[Discussion] Stawhat ranking

[Mephew D Kensei]

What I got from this Oda said Ussop will b the weakest thing was actually that Ussop will always b one who can b comparable to a normal human so when compared to the likes of Luffy, Zoro or anyone with above normal physical stats yes he wld b the weakest in the SH. Nami however is quite comparable to a normal human just like Ussop so their strenght difference is not the punchline to that statement.

Not forgetting that in the shonen sense when someone mentions fight the picture 'we' get is probably two guys fighting so IMO the conversation btwn Tanaka n Oda was more in the compare Ussop to the other guys in the crew n at that time it was only 5 SH, and to add Nami wasn't the fighter she later became so she wasnt part of the pple Ussop was being compared to in this very general conversation.

Im too lazy to confirm when this conversation was had but if it was after alabasta the forget my last point.

 

[kageking]

Luffy
zoro
sanji
robin
franky
brook
chopper
usopp (pop greens + haki = deadly combo)

FTFY
nami

 

[Tomato God]

LOL PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DEBATE THIS......Sanji blitzes Robin and one shots her.

Yea cause. Robin can be blitzed. Someone never reads properly.

 

[KingOfAwesome]

Yea cause. Robin can be blitzed. Someone never reads properly.

Where does it say Robin can't be blitzed? Or where did she demonstrate feats reacting to a Sanji or Zoro level blitz?

 

[Tomato God]

Where does it say Robin can't be blitzed? Or where did she demonstrate feats reacting to a Sanji or Zoro level blitz?

Every blitz attempt on robin has failed point blank period

 

[-Akuma-]

Every blitz attempt on robin has failed point blank period

Because nobody note worthy had tried to, your telling me if Kizaru tries to blitz Robin he won't because nobody else has......Pretty sure Robin was badly outsped by the little people aswell. Any serious M3 should be capable of blitzing Robin.

 

[KingOfAwesome]

Every blitz attempt on robin has failed point blank period

Lol? This is argument from appealing to tradition, a logical fallacy.

This is when someone claims that an argument must be true because it's the way things have always been done previously, or the thing that people always believed before.

Example: "There can't be a Naruto character that can beat Luffy, because it's always been known in the OBD that Naruto characters are no match for him."

The person in this example doesn't actually try debating the Naruto character vs. Luffy, he just says that Luffy wins because he's always won previously against Naruto characters.

Just because blitz attempts done on Robin in the past (by much slower characters than Zoro and Sanji post-timeskip) has failed do not mean all attempts will fail, this is a prime example of flawed logic. If this were to be the case, top-tier speedsters such as Mihawk, Rayleigh, Shanks, and even Kizaru would also fail against Robin. On another note, you've still yet to show evidence of Robin reacting to something Sanji or Zoro level speed.

 

[KingOfAwesome]

Because nobody note worthy had tried to, your telling me if Kizaru tries to blitz Robin he won't because nobody else has......Pretty sure Robin was badly outsped by the little people aswell. Any serious M3 should be capable of blitzing Robin.

He's clearly not that intelligent, your words are falling on deaf ears lol

 

[Tomato God]

Because nobody note worthy had tried to, your telling me if Kizaru tries to blitz Robin he won't because nobody else has......Pretty sure Robin was badly outsped by the little people aswell. Any serious M3 should be capable of blitzing Robin.

Leo out ran zoro for quite a bit but robin point blank caught him
habaku moves so fast you cant see him.
robin point blank caught him




Aand @king of awesome habaku moves like the speed of soru something sanji and zoro do not

Habaku is as fast as sanji who is faster tgan zoro

 

[KingOfAwesome]

Leo out ran zoro for quite a bit but robin point blank caught him

And Zoro was at full speed?

habaku moves so fast you cant see him

And your point is? This is no proper way to determine speed feats. Zoro would be moving faster than the basic eye as well, he has multiple feats that dictate this:

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and so on.

Aand @king of awesome habaku moves like the speed of soru something sanji and zoro do not

Habaku is as fast as sanji who is faster tgan zoro

Habaku? To whom are you referring? Also, are you implying that post timeskip Zoro and Sanji that via powerscaling are faster than Gear 2 Luffy pre skip who was faster than the avg Soru are not faster than Soru?

Also, speed doesn't have to be a concern. Sanji can stay aerial with Geppou and use attacks such as Hells Nightmare meanwhile Zoro can use air slashes, pound hou, and Tatsumaki.

 

[Tomato God]

And Zoro was at full speed?



And your point is? This is no proper way to determine speed feats. Zoro would be moving faster than the basic eye as well, he has multiple feats that dictate this:

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Habaku? To whom are you referring? Also, are you implying that post timeskip Zoro and Sanji that via powerscaling are faster than Gear 2 Luffy pre skip who was faster than the avg Soru are not faster than Soru?

Also, speed doesn't have to be a concern. Sanji can stay aerial with Geppou and use attacks such as Hells Nightmare meanwhile Zoro can use air slashes, pound hou, and Tatsumaki.

Staying distant doesnt help robin can clutch what she sees

.and iirc habaku was sleep walking cadivish
who is someone she has caught
who is up there in speed.

Why wouldnt zoro be running full speed after his stuff?

 

[KingOfAwesome]

.and iirc habaku was sleep walking cadivish
who is someone she has caught
who is up there in speed.

Oh, you meant Hakuba. Hakuba at Sanji level? Scans please? Even so, she managed to stop Hakuba when he was very close to hitting her, which at that point for Zoro could just result in an airslash or he can get close and Tatsumaki.

Why wouldnt zoro be running full speed after his stuff?

He has better speed feats. He jumped mid-air before cannonballs hit and managed to cut them all in half as I showed you in Water 7, with insane speed like that, could you really call him running full speed? It's sort of an inconsistency for speed and only used for plot reasons, for example: during marineford when Mihawk eyed down Luffy who was in Gear 2, Luffy was running to save ace, yet he overpowered a skilled Soru user Blueno and managed to keep up with/slightly outspeed Lucci only several arcs prior.

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[A v i]

Flip Usopp and Nami. Oda said Usopp will always be the weakest no matter who joins. Idk about Franky and Robin for now, might go either way.

There are arguments that says that it was a mistranslation.

 

[-Akuma-]

Leo out ran zoro for quite a bit but robin point blank caught him
habaku moves so fast you cant see him.
robin point blank caught him




Aand @king of awesome habaku moves like the speed of soru something sanji and zoro do not

Habaku is as fast as sanji who is faster tgan zoro

Doesnt change the fact Robin was restrained easily by the little people, Hakuba's best feat is blitzing collesum fodders....While Cavemdish was trying to surpress Hakuba....So again don't know how that gives her good enough reaction to not get blitzed by Sanji.

 

[Tomato God]

Oh, you meant Hakuba. Hakuba at Sanji level? Scans please? Even so, she managed to stop Hakuba when he was very close to hitting her, which at that point for Zoro could just result in an airslash or he can get close and Tatsumaki.

Yea sorry about that I am bad at spelling.
And I would post scans but i am on my phone. And dodging cannonballs or bullets don't give him speed feats as in movement speed they are reaction time feats which we can all agree are insane but not actual running speed
his sprinting speed or the speed in which is required not to move his body fast out of the way or into the way but to close a large gap is point blank pathetic.

The type of speed I am referring to is what shanks did when blocking Anaku and ben beckman blocking kizaru speed that makes it look like you just appeared out of no where closing large distances.

He has better speed feats. He jumped mid-air before cannonballs hit and managed to cut them all in half as I showed you in Water 7, with insane speed like that, could you really call him running full speed? It's sort of an inconsistency for speed and only used for plot reasons, for example: during marineford when Mihawk eyed down Luffy who was in Gear 2, Luffy was running to save ace, yet he overpowered a skilled Soru user Blueno and managed to keep up with/slightly outspeed Lucci only several arcs prior.

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Its him moving up or down or jumping or turning or swing his sword that are all beastly in speed... zoro hasn't shown insane movement speed like sanji did when he flew to fight DD to protect the Sunny team at the beggining of this arc. That is gap closing speed and Hakuba is still been potrayed to be up there with sanji in terms of gap closign speed.

Doesnt change the fact Robin was restrained easily by the little people, Hakuba's best feat is blitzing collesum fodders....While Cavemdish was trying to surpress Hakuba....So again don't know how that gives her good enough reaction to not get blitzed by Sanji.

those collosume "fodders" werent the only ones impressed by his speed sabo was and so were all the on lookers watching the collosum fight.

Habaku wasnt being restrained at the time at the time habaku was running a rampage. After Robin caught Cabbage then he started trying to suppress him.

 

[MickNerks]

I dont see how anybody can rate the strawhats when they are only just beginning to show there power. Next month this same exact thread will probably be made with a whole new list because certain strawhats will have displayed some note-worthy feat or because someone new will join the crew.

If I had to judge now I would say the list goes something like this:

1. Luffy


2. Zoro = Sanji

Spoiler

Sanji always seems to be underestimated when he has yet to give any real feats yet. He has both been able to hold his own (by that I mean not die) against a vice admiral AND Doflamingo and recieve praise from both.

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3. Franky


4. Robin

Spoiler

Though Robin is extremely powerful and Versatile, she does not have the physical strength to put down Franky or anyone from the monster Trio. Her most powerful attack is Mil Fleur: Gigantesco Mano, which any of the people I nmed above could easily slice or blow away, which would cause harm to Robin.

5. Brook


6. Chopper


7. Nami

Spoiler

Nami is stronger using her Sorcery Clima-Tech, then usopp with his hammer or slingshot. She can become invisible which would completely make usopp a sitting duck. She could fry him with lightning storms or blast him away with hurricanes.

8. Usopp