Naruto chapter 699 and Naruto the Last

[MAN OF SIN]

1. I saw the movie so let me explain to you the basics. The world was not in peril as most people believed. Kumogakure had a "cannon" to destroy the Moon in one blast, but Naruto wanted to handle Toneri by himself. Secondly, Hinata was in a bird cage. No one was in a life threatening situation, and Naruto himself was battling Toneri on equal ground and stronger in his base KCM/SM form.

2. Incorrect. The Yang/Yin Seals for Chibaku Tensei held the COAT (Creation of all Things - Naruto) and the Sage senjutsu (Yin techniques like Yin Chidori - Sasuke), when those seals were used. Naruto and Sasuke still retained their powerups. This is blantly obvious and I'm sad that you never caught onto this, after they sealed Kaguya and the seals left their palms, they were still in RSM/Sharringan form. They even FOUGHT at the VOTE in their RSM/Sharringan forms U_U

Both kept their powers in VOTE, nothing claims they lost it, and if you are seriously using a movie as a notion to say he lost it. That is truly absurd.

That was a chakra cannon powered by Shinobi wasn't?

 

[Narutohokage324]

That was a chakra cannon powered by Shinobi wasn't!

Yeah that's exactly what it was. A giant ass cannon ready to destroy the moon in one hit. Kumo was ready to kill everyone there Lol

 

[jiraiya nindo]

1. I saw the movie so let me explain to you the basics. The world was not in peril as most people believed. Kumogakure had a "cannon" to destroy the Moon in one blast, but Naruto wanted to handle Toneri by himself. Secondly, Hinata was in a bird cage. No one was in a life threatening situation, and Naruto himself was battling Toneri on equal ground and stronger in his base KCM/SM form.

2. Incorrect. The Yang/Yin Seals for Chibaku Tensei held the COAT (Creation of all Things - Naruto) and the Sage senjutsu (Yin techniques like Yin Chidori - Sasuke), when those seals were used. Naruto and Sasuke still retained their powerups. This is blantly obvious and I'm sad that you never caught onto this, after they sealed Kaguya and the seals left their palms, they were still in RSM/Sharringan form. They even FOUGHT at the VOTE in their RSM/Sharringan forms U_U

Both kept their powers in VOTE, nothing claims they lost it, and if you are seriously using a movie as a notion to say he lost it. That is truly absurd.

You have some good points in there but I can't think of one scenario in which chakra was given to another permanently in the manga. This would be the first time. Everytime chakra has been given it's been temporary.

The reason sasuke kept his rinnegan is because hago chakra is only needed to awaken the rinnegan but after it's awakened, then the rinnegan becomes permanent. Nagato and obito didnt have hago chakra but were still able to wield the rinnegan.

Naruto lost hago chakra. At what point is debatable. But, it bears repeating: why not use it when the world is in danger and your gf has been taken by the enemy?

 

[Narutohokage324]

You have some good points in there but I can't think of one scenario in which chakra was given to another permanently in the manga. This would be the first time. Everytime chakra has been given it's been temporary.

The reason sasuke kept his rinnegan is because hago chakra is only needed to awaken the rinnegan but after it's awakened, then the rinnegan becomes permanent. Nagato and obito didnt have hago chakra but were still able to wield the rinnegan.

Naruto lost hago chakra. At what point is debatable. But, it bears repeating: why not use it when the world is in danger and your gf has been taken by the enemy?

That's because you are not understanding the powerup compeletely. The databook, the manga, and comprehension all state that the powerup was not Hagoromo's chakra alone. You realize where they awakened this right? From within. They are transmigrantes of Indra/Ashura, and that's why the power stays with them.

Databook - It is a gift

Viz scans - "Power awakened"

If you want me to get literal on this with more evidence I will for you, but I think I can convince you with the manga alone.

Next, Sasuke activating the Rinnegan takes Hagoromo's chakra which is now a part of him. Same with Naruto, if the Manga says they lost it, they lost it. The databooks, the manga, and personal opinion seem to prove that no points can claim towards them losing Hagoromo's chakra nor the power ups that reside within them.

The largest amount of evidence of "Chakra never leaving" is transmigrant chakra by itself. It will never leave them till death.

In the movie Sasuke had turned off the Rinnegan, you think he can activate that by himself? The sharingan is activated due to chakra inside the Uchiha's brain *Tobirama*, and you think he self sustains the power to activate the Rinnegan without Hagoromo? Absurd

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I already answered your question twice.

I. Kumogakure had a cannon to destroy the Moon
II. Hinata was captured and was left in a bird cage. Her life was not endangered.

Your expecting too much in a retcon movie U_U

 

[jiraiya nindo]

That's because you are not understanding the powerup compeletely. The databook, the manga, and comprehension all state that the powerup was not Hagoromo's chakra alone. You realize where they awakened this right? From within. They are transmigrantes of Indra/Ashura, and that's why the power stays with them.

Databook - It is a gift

Viz scans - "Power awakened"

If you want me to get literal on this with more evidence I will for you, but I think I can convince you with the manga alone.

Next, Sasuke activating the Rinnegan takes Hagoromo's chakra which is now a part of him. Same with Naruto, if the Manga says they lost it, they lost it. The databooks, the manga, and personal opinion seem to prove that no points can claim towards them losing Hagoromo's chakra nor the power ups that reside within them.

The largest amount of evidence of "Chakra never leaving" is transmigrant chakra by itself. It will never leave them till death.

In the movie Sasuke had turned off the Rinnegan, you think he can activate that by himself? The sharingan is activated due to chakra inside the Uchiha's brain *Tobirama*, and you think he self sustains the power to activate the Rinnegan without Hagoromo? Absurd

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I already answered your question twice.

I. Kumogakure had a cannon to destroy the Moon
II. Hinata was captured and was left in a bird cage. Her life was not endangered.

Your expecting too much in a retcon movie U_U

Not true. Hagoromo clearly states that even tho madara was no longer a transmigrant (at that point sasuke was the new transmigrant) that he still was able to awaken the rinnegan because he had been a transmigrant before. At the point where madara died, indra's chakra was already within sasuke for like 16 years. So, your point is actually wrong on transmigrant chakra staying in your body till you die.

And, in the movie you are referring to the scene where sasuke saves kakashi and co from the moon fragments. He is never shown using any rinnegan techs in that scene. He only used chidori so how can you state for sure that he even still had the rinnegan at that point? Later in chapter 700, he has his hair over his eye so we still dont know if he actually still has the rinnegan.

That's an assumption on your part.

For all we know, they both lost hago chakra after their last fight as there is no proof to state that they didn't in either chapter 700 or the last movie.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Not true. Hagoromo clearly states that even tho madara was no longer a transmigrant (at that point sasuke was the new transmigrant) that he still was able to awaken the rinnegan because he had been a transmigrant before. At the point where madara died, indra's chakra was already within sasuke for like 16 years. So, your point is actually wrong on transmigrant chakra staying in your body till you die.

And, in the movie you are referring to the scene where sasuke saves kakashi and co from the moon fragments. He is never shown using any rinnegan techs in that scene. He only used chidori so how can you state for sure that he even still had the rinnegan at that point? Later in chapter 700, he has his hair over his eye so we still dont know if he actually still has the rinnegan.

That's an assumption on your part.

For all we know, they both lost hago chakra after their last fight as there is no proof to state that they didn't in either chapter 700 or the last movie.

Okay let me tell you this. Everything you have said in this post has been 100% wrong, I will explain to you why.

1. The Rinnegan is activated by merging both the Indra and the Ashura Otsutsuki. Not the transmigrate, but the two clans that coexist right now. It is clearly explained the in the manga (do you want the links?) that the Rinnegan for the Uchiha is activated by merging the DNA of an Uchiha with a Senju. What is this transmigrate business you are talking about? Complete nonsensical. Re-read my post, I already stated that transmigrate only leaves till DEATH. Hence why Ashura/Indra's chakra moved onto Naruto/Sasuke U_U -- It was an error on my part for saying leave "till" death, I meant "UNTIL"

2. Incorrect. I'm not even going to get into this.

Sasuke used the Rinnegan, it was shown for one second. Go look at all the trailers, and you'll see it. Not to mention the video game, the Last poster, and anything else that involves Sasuke was shown with the Rinnegan.

Naruto was seen flying, removing a chakra substance from Hinata's stomach (by literally placing his hand inside of his stomach) and then he fought against TruthSeekingBall(s) which can only hit by via Rikudou chakra. All this without using RSM.

Now I'm going to say this for the last time, if you don't believe me. I will start to get serious on this conversation, but you will not like it.