Sharingan/Byakugan - Rinnegan/Tenseigan

[Kai NB]

Every Uchiha shown in the manga either had 3T sharingan or MS, that page was used to overhype Kakashi

Again guys, not my point. Please let's not discuss a totally other subject in this thread. If you'd like, make another thread to discuss it

Blame Kishi for the incessant Uchiha Wank he went on and on about in Part 2. You would think the Uchiha are the end all be all of clans the way Obito and Madara went on about them. Then you remember they got solo'ed in their sleep by 13 year old Itachi and 20 something Obito.

I am lol

But seriously, he could have balanced it so much better

 

[Styles]

Rinnegan = Tenseigan? Where was this said?

 

[shelke]

Very few Uchiha ever even reached MS and only 2 reached EMS.

This. There are only about 5-6 known Uchiha's that have gone past MS, and only 1 Uchiha that is currently alive that has gone past MS, and possibly another.

This is false. We don't know the number of MS users. Yes, they were fewer than the Sharingan users, but gaining MS during times of war wouldn't be a problem for an Uchiha, given the prerequisites involved. In fact, the information on Amaterasu alone outside Konoha is enough to falsify this statement.

@second 5 or 6? That is completely false. Just because the manga shows only this number for MS doesn't mean that in the history of the Clan there have had been only 5 or 6 MS users. Don't be silly.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Every Uchiha shown in the manga either had 3T sharingan or MS, that page was used to overhype Kakashi

There's no such a thing as overhype manga facts are manga facts ,besides fugaku and mikoto didn't shoe it only relevant uchiha showed it ,just accept it

 

[IceSlayer]

Blame Kishi for the incessant Uchiha Wank he went on and on about in Part 2. You would think the Uchiha are the end all be all of clans the way Obito and Madara went on about them. Then you remember they got solo'ed in their sleep by 13 year old Itachi and 20 something Obito.

0bito invaded Konoha and released the kyuubi at the age of 14 killing hundreds while no Konoha ninja were strong enough to even pursue Itachi and bring him to justice

Even then they could only annihilate the Uchiha clan in the their sleep not while on guard

 

[Fodder#3]

Pshhh. Itachi>anything. Since Itachi used MS; MS>all eyes. ez

 

[BlacLord™]

The tenseigan is 1000 years of sealed Byakugan put in one set of eyes. :| Hamura didn't have it and there was no real comparison between it and rinnegan U_U

Hamura did have the Tenseigan, he was the first user.

Much like the Rinne Sharingan to the Rinnegan, it was a mutation.

 

[ANiMUS]

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Srsly dude? It wasn't like the second thread under the search bar :|

 

[Kai NB]

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I also fell for it,some retard in wikia posted it and apparently it was wrong but i still believe that it can compete with rinnegan

Never can trust the wiki lol

I agree with the bold, kishimoto even stated that he forgotten about the byakugan when he was designing the kids so maybe in the spin-off they will confirm that bolt and himawari have the byakugan, but with different traits, they have some kurama chakra inside of them, theory.

I hope they can turn it on/off whenever they feel like using it or not like the sharingan.

Twould be awesome

Wasn't he able to switch between EMS and Rennigan at that point in time? Pretty sure he was. Not to mention EMS & MS users can use their abilities without activating the eye [see Itachi] so there is no reason to attribute Susano'O to rennigan, because that was simply Madara doing the same thing Itachi did; using MS abilities without actually activating the eye. So it's not unreasonable to say Madara was using EMS abilities at that point w/o activating his EMS, and instead keepin his Rennigan actvated.

That's a very fair point. But if that were the case, wouldn't all other MS techs be available? Wouldn't that include precognition abilities too? While nothing in the manga supported this fact, you could still be right. There's also the point of how the Rinnegan on Nagato couldn't use MS techs, while Madara's Rinnegan, which were the same could.

The only thing I can say though is that Sharingan was in fact derived from it haha. And of course, there is some connection or tie. Perhaps the Sharingan is needed beforehand to combine with the Rinnegan into Rinne Sharingan?

How many are them? 1000?

... Please take this to another thread

I am but people aren't giving sources.

This is the only info I got on Haruma:

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He only had a Byukagan and six path senjustus, just like his mother.

Hmm, to bad it's not translated. It doesn't say anything I can catch lol

 

[Venomous Cobra]

0bito invaded Konoha and released the kyuubi at the age of 14 killing hundreds while no Konoha ninja were strong enough to even pursue Itachi and bring him to justice

Even then they could only annihilate the Uchiha clan in the their sleep not while on guard

1-obito eyes were blessed let's just admit ,his powers are haxxed
2-Ohhh wasn't itachi protecting konoha from outside,itachi was a hero bruh they had no reason to attack him (at least not when rikuzen was a hokage)

 

[BLAZE]

nice thread though i don't care about fillergan

 

[Da Best Ever]

First off the tenseigan is 1000 years of byakugans merged into 1. Kaguya just has 2 byakugan unlike toneri has 100's built into 2 byakugan so clearly the tenseigan is very powerful.


You think the sharingan is greater than the byakugan but it is equal further proof is hiashi claiming the hyuuga are the most powerful, uchiha has had a handful of individuals become extremely powerful while as a whole the hyuugan is better.



It takes a thousand years worth of generations byakugans to equal a rinnegan

 

[Kai NB]

Rinnegan = Tenseigan? Where was this said?

Alot of places

This is false. We don't know the number of MS users. Yes, they were fewer than the Sharingan users, but gaining MS during times of war wouldn't be a problem for an Uchiha, given the prerequisites involved. In fact, the information on Amaterasu alone outside Konoha is enough to falsify this statement.

@second 5 or 6? That is completely false. Just because the manga shows only this number for MS doesn't mean that in the history of the Clan there have had been only 5 or 6 MS users. Don't be silly.

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There's no such a thing as overhype manga facts are manga facts ,besides fugaku and mikoto didn't shoe it only relevant uchiha showed it ,just accept it

Not of the concern of the thread

0bito invaded Konoha and released the kyuubi at the age of 14 killing hundreds while no Konoha ninja were strong enough to even pursue Itachi and bring him to justice

Even then they could only annihilate the Uchiha clan in the their sleep not while on guard

Not of the concern of the thread

Pshhh. Itachi>anything. Since Itachi used MS; MS>all eyes. ez

Not of the concern of the thread

Hamura did have the Tenseigan, he was the first user.

Much like the Rinne Sharingan to the Rinnegan, it was a mutation.

Right, but Rinne Sharingan started with Kaguya and Hago got regular Rinnegan. Kaguya got Byakugan and Hamu also got the same. My argument is that, whether it was a mutation or not, Kaguya passed on the dojutsu from it's highest potential, while with the Byakugan, it did not pass on from the highest potential, as a user evolved it after the original.

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Srsly dude? It wasn't like the second thread under the search bar :|

Well, now you see my claim is made. Like I said, it's not my concern to provide the scans. This whole thread started as a rant, it even said so. If I was making detailed analyses, then I would provide scans and sources.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

First off the tenseigan is 1000 years of byakugans merged into 1. Kaguya just has 2 byakugan unlike toneri has 100's built into 2 byakugan so clearly the tenseigan is very powerful.


You think the sharingan is greater than the byakugan but it is equal further proof is hiashi claiming the hyuuga are the most powerful, uchiha has had a handful of individuals become extremely powerful while as a whole the hyuugan is better.



It takes a thousand years worth of generations byakugans to equal a rinnegan

How would someone like toneri know about it if no one had it or at least tried to have it?

 

[IceSlayer]

There's no such a thing as overhype manga facts are manga facts ,besides fugaku and mikoto didn't shoe it only relevant uchiha showed it ,just accept it

Fugaku did have it

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So did Nameless fodders (3T sharingans)

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Like I said every Uchiha shown in the Manga had access to sharingan

1-obito eyes were blessed let's just admit ,his powers are haxxed
2-Ohhh wasn't itachi protecting konoha from outside,itachi was a hero bruh they had no reason to attack him (at least not when rikuzen was a hokage)

- Obito was trained by Madara his powers weren't haxed

- Itachi was in the bingo with the highest priority to be killed

Even then they had to kill the Uchiha clan in their sleep

 

[Kai NB]

1-obito eyes were blessed let's just admit ,his powers are haxxed
2-Ohhh wasn't itachi protecting konoha from outside,itachi was a hero bruh they had no reason to attack him (at least not when rikuzen was a hokage)

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nice thread though i don't care about fillergan

Umm, you know the Tenseigan is canon right? lol

First off the tenseigan is 1000 years of byakugans merged into 1. Kaguya just has 2 byakugan unlike toneri has 100's built into 2 byakugan so clearly the tenseigan is very powerful.


You think the sharingan is greater than the byakugan but it is equal further proof is hiashi claiming the hyuuga are the most powerful, uchiha has had a handful of individuals become extremely powerful while as a whole the hyuugan is better.



It takes a thousand years worth of generations byakugans to equal a rinnegan

Where did I say Byakugan/Tenseigan was weak and/or weaker to Sharingan/Rinnegan? I merely stated how the processes where the same. Did you even read the entire thing? I even said in the first post that Tenseigan is equal to Rinnegan. I said the Tenseigan is not equal to the full potential of the Sharingan which is the Rinne Sharingan.

Rinne Sharingan > Rinnegan
Rinnegan = Tenseigan
Rinne Sharingan > Tenseigan

 

[Made in Heaven]

That's a very fair point. But if that were the case, wouldn't all other MS techs be available? Wouldn't that include precognition abilities too? While nothing in the manga supported this fact, you could still be right. There's also the point of how the Rinnegan on Nagato couldn't use MS techs, while Madara's Rinnegan, which were the same could.

The only thing I can say though is that Sharingan was in fact derived from it haha. And of course, there is some connection or tie. Perhaps the Sharingan is needed beforehand to combine with the Rinnegan into Rinne Sharingan?
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Well, the manga has only shown Susano'O to be the special case among the MS techs, even Madara without eyes was able to use it and Itachi with regular eyes was able to use it. Nagato not being able to use Susano'O also supports the argument that Rennigan can't access all MS abilties, further establishing both eyes as being diffrent.

Of course there's a connection, and yes, sharingan's potential can reach Sharinnegan if you're an Indra/Ashu combo, but that would be like sayin' wood style's potential is reaching Shinju level. It's true, but rather pointless.

 

[Kai NB]

Fugaku did have it

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So did Nameless fodders (3T sharingans)

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Like I said every Uchiha shown in the Manga had access to sharingan

Guys, please stop discussing this, this is not relevant to the thread

 

[Made in Heaven]

Umm, you know the Tenseigan is canon right? lol

He knows, he just thinks his filler delusion of the LAST never happening overwrites Kishi's words.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Fugaku did have it

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So did Nameless fodders (3T sharingans)

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Like I said every Uchiha shown in the Manga had access to sharingan

1- english please

2-Actually they were high class ninja ,notice how the way they speaking to a ninja like itachi ,they were sent to investigate shisui's death.

it doesn't matter ,like i said sasuke pretty much admitted that only selective few were able to