chakra.
Hebi Sasuke was able to learn the abilities of the white snake through the curse seal (orochimsru's chakra)

Same concept applies to Obito, since Madara left him with a huge plan.

So it wasn't just senseless hype here:

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(What Obito said about being both incarnates power in one)

Nagato and Obito were deemed the "savior," because they were the only ones with six path chakra at the time.

Blind Madara basically near mirrors ms Tobi excluding the Susanoo and kamui dependencies.

Madara may have superior mokuton for sure and better utilization of his will(six path abilities), but ms Tobi has enough to counter or save himself from those deadly moves.

There Uchihs powers alone have been seen to be surprisingly even to the point a Minato believed Tobi's visual prowess to be that of Madara's.

^^I know it's long but, this is how I see it and it's up to you to believe it or not.^^

They made Obito rely on kamui a lot like Madara relied on Susanoo.

We've only seen short displayed on both ends

 

[10th]

Madara told Edo Hashirama that both opposing forces working together, true peace can be found.

The older brothers way to peace is power.

You already know what the databook states about uchiha's inheriting the sages yin chakra and the yang by senju's.


^^See bold^^

So by combining both clans you bring out the chakra of the sage, what's even more so is the incarnates that are within both the uchiha and senju.

Indra+Ashura..

Now Madara is an Indra incarnate and he has Hashirama's cells bring out Ashura's chakra.

Even without the his rinnegan, he still retain his powers.

He's just not going to be able to use his full power like Chibakui tensei, Limbo Hengoku, Summoning meteors, and control the mazou well enough to become juubi jinchuuriki.

While Obito is trick, he himself is not an incarnate and he would further rely on power that was borrowed or forced upon him.

We already know that he has half of Hashirama's cells in his body, giving him Ashura's chakra.

For Indra/Madara, little traces can be found with the will he embedded his body into:

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You must be registered for see links

The only way for Madara to control Obito with his chakra, is by implanting chakra into his body.

Madara was like Orochimaru in a sense, he implanted his will ( curse seal) into Sasuke and manipulated him with his chakra.
Hebi Sasuke was able to learn the abilities of the white snake through the curse seal (orochimsru's chakra)

Same concept applies to Obito, since Madara left him with a huge plan.

So it wasn't just senseless hype here:

You must be registered for see links

(What Obito said about being both incarnates power in one)

Nagato and Obito were deemed the "savior," because they were the only ones with six path chakra at the time.

Blind Madara basically near mirrors ms Tobi excluding the Susanoo and kamui dependencies.

Madara may have superior mokuton for sure and better utilization of his will(six path abilities), but ms Tobi has enough to counter or save himself from those deadly moves.

There Uchihs powers alone have been seen to be surprisingly even to the point a Minato believed Tobi's visual prowess to be that of Madara's.

^^I know it's long but, this is how I see it and it's up to you to believe it or not.^^

They made Obito rely on kamui a lot like Madara relied on Susanoo.

We've only seen short displayed on both ends

WOW, what a excellent and informative post! I wish I could + rep you, but it says I have to spread some.

 

[Demonic.]

Spoiler

Madara told Edo Hashirama that both opposing forces working together, true peace can be found.

The older brothers way to peace is power.

You already know what the databook states about uchiha's inheriting the sages yin chakra and the yang by senju's.


^^See bold^^

So by combining both clans you bring out the chakra of the sage, what's even more so is the incarnates that are within both the uchiha and senju.

Indra+Ashura..

Now Madara is an Indra incarnate and he has Hashirama's cells bring out Ashura's chakra.

Even without the his rinnegan, he still retain his powers.

He's just not going to be able to use his full power like Chibakui tensei, Limbo Hengoku, Summoning meteors, and control the mazou well enough to become juubi jinchuuriki.

While Obito is trick, he himself is not an incarnate and he would further rely on power that was borrowed or forced upon him.

We already know that he has half of Hashirama's cells in his body, giving him Ashura's chakra.

For Indra/Madara, little traces can be found with the will he embedded his body into:

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

The only way for Madara to control Obito with his chakra, is by implanting chakra into his body.

Madara was like Orochimaru in a sense, he implanted his will ( curse seal) into Sasuke and manipulated him with his chakra.
Hebi Sasuke was able to learn the abilities of the white snake through the curse seal (orochimsru's chakra)

Same concept applies to Obito, since Madara left him with a huge plan.

So it wasn't just senseless hype here:

You must be registered for see links

(What Obito said about being both incarnates power in one)

Nagato and Obito were deemed the "savior," because they were the only ones with six path chakra at the time.

Blind Madara basically near mirrors ms Tobi excluding the Susanoo and kamui dependencies.

Madara may have superior mokuton for sure and better utilization of his will(six path abilities), but ms Tobi has enough to counter or save himself from those deadly moves.

There Uchihs powers alone have been seen to be surprisingly even to the point a Minato believed Tobi's visual prowess to be that of Madara's.

^^I know it's long but, this is how I see it and it's up to you to believe it or not.^^

They made Obito rely on kamui a lot like Madara relied on Susanoo.

We've only seen short displayed on both ends

Keep your retarded ass opinions to yourself or post them in the fan fiction section.

Combining Uchiha + Senju powers does not bring out Rikudo's power. Ashura chakra (Hashirama) + Indra chakra (Madara) brings out Rikudo chakra. Hagoromo specifically stated this to Naruto.

So your whole premise is trash since Obito does not posses Indra's chakra, idiot. Disliked and negged.

 

[VongolaX]

WOW, what a excellent and informative post! I wish I could + rep you, but it says I have to spread some.

Thanks for the compliment

 

[10th]

Keep your retarded ass opinions to yourself or post them in the fan fiction section.

Combining Uchiha + Senju powers does not bring out Rikudo's power. Ashura chakra (Hashirama) + Indra chakra (Madara) brings out Rikudo chakra. Hagoromo specifically stated this to Naruto.

So your whole premise is trash since Obito does not posses Indra's chakra, idiot. Disliked and negged.

Come on man, he clearly addressed Obito having Indras chakra via Madara

For Indra/Madara, little traces can be found with the will he embedded his body into:

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The only way for Madara to control Obito with his chakra, is by implanting chakra into his body.

It's fine to disagree with the above and argue your point, but let's not make it seem like Varia said something about having reg Uchiha chakra, rather than Indra.

Thanks for the compliment

np

 

[Angelic.]

Come on man, he clearly addressed Obito having Indras chakra via Madara


It's fine to disagree with the above and argue your point, but let's not make it seem like Varia said something about having reg Uchiha chakra, rather than Indra.



np

what he means is that neither obito nor madara knew about indra and ashura yet. madara thought it was just uchiha so he wouldnt give obito his own chakra to have power.
it would have been cool if obito got his own right eye rinnegan like how sasuke got his left one lol

 

[VongolaX]

Come on man, he clearly addressed Obito having Indras chakra via Madara


It's fine to disagree with the above and argue your point, but let's not make it seem like Varia said something about having reg Uchiha chakra, rather than Indra.



np

Lol dude, don't bother reading his horsesh*t.

He has no scans and he's a complete retard.

I ignored him for a reason.

What jackass would say "take your retard ass opinions," in a f*cking opinionated thread?

I already said this is the way I see it, OP has his opinion, and I gave mine.

Why is this assclown replying me in the first place?

It's not his thread so he should gtfo.

 

[10th]

what he means is that neither obito nor madara knew about indra and ashura yet. madara thought it was just uchiha so he wouldnt give obito his own chakra to have power.
it would have been cool if obito got his own rinnegan like how sasuke got his left one lol

Actually Obito knew about both sons since he told that tale to Naruto, Kakashi, and yamamoto during the kage summit. And we can deff assume that since Obito knows, Madara also knows since he is his teacher (and the stone tablet). Tho you could also mean about the two brothers transmigrating, then you would prob be right.

And yea it would be cool xD Sasuke copied Obito U_U

 

[Demonic.]

Come on man, he clearly addressed Obito having Indras chakra via Madara


It's fine to disagree with the above and argue your point, but let's not make it seem like Varia said something about having reg Uchiha chakra, rather than Indra.



np

Wtf? Madara controlling Obito with his chakra via black rods means Obito gets Indra chakra?

Actually Obito knew about both sons since he told that tale to Naruto, Kakashi, and yamamoto during the kage summit. And we can deff assume that since Obito knows, Madara also knows since he is his teacher (and the stone tablet). Tho you could also mean about the two brothers transmigrating, then you would prob be right.

And yea it would be cool xD Sasuke copied Obito U_U

Nope, Madara didn't know shit, much less Obito. Madara assumed Uchiha + Senju chakra = Rikudo chakra. Hagoromo later stated it was Ashura chakra + Indra chakra that caused Rikudo chakra to come out.

Obito knowing the tale of Ashura and Indra is irrelevant.

 

[10th]

Lol dude, don't bother reading his horsesh*t.

He has no scans and he's a complete retard.

I ignored him for a reason.

What jackass say "take your retard ass opinions," in a f*cking opinionated thread?

I already said this is the way I see it, OP has his opinion, and I gave mine.

Why is this assclown replying me in the first place?

It's not his thread so he should gtfo.

Im just trying to interpret bro xD

Wtf? Madara controlling Obito with his chakra via black rods means Obito gets Indra chakra?

It just means Madaras chakra was already infested into his body via the black rods, using his chakra in Obitos body to control him. I think that's what Varia means, it's a interesting thought and it makes sense imo.

Wtf? Madara controlling Obito with his chakra via black rods means Obito gets Indra chakra?



Nope, Madara didn't know shit, much less Obito. Madara assumed Uchiha + Senju chakra = Rikudo chakra. Hagoromo later stated it was Ashura chakra + Indra chakra that caused Rikudo chakra to come out.

Obito knowing the tale of Ashura and Indra is irrelevant.

I don't think Madara assumed just any random Senju could awaken his rinnegan, otherwise there would be much easier targets than Hashi (wood also had something to do with it).

As I said, Madara prob did not know about the whole reincarnation thing, but he knew the tale (since Obito Knew it).

That's all I said, and I am not wrong.

 

[Demonic.]

Lol dude, don't bother reading his horsesh*t.

He has no scans and he's a complete retard.

I ignored him for a reason.

What jackass would say "take your retard ass opinions," in a f*cking opinionated thread?

I already said this is the way I see it, OP has his opinion, and I gave mine.

Why is this assclown replying me in the first place?

It's not his thread so he should gtfo.

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Here's your scan retard

Im just trying to interpret bro xD


It just means Madaras chakra was already infested into his body via the black rods, using his chakra in Obitos body to control him. I think that's what Varia means, it's a interesting thought and it makes sense imo.


I don't think Madara assumed just any random Senju could awaken his rinnegan, otherwise there would be much easier targets than Hashi (wood also had something to do with it).

As I said, Madara prob did not know about the whole reincarnation thing, but he knew the tale (since Obito Knew it).

That's all I said, and I am not wrong.

Madara did assume that. He told Obito he had Senju cells and even if he didn't awaken the Rinnegan he should still be able to control the Gedo

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[VongolaX]

what he means is that neither obito nor madara knew about indra and ashura yet. madara thought it was just uchiha so he wouldnt give obito his own chakra to have power.
it would have been cool if obito got his own right eye rinnegan like how sasuke got his left one lol

Thank you...

He basically gained these by an excident.

He didn't know that his chakra and Hashirama's chakra are incarnates chakra.

It's the same accident that Madara believed that Hashirama's implanted cells in the Gedo gave breed to white zetsus.

While in actuality, he was releasing people that were trapped in the Infinte tsukyomi.

 

[10th]

Madara did assume that. He told Obito he had Senju cells and even if he didn't awaken the Rinnegan he should still be able to control the Gedo

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He had Hashirama cells, and it's specifically about the Gedo Mazo, which he ended up being right on as Obito controlled the statue but was unable to summon it. But you know, I don't think we disagree really. Madara did not prob know about the transmigration aspect to (said this many times) and as a result did not know that specifically Indra + Ashura = Hago/Rinnegan.

 

[Demonic.]

He had Hashirama cells, and it's specifically about the Gedo Mazo, which he ended up being right on as Obito controlled the statue but was unable to summon it. But you know, I don't think we disagree really. Madara did not prob know about the transmigration aspect to (said this many times) and as a result did not know that specifically Indra + Ashura = Hago/Rinnegan.

Exactly. When Indra and Ashura chakra is combined, Rikudo chakra comes out in the form of a Rinnegan, as Hagoromo stated.

MS Obito never awakened the Rinnegan so he does not have Rikudo chakra like that idiot up there believes

Not to mention, saying Obito has Indra chakra because of black rods is grasping at straws and sounds like fan desperation to me, plus it's not backed up by proof.

 

[Conspirator.]

JJ Madara>JJ Obito>Rinnegan Madara>EMS Madara>Edo Madara>Rinnegan Obito>MS Obito

Basically this.

 

[synkross]

DMS Obito >>>>> any form of Madara

Madara has no counter to kamui, he simply gets negged.