[VS] Sage Mode Minato vs Tobirama w/Edo Tensei

[KingHashirama]

No. No it dosen't. Jman naruto (any sage for that matter) has more chakra has old Hiruzen yet they haven't shown the ability to crack stuff with chakra they have less?
Lmfao

Can you show me where they have more chakra than old Hiruzen? you cannot. The fact hes only one of the 3 people to ever be able to crack stuff with chakra, should tell us hes a chakra monster.. So yea try again.

Hiruzen lacking stamina =/= lacking chakra.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Can you show me where they have more chakra than old Hiruzen? you cannot. The fact hes only one of the 3 people to ever be able to crack stuff with chakra, should tell us hes a chakra monster.. So yea try again.

Hiruzen lacking stamina =/= lacking chakra.

Hiruzen's stamina db stat:3
jman stamina db stat:5
naruto stamina db stat:5

Max amount of functional clones Hiruzen can make:5

Naruto's max functional clones: over 1000.


Stamina=chakra.

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[Gold Lightning]

I know jiraiya's Sage mode isn't perfect either, hence the big nose and feet.
But Minato's Sage mode is even worse.

No it's not, actually read the manga for once. The mark of a true sage is what a toad sage mode user acquires when they can perfectly balance the nature energy with their chakra. Hence why Minato has no frog like appearance, because he is a true sage, his chakra and sage balance is perfect.

Jiraya on the other hand cannot balance his chakra and nature energy perfectly, hence why he looks like a toad. Jiraya also cannot enter sage mode on his own. That's why he summons the sage toads to gather nature energy for him. Without the toads, jiraya cannot even use sage mode at all, he can't even enter the mode. Not only can Minato balance the nature energy perfectly, he can enter sage mode on his own. So he surpasses jiraya.

Minato has a contract with all toads of mount myoboku. So he can summon fukaksu and Shima, by doing this he can use the amphibian technique: Fusion of a Sage Toad and a part of the (user’s) body; a jutsu that maintains combat-readiness. Dividing the roles of gathering Natural Energy “Stillness” and performing in combat “Motion”, using Sage Mode to its maximum practical use.

So how you can say minatos is worse is beyond me, he has no drawback because of this.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

WTF? Are You Serious? :|
Base Minato Beats Tobirama In a 1 VS 1 Match Let Alone SM Minato But Edo Hashi & Edo Maddy Under His Control Is Just Unfair!

Why is unfair? Hiruzen at old age fight both edo hashriama and edo tobirama at same time and win. Tobirama edo tensei is not same level asre shippu orochimaru, orichmaru version perfect beyond tobirama version. So how os unfair of hiruzen can do it?

I think i make this as baalcne as possible.

If we are to be assuming the power level of the edo tesnei. Then base on orochimaru vs hiruzen fight, we can logicslly assume madara to be can only use 3 tomoe and high level fire jitsu. While hashirama can use only just jukai kouton and basic wood jutsu.

Seem fair to me.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I know jiraiya's Sage mode isn't perfect either, hence the big nose and feet.
But Minato's Sage mode is even worse.

This guy is just plain out stupid. ​

 

[Ababeel]

Minato destroys utterly.

Hashirama and Madara are non-factor because of the fodder ET Tobirama has. Just like how Hiruzen's clones destroyed Hashirama and Tobirama in the bast, now we have an even worst ET. Minato is superior to Tobirama with shunshin and FTG. His strike with the Kunai
is much faster and stronger as well.

Minato also has more chakra than Tobirama (since he is a perfect SM user), so it is not like if Tobirama can out last him or anything.
Actually Minato does not even need SM to defeat Tobirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hiruzen's stamina db stat:3
jman stamina db stat:5
naruto stamina db stat:5

Max amount of functional clones Hiruzen can make:5

Naruto's max functional clones: over 1000.


Stamina=chakra.

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1 problem, there is already pre-existing chakra within Shinobi.

Thank you for telling me how stamina comes into casting jutsus........but i already know of this.

Madara has more powerful chakra than Tobirama = Can't crack stuff by raising it.

Tobirama has better reserves = can crack stuff by raising it.

Connect A with B, doesn't take a genius mate.

Minato is nowhere near a full-blooded Senju. If you believe that, you are lieing to yourself.

 

[Gold Lightning]

What has chakra reserves got to do with the winner in this thread. Tobirama has massive reserves because he's a senju. Minato has enormous reserves because he's a sage. No point in trying to compare who has more, cracking a wall doesn't prove anything. Hiruzen and orochimaru were doing that in part 1 without even trying, meanwhile. And before people get confused, Hashirama is the one that cracked the whole room, not Tobirama. Tobirama had no part in that at all.

And Sage chakra >>> regular chakra through. So all this is meaningless.

Minato low diff, fodder edo are nothing. GFK = non factor. Water style = lol. Tobiramas FTG = lol. Tobirama's speed = lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

What has chakra reserves got to do with the winner in this thread. Tobirama has massive reserves because he's a senju. Minato has enormous reserves because he's a sage. No point in trying to compare who has more, cracking a wall doesn't prove anything. Hiruzen and orochimaru were doing that in part 1 without even trying, meanwhile. And before people get confused, Hashirama is the one that cracked the whole room, not Tobirama. Tobirama had no part in that at all.

And Sage chakra >>> regular chakra through. So all this is meaningless.

Minato low diff, fodder edo are nothing. GFK = non factor. Water style = lol. Tobiramas FTG = lol. Tobirama's speed = lol.

No, Jiraiya is a sage.. inferior reserves to Tsunade. So yea buddy.

Tobirama is more skilled, more experienced. Simply put he outclasses your boy Minato.

20+ years of combat > 12/11 years of combat

 

[Gold Lightning]

No, Jiraiya is a sage.. inferior reserves to Tsunade. So yea buddy.

Tobirama is more skilled, more experienced. Simply put he outclasses your boy Minato.

20+ years of combat > 12/11 years of combat

Your opinion, I don't take anything you say that serious anyway. Databook puts jiraya at a 5 in stamina while Tsuande has a 4 or something. So I don't really gives a rats ass what you think.

Oh wow the experience card. That's the card one plays when they have no other arguments. Age and experience is not a factor in Naruto when it comes to high level opponents. I thought people knew this long ago. Itachi as a teen wipes the floor with orochimaru. Naruto and sasuke at 17 are the strongest despite their little experience. Gaara at 15/16 was Kazekage and stronger than most characters much older than him. So are we really playing experience card. Don't pull out that nonsense here, it doesn't work.

Tobirama more skilled Lol yet Minato took his title of fastest ninja and took tobiramas signature move and made it 10x better that he got a nickname after it and flee on sight... Loool whatever you say. The guy couldn't even learn senjutsu like his brother, probably too hard for him. You realise every jutsu Tobirama made, he was surpassed right, everyone surpasses his in skill when it comes to his own jutsu. Minato taking on the strongest duo of the cloud village on multiple occasions. Tobirama dying to the gold and silver fodders, I mean brothers.. Lol

Tobirama was a grand Unlce, he was probably in between his mid 50s to early 60s when he died. Yet didn't have the brain to teleport his team back home to safety. Yeah, some experience.

 

[makosheva7]

With ma and pa giving Minato constant nature chakra, Minato FTG Senpou Rasengan Tobirama's ass... especially with Tobirama's Edo feats

 

[Great Master Minato]

Why is unfair? Hiruzen at old age fight both edo hashriama and edo tobirama at same time and win. Tobirama edo tensei is not same level asre shippu orochimaru, orichmaru version perfect beyond tobirama version. So how os unfair of hiruzen can do it?

I think i make this as baalcne as possible.

If we are to be assuming the power level of the edo tesnei. Then base on orochimaru vs hiruzen fight, we can logicslly assume madara to be can only use 3 tomoe and high level fire jitsu. While hashirama can use only just jukai kouton and basic wood jutsu.

Seem fair to me.

Uh I Thought Edo Hashi & Edo Maddy Can Use Their Full Power...Sorry I Was Confused.
Then SM Minato Destroys.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1 problem, there is already pre-existing chakra within Shinobi.

yeah ok I'm guessing Harogomo gave chakra to animals as well right?

Thank you for telling me how stamina comes into casting jutsus........but i already know of this.

then you'd know
inferior stamina=inferior chakra.

Madara has more powerful chakra than Tobirama = Can't crack stuff by raising it.

madara's raw chakra alone turns into sky scraper tall constructs that cut off mountain tops. Tobirama and all the other senju's can hold the L according to your logic.

Tobirama has better reserves = can crack stuff by raising it.

false. The two don't correlate whatsoever. Old man Hiruzen is proof of this.

Connect A with B, doesn't take a genius mate.

except for the fact that they don't correlate. Cracking stuff with chakra isn't an indication of your chakra level/capacity. Or else the likes of ay Or the third raikage, or Harogomo or any jin would go around cracking stuff with their chakra. Yet because they didn't those that did have superior chakra than them? Lmfao.

Minato is nowhere near a full-blooded Senju. If you believe that, you are lieing to yourself.

Yet he's superior in chakra than tobirama. Since sage mode(a perfect one at that) is a indication of high chakra levels. Cracking walls? Not so much.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Your opinion, I don't take anything you say that serious anyway. Databook puts jiraya at a 5 in stamina while Tsuande has a 4 or something. So I don't really gives a rats ass what you think.

Oh wow the experience card. That's the card one plays when they have no other arguments. Age and experience is not a factor in Naruto when it comes to high level opponents. I thought people knew this long ago. Itachi as a teen wipes the floor with orochimaru. Naruto and sasuke at 17 are the strongest despite their little experience. Gaara at 15/16 was Kazekage and stronger than most characters much older than him. So are we really playing experience card. Don't pull out that nonsense here, it doesn't work.

Tobirama more skilled Lol yet Minato took his title of fastest ninja and took tobiramas signature move and made it 10x better that he got a nickname after it and flee on sight... Loool whatever you say. The guy couldn't even learn senjutsu like his brother, probably too hard for him. You realise every jutsu Tobirama made, he was surpassed right, everyone surpasses his in skill when it comes to his own jutsu. Minato taking on the strongest duo of the cloud village on multiple occasions. Tobirama dying to the gold and silver fodders, I mean brothers.. Lol

Tobirama was a grand Unlce, he was probably in between his mid 50s to early 60s when he died. Yet didn't have the brain to teleport his team back home to safety. Yeah, some experience.

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He can't do it all at once
lol

 

[KingHashirama]

yeah ok I'm guessing Harogomo gave chakra to animals as well right?

Ask Hagoromo

then you'd know
inferior stamina=inferior chakra.

Problem is it doesn't.

madara's raw chakra alone turns into sky scraper tall constructs that cut off mountain tops. Tobirama and all the other senju's can hold the L according to your logic.

Due to a technique that allows him to bring out his chakra on that scale. So yea, bro.. you kind of fail on this part.

false. The two don't correlate whatsoever. Old man Hiruzen is proof of this.

But hes not... hmm

except for the fact that they don't correlate. Cracking stuff with chakra isn't an indication of your chakra level/capacity. Or else the likes of ay Or the third raikage, or Harogomo or any jin would go around cracking stuff with their chakra. Yet because they didn't those that did have superior chakra than them? Lmfao.

Hagoromo can easily do it... no clue why you are bringing up a guy who only came to give away his chakra.... And also, Naruto has "flexed" his chakra, and it comes out as a cloak. You are comparing Hashirama's own chakra to the chakra of jinchuriki which is initially the chakra of 2 entities... :yeah:

Yea, they don't have superior chakra to the second strongest guy form the Senju clan.. same senju clan that was known for their high level of chakras.. Kind of dumb you are even bothering to argue against it...

Yet he's superior in chakra than tobirama. Since sage mode(a perfect one at that) is a indication of high chakra levels. Cracking walls? Not so much

Perfect Sage mode has to do with Balancing of chakra, not with having huge reserves . Many ninja with bigger reserves didn't even try to learn SM.....

So yea kiddo, Tobirama's reserves >> Minato's.*_*


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Now both of them break walls and rooms by simply awakening their chakra.... so, its either they have huge reserves, or they have powerful chakras. <<<< However, "powerful chakras" isn't a senju trait.

 

[KingHashirama]

Your opinion, I don't take anything you say that serious anyway. Databook puts jiraya at a 5 in stamina while Tsuande has a 4 or something. So I don't really gives a rats ass what you think.

Oh wow the experience card. That's the card one plays when they have no other arguments. Age and experience is not a factor in Naruto when it comes to high level opponents. I thought people knew this long ago. Itachi as a teen wipes the floor with orochimaru. Naruto and sasuke at 17 are the strongest despite their little experience. Gaara at 15/16 was Kazekage and stronger than most characters much older than him. So are we really playing experience card. Don't pull out that nonsense here, it doesn't work.

Tobirama more skilled Lol yet Minato took his title of fastest ninja and took tobiramas signature move and made it 10x better that he got a nickname after it and flee on sight... Loool whatever you say. The guy couldn't even learn senjutsu like his brother, probably too hard for him. You realise every jutsu Tobirama made, he was surpassed right, everyone surpasses his in skill when it comes to his own jutsu. Minato taking on the strongest duo of the cloud village on multiple occasions. Tobirama dying to the gold and silver fodders, I mean brothers.. Lol

Tobirama was a grand Unlce, he was probably in between his mid 50s to early 60s when he died. Yet didn't have the brain to teleport his team back home to safety. Yeah, some experience.

Makes sense that the guy who has been active in fighting and has SM has more stamina, than someone who hasn't been active. :erm:

Bringing out the main characters to nulify the "experience card" is so petty. The main characters are also the only ones who surpassed the previous generations, that hadn't been surpassed by any one after them. :yeah: But this is a common argument, when people don't know how to counter someone's experience. "ohhh the main character did it at this age"... hes the bloody main character rofl. They surpass others in power, not in skills.

oooo that minato fapboying, without any manga base. Now lets see, Minato became the fastest, because he mastered shunshin, so that means hes more skilled in fighitng? Show me how he made it 10x better, i wanna see the shitty excuses you come up with. The s/t barrier Tobirama already has. The FTG V2 that yall used to wank to... Tobirama already has.

"Minato taking on the strongest duo of the cloud"..... yea when they weren't even the strongest shinobi in the village. :erm: And do show me where he took them on in 2 vs 1 after that 1 fight also, because the 1 time he went 2 vs 1 (or atleast Minato was trying to go 2 vs 1) he got his ass stalemated by Killer B rofl. *_*. Tobirama didn't even die to Silver and Gold brothers... if you are talking about the coup in Kumo.. hopefully you have the brain to comprehend the coup consisted of more than just kinkaku and ginkaku. :yeah: Tobirama died to 20 ninja of the kinkaku and ginkaku force, who for all we know might have destroyed Killer B and Ay also. Do you know how he died??


@Bold, maybe just maybe he couldn't do it?

 

[Great Master Minato]

Makes sense that the guy who has been active in fighting and has SM has more stamina, than someone who hasn't been active. :erm:

Bringing out the main characters to nulify the "experience card" is so petty. The main characters are also the only ones who surpassed the previous generations, that hadn't been surpassed by any one after them. :yeah: But this is a common argument, when people don't know how to counter someone's experience. "ohhh the main character did it at this age"... hes the bloody main character rofl. They surpass others in power, not in skills.

oooo that minato fapboying, without any manga base. Now lets see, Minato became the fastest, because he mastered shunshin, so that means hes more skilled in fighitng? Show me how he made it 10x better, i wanna see the shitty excuses you come up with. The s/t barrier Tobirama already has. The FTG V2 that yall used to wank to... Tobirama already has.

"Minato taking on the strongest duo of the cloud"..... yea when they weren't even the strongest shinobi in the village. :erm: And do show me where he took them on in 2 vs 1 after that 1 fight also, because the 1 time he went 2 vs 1 (or atleast Minato was trying to go 2 vs 1) he got his ass stalemated by Killer B rofl. *_*. Tobirama didn't even die to Silver and Gold brothers... if you are talking about the coup in Kumo.. hopefully you have the brain to comprehend the coup consisted of more than just kinkaku and ginkaku. :yeah: Tobirama died to 20 ninja of the kinkaku and ginkaku force, who for all we know might have destroyed Killer B and Ay also. Do you know how he died??


@Bold, maybe just maybe he couldn't do it?

Stop Trolling Mate.

 

[KingHashirama]

Stop Trolling Mate.

Coming from the guy who claimed Minato would destroy someone canonically stronger than him.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Coming from the guy who claimed Minato would destroy someone canonically stronger than him.

Who Exactly? If You Mean Edo Madara Then Sorry But BM Minato Would Shit All Over Him.

 

[KingHashirama]

Who Exactly? If You Mean Edo Madara Then Sorry But BM Minato Would Shit All Over Him.

BM Minato....... yea thats pretty much the only way he can get on their level... rofl.

- he needs to be dead
- he needs to have the kyuubi's chakra



Otherwise Minato is a mere child for Tobirama/Hashirama/Madara......