Sharingan/Byakugan - Rinnegan/Tenseigan

[Kai NB]

Well, the manga has only shown Susano'O to be the special case among the MS techs, even Madara without eyes was able to use it and Itachi with regular eyes was able to use it. Nagato not being able to use Susano'O also supports the argument that Rennigan can't access all MS abilties, further establishing both eyes as being diffrent.

Of course there's a connection, and yes, sharingan's potential can reach Sharinnegan if you're an Indra/Ashu combo, but that would be like sayin' wood style's potential is reaching Shinju level. It's true, but rather pointless.

I disagree. If I were a non uchiha and I recieved Hago's chakra, I would unlock Rinnegan max. But if I were an Uchiha and unlocked the Sharingan, then receieved Hago's chakra, I would have Rinne Sharingan (assumption)

And it is clear that the Rinne Sharingan > Rinnegan.

Wait? I don't even know what I'm arguing about now lol. I can't even tell if I'm making sense of things XD

 

[BLAZE]

Umm, you know the Tenseigan is canon right? lol

was it ever mentioned in manga : No
It only appeared in movie which full of filler NH moments.
I can gaurantee u we won't be seeing it again ever

 

[Kai NB]

1- english please

2-Actually they were high class ninja ,notice how the way they speaking to a ninja like itachi ,they were sent to investigate shisui's death.

it doesn't matter ,like i said sasuke pretty much admitted that only selective few were able to

Take this to another thread

 

[Endles Waltz]

That's true, but the potential of the sharingan ends at EMS. You do not require sharingan to get Rennigan, if Naruto or Hashirama had indra chakra, they too would have awakened Rennigan. Thus, it's a separate dojutsu merely with the same origin. That's why Madara can't use Sharingan abilities w/ Rennigan.

Wrong.

Hagoromo has 2 types of powers, the yin and yang, Spiritual energy vs Body strength. The spiritual energy translates to his ocular powers thus Rinnegan, and the body translates to sage mode. His 2 sons each inherited one part, Indra inheriting the yin/ocular in the form of the Sharingan, which is the mutation, if the possesor of the Yin (Indra and his transmigrants) gets a dose of yang chakra, his Sharingan mutates back to Rinnegan.

That is why Madara and Sasuke got the Rinnegan while Naruto, possessor of yang did not, he got Rikudou mode instead.

 

[Kai NB]

was it ever mentioned in manga : No
It only appeared in movie which full of filler NH moments.
I can gaurantee u we won't be seeing it again ever

Um, the manga is over, nothing will be seen again, except for iconic stuff in the 3rd part

That movie is not filler NH moments, it is what happened in the timeskip between Chapter 699 and Chapter 700. The movie has been confirmed by Kishi to be labeled as Chapter 699.5. I'll get a link and source later, but I'm sure you can find it.

I'm not saying you have to like the movie, but it is a canon movie. You can't deny that

 

[Made in Heaven]

I disagree. If I were a non uchiha and I recieved Hago's chakra, I would unlock Rinnegan max. But if I were an Uchiha and unlocked the Sharingan, then receieved Hago's chakra, I would have Rinne Sharingan (assumption)

And it is clear that the Rinne Sharingan > Rinnegan.

Wait? I don't even know what I'm arguing about now lol. I can't even tell if I'm making sense of things XD

Not really, Sasuke got Hagoromo's chakra and the farthest he ever went was Rennigan, not Sharennigan. Only users of that are Madara and Kaguya. So whether Uchiha or not, some one who gains Ashu/Indra chakra would only unlock Rennigan.

 

[IceSlayer]

1- english please

2-Actually they were high class ninja ,notice how the way they speaking to a ninja like itachi ,they were sent to investigate shisui's death.

it doesn't matter ,like i said sasuke pretty much admitted that only selective few were able to

Couldn't find a english scan, the picture is clear enough to prove my point

They weren't high class ninjas they were average ninjas from the police force and were investigating Shisui's death

What Sasuke said was the first few chapters of the series those panels takes place hundreds chapters later, and you still don't get my point like i said every Uchiha in the manga was shown with the sharingan

 

[Kai NB]

Not really, Sasuke got Hagoromo's chakra and the farthest he ever went was Rennigan, not Sharennigan. Only users of that are Madara and Kaguya. So whether Uchiha or not, some one who gains Ashu/Indra chakra would only unlock Rennigan.

Um? What? You were on a roll buddy, but you messed up. Sasuke did get Rinne Sharingan. He got a 6 Tomoe Rinne Sharingan

 

[BLAZE]

Um, the manga is over, nothing will be seen again, except for iconic stuff in the 3rd part

yeah

That movie is not filler NH moments, it is what happened in the timeskip between Chapter 699 and Chapter 700. The movie has been confirmed by Kishi to be labeled as Chapter 699.5. I'll get a link and source later, but I'm sure you can find it.

I am talkng about the flashbacks which nvr existed in the manga

I'm not saying you have to like the movie, but it is a canon movie. You can't deny that

have it how u want but as i said Tenseigan or Toneri won't be even getting mentioned again

 

[Made in Heaven]

Um? What? You were on a roll buddy, but you messed up. Sasuke did get Rinne Sharingan. He got a 6 Tomoe Rinne Sharingan

But he calls it a Rennigan, and it's purple, unlike Kaguya and Madara's eyes. not to mention he's not classified as having it

 

[BLAZE]

Sasuke has Rinnegan btw DB confirms it

 

[Made in Heaven]

Wrong.

Hagoromo has 2 types of powers, the yin and yang, Spiritual energy vs Body strength. The spiritual energy translates to his ocular powers thus Rinnegan, and the body translates to sage mode. His 2 sons each inherited one part, Indra inheriting the yin/ocular in the form of the Sharingan, which is the mutation, if the possesor of the Yin (Indra and his transmigrants) gets a dose of yang chakra, his Sharingan mutates back to Rinnegan.

That is why Madara and Sasuke got the Rinnegan while Naruto, possessor of yang did not, he got Rikudou mode instead.

What is this suppose to prove? Naruto & Hashirama still could get Rennigan through gaining chakra form Madara or Sasuke. Sasuke did not gain the Rennigan from Hagoromo, he gained it through receiving chakra from Hashirama and being near death.

 

[Kai NB]

yeah

I am talkng about the flashbacks which nvr existed in the manga


have it how u want but as i said Tenseigan or Toneri won't be even getting mentioned again

I've never seen the movie, so I never heard about the flashbacks
And I don't care whether or not the Tenseigan will be revealed or what people think of it. The point of the thread was the reason why it bothers me how the Tenseigan and Rinnegan do not have similar evolutionary stages.

But he calls it a Rennigan, and it's purple, unlike Kaguya and Madara's eyes. not to mention he's not classified as having it

I'm just dubbing Rinne Sharingan. I don't think Rinne Sharingan is an actual dojutsu though. Is it?
Anyways, is there an official scan with the coloring for Kaguya and Madara's eyes?

Sasuke has Rinnegan btw DB confirms it

Yeah, I was just dubbing Rinne Sharingan since he has tomoe on his. I don't think Rinne Sharingan is a legit dojutsu on it's own.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I'm just dubbing Rinne Sharingan. I don't think Rinne Sharingan is an actual dojutsu though. Is it?
Anyways, is there an official scan with the coloring for Kaguya and Madara's eyes?

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Yes, Rennigan and Sharennigan are separate eyes according to the databook.

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Panel of Madara's third eye from official colouring

 

[BLAZE]

I've never seen the movie, so I never heard about the flashbacks
And I don't care whether or not the Tenseigan will be revealed or what people think of it. The point of the thread was the reason why it bothers me how the Tenseigan and Rinnegan do not have similar evolutionary stages.


Yeah, I was just dubbing Rinne Sharingan since he has tomoe on his. I don't think Rinne Sharingan is a legit dojutsu on it's own.

okay
@bold dats why i said fillergan in first place.The movie is not kishimoto's idea

 

[Kai NB]

Yes, Rennigan and Sharennigan are separate eyes according to the databook.

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Panel of Madara's third eye from official colouring

The image doesn't work, but thanks, I gotcha now

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Couldn't find a english scan, the picture is clear enough to prove my point

They weren't high class ninjas they were average ninjas from the police force and were investigating Shisui's death

What Sasuke said was the first few chapters of the series those panels takes place hundreds chapters later, and you still don't get my point like i said every Uchiha in the manga was shown with the sharingan

1- not clear enough,don't know if they were talking about someone else but ok i'll just skip it

2=Police force were were probabaly the strongest uchiha group

Time is irrleavent and even so i still told you that those were either the uchiha talented members or jounin rank =ninja like police force

 

[Endles Waltz]

What is this suppose to prove? Naruto & Hashirama still could get Rennigan through gaining chakra form Madara or Sasuke. Sasuke did not gain the Rennigan from Hagoromo, he gained it through receiving chakra from Hashirama and being near death.

This proves that Naruto and Hashirama cannot get Rinnegan just like Sasuke and Madara cannot get Rikudou mode. Indra and his transmigrants are born with the Yin/Spiritual/Ocular and Ashura and his transmigrants are born with Yang/Body/Physical.

The former have the affinity for strong eyes, and the latter have the affinity for strong bodies, you cannot reverse the two.

And just so you know, being Juubi Jin =/= rikudou mode.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I would like to start off by saying that equal does not mean every aspect lines up evenly, but rather different strengths in different areas can be different, but overall the skills are equal. So let us begin.

If we were to do a branch of the powers, there would not only be Kaguya on the top, but rather Kaguya and the Chakra fruit at the top. They can be considered the "parents" of the the following powers. Kaguya, being an Otsutsuki, brought the byakugan to the genetic table. The Chakra fruit brought the rinnesharingan to the table. From here the split begins, with Hamura inheriting his mother's Otsutsuki blood stronger, and Hagoromo inheriting his mother's Chakra fruit chakra stronger. In other words, Hamura is a purer Otsutsuki than Hagoromo, and thus his bloodline maintained that genetic purity (byakugan and, though much sacrifice, tenseigan.) The byakugan and the rinnegan are NOT supposed to be comparable, Hagoromo and Hamura are supposed to be comparable.

Now let us continue the breakdown. For now Hamura is not really necessary, as all he has to offer is purer chakra (being one of the first two people to be born with chakra) and the byakugan to his descendants. Let us consider Hagoromo. From the beginning, he was a mutant, because I am willing to debate that he is the first and only Otsutsuki to not be born with the byakugan. This is because his chakra was more influenced by the chakra fruit than his brother's, and we see that in his rinnegan. In other words, Hagoromo carried the Shinju genes and Hamura the Otsutsuki. Hagoromo's rinnegan then degraded into the sharingan for one of his sons/descendants, and strong chakra (later wood release from the shinju) in the other. It makes no sense in comparing Hagoromo descendants across to Hamura descendants, because the powers are meant to be radically different.

What do you think?

 

[shelke]

Sasuke has Rinnegan btw DB confirms it

The manga calls Kaguya's 9 Tomoe Sharingan Rinnegan as well. It's clear that it's the Juubi eye. I am not sure whether it was purple or not though, but it's clear that it isn't a Rinnegan, but since it lacks one extra ring, it isn't the completely third eye either. However, it's extremely close to it, which would explain why Sasuke and Kaguya have teleportaion ability, yet Madara does not.