[VS] SM Jiraiya vs Edo Hiruzen

[EliteKakashi]

Location: Great Naruto Bridge

Distance: 20 meters

Knowledge: Hiruzen is aware of the physical upgrades(strength, speed) that SM provides, but knows nothing else of Jiraiya. Jiraiya is aware that Hiruzen can use all elements and aware of what having an ET body grants him, but knows nothing else of Hiruzen.

Restrictions/Scenario: Shiki Fuujin(in case anyone wants to make a weird argument than an edo could use this), Gama Rinsho, Kawazu Naki, Jiraiya is only allowed to summon Gamaken.

Hiruzen is granted the feat of being able to use all elemental jutsu shown by Konoha ninja(this is not counting jutsu shown by missing-nin(such as Sasuke, Orochimaru) AFTER they've left Konoha). Any special clan jutsu/bloodline jutsu is off-limits, though.

Jiraiya has sealing tags.

Fight starts with Enma summoned.

Edit: In case it matters, intent is to kill(well, seal for Jiraiya).

 

[super yang]

Hiruzen wins, the only way j-man could is frog song.

Enma will troll any boss summon attempt & 1-shot them back to myoboku.

mass clones will push J back in CQC while hiruzens skill will thwart J's combos from range.

Enma staff clones saves H from fukasakus tonge slice. Hiruzen finishes w/ quintuple rai'ton combos.


edit: and the geezer even has a water source booster...

...which also restricts yomi numa & hinders frog call . .

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[ARGUS]

Jiraiya wins this mid/high diff

 

[Beans2]

Jiraiya would mid diff him. Goemon or Toad Oil Flame Bullet overpowers all his elemental ninjutsu, since his suiton would get evaporated. PawsX proved that a boss toad is not much smaller than SZ Yamato's Buddha so it's size and firepower would be too much for Hiruzen to handle. Enma would get caught by Shima or Fukusaku's tongues and then poisoned, or reeled in with their tongues and killed by a Chou Oodama Rasengan.

 

[KidGamer65]

^ He said elemental jutsu, Hiraishin and ET aren't elemental Jutsu.

OT: Hiruzen stands a chance.

 

[Beans2]

^ He said elemental jutsu, Hiraishin and ET aren't elemental Jutsu.

OT: Hiruzen stands a chance.

I edited the post. How could Hiruzen win? Don't think any of Konoha's elemental jutsu make this a game changer. With Jiraiya starting in SM Hiruzen loses any chance at winning.

 

[EliteKakashi]

With these conditions it's hardly a fair fight. Jiraiya is restricted to one toad whereas Hiruzen has access to jutsu he obviously can't use in the manga, like FTG and Edo Tensei. Hiruzen with fanfic jutsu wins.

Those are not elemental jutsu. Only katon/raiton/futon/suiton/doton jutsu count. I guess I should have specified further.

 

[KidGamer65]

I edited the post. How could Hiruzen win? Don't think any of Konoha's elemental jutsu make this a game changer. With Jiraiya starting in SM Hiruzen loses any chance at winning.

I dunno if he wins, but I'll try and put up a post later. Gotta get some names for the jutsu he's been given. And I'm tired. Lol.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

I agree with beansandcornbread2's assesment, but that OP monkey could make things complicated... I swear, it's not even funny how powerful Enma is.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Jiraiya would mid diff him. Goemon or Toad Oil Flame Bullet overpowers all his elemental ninjutsu, since his suiton would get evaporated. PawsX proved that a boss toad is not much smaller than SZ Yamato's Buddha so it's size and firepower would be too much for Hiruzen to handle. Enma would get caught by Shima or Fukusaku's tongues and then poisoned, or reeled in with their tongues and killed by a Chou Oodama Rasengan.

Remember Hiruzen has access to all elements and can use clones to combine elements to potentially overpower Goemon or Flame Bullet. Enma has also shown he can create many clones(to form his cage) as well, so that could be a potential problem.

Gamaken is big, but Enma has pushed back the kyuubi before, so size isn't much of an issue for him.

I also don't think Ken has ever shown any elemental jutsu. He fought with his sasumata and shield, I do believe. That's why I picked him for this, as Enma has never shown any elemental abilities either. And his endurance is high as noted when fighting Animal Path's summons, so I don't think Yang's comment about Enma being able to "troll" him is quite accurate.

 

[KingHashirama]

None of the Sanin surpassed Hiruzen, lol. Hiruzen wins.

 

[makosheva7]

Without Gama Rinsho limitless chakra Edo Hiruzen wins high diff.

 

[Beans2]

Remember Hiruzen has access to all elements and can use clones to combine elements to potentially overpower Goemon or Flame Bullet. Enma has also shown he can create many clones(to form his cage) as well, so that could be a potential problem.

Even if Hiruzen combined Fuuton + Suiton to combat TOFB, I think the two techniques would stalemate at best. Jiraiya can mow down hordes of clones with Kebari Senbon. Enma's clones wouldn't be as strong as the original so Ma and Pa can take care of them without much trouble, paralyzing Enma with Frog Call followed by Chou Oodama Rasengan busts through Enma cage if Hiruzen uses it as a defense.

Gamaken is big, but Enma has pushed back the kyuubi before, so size isn't much of an issue for him.

I also don't think Ken has ever shown any elemental jutsu. He fought with his sasumata and shield, I do believe. That's why I picked him for this, as Enma has never shown any elemental abilities either. And his endurance is high as noted when fighting Animal Path's summons, so I don't think Yang's comment about Enma being able to "troll" him is quite accurate.

True, but if Enma extends to knock back Gamaken he can block the attack with his shield as he did against Nagato's bird summon or knock aside the pole with his weapon.

 

[Lariatoo]

With these restrictions the Old Monkey wins more times than not.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even if Hiruzen combined Fuuton + Suiton to combat TOFB, I think the two techniques would stalemate at best. Jiraiya can mow down hordes of clones with Kebari Senbon. Enma's clones wouldn't be as strong as the original so Ma and Pa can take care of them without much trouble, paralyzing Enma with Frog Call followed by Chou Oodama Rasengan busts through Enma cage if Hiruzen uses it as a defense.



True, but if Enma extends to knock back Gamaken he can block the attack with his shield as he did against Nagato's bird summon or knock aside the pole with his weapon.

Hiruzen has the elemental jutsu of every Konoha Shinobi, as long as they had they aren't missing nin who developed that jutsu after defecting. That means he'd have access to Madara's large Katon. Combine Juubi sized Katon w/ multiple Fuuton attacks, and his jutsu would overpower Toad Oil Flame Bullet. There's also Yomi Numa, which is an elemental jutsu of Jiraiya's, a Konoha Shinobi. It'd take out Gamaken pretty easily.

Frog Call is Sound, so it can be blown away by Hiruzen's Fuuton just how Temari blew away Temari's Sound Genjutsu.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Frog Call is Kawazu Naki, which is restricted.

Didn't want some "Kawazu Naki from the start, Jiraiya seals the paralyzed Hiruzen", just as I didn't want "Jiraiya buys time to pull off Gama Rinsho and then seals Hiruzen."

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, damn. I didn't even read the restrictions.