Argument on why Madara can beat Naruto and Sasuke indivually (Actual Argument)

[Omar19992010]

I will actually make a decent Argument on why Madara beats both Naruto and Sasuke individually and I'm not a troll or Madara fapboy

Naruto
People forget that Ashura Avatar requires tons of Natural energy which Naruto needs tons of time to gather all that Natural energy it's not gonna happen when Madara will be able to sense Naruto gathering it and put a stop to it.

Kurama Avatar would be put down by PS which would theoretically be stronger than Kurama Avatar due to the fact that
Six Paths Senjutsu + Rikudo Chakra>Six Paths Senjutsu.

Clones are useless when Madara can counter them with Mokuton and Limbo clones plus Madara can tell which one's the Original so he'll just go after the original and Rasenshuriken and Rasengan variants get absorbed with Preta Path.

Chibaku Tensei and Limbo clones keep Naruto busy just like in Cannon and in that time Madara cast IT to get rid of Naruto. If Naruto decides to Kyuubi Avatar to blow up the Chibaku Tensei. Madara just makes them Bigger. Madara can regnerate from all of Naruto's attacks within seconds

Sasuke
There are multiple ways that Madara can avoid being blitzed by Amenotejikara

1. Put up ribcage Susano'o
2. He'll have a fresh set of Truth Seeking balls in which he can create a shield which would act as a meat shield
3. Switch with a Limbo

Sasuke's Rinnegan techniques aren't gonna do him much good when Madara's Rinnegan techniques are on a way higher scale than Sasuke's. Plus Sasuke can't deal with Limbo's as easily as Naruto in which he can't seal them away. People forget that Sasuke's eye has a cool down in which he's powerless for that set time if he overuses it.

Once Sasuke decides to use his Bijuu Perfect Susano'o, Madara's not out of options.

Indra's Arrow can be countered by a High Powered ST which would stop Indra's arrow dead in it's tracks or he can take the hit and regenerate from it and Sasuke wastes most of his Chakra and Sasuke can't seal him away because he lacks the Moon and Sun Seals.

Hypothetically speaking Mokuton clones should be able to use PS like when Naruto used Multiple Kurama avatars which would keep Sasuke busy enough for Madara to prep a Quad Juubi TBB to eradicate Sasuke's Bijuu PS considering he didn't even know Naruto was gathering Natural energy.

That's my Argument right there and if anybody wants to debate I'll debate.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Edit; good post

 

[AndreJNZ]

Yup...good point

 

[Venomous Cobra]

or just let the 4 limbo use Perfect sousano lol

OT;good thread

 

[Lightbringer]

If we're talking about JJ Madara, then that's obvious. He can't be killed and would need both to seal him.

 

[sharingan7]

One eyed madara takes that L...,
Sasuke Can see limbo if I'm not mistaken
And if madara could use susanoo while he had one eye I'm pretty sure he would've. Naruto and sasuke both solo one eye madara mid diff.
2 eyed madara however wins

 

[TsukiNoMe]

why argue about someone that is already dead? Orochimaru destroys them all.

 

[V h o]

I don't understand this "ashura avatar requiring tons of natural energy" when the natural energy was only used for the RSs. Zzz

 

[Omar19992010]

I don't understand this "ashura avatar requiring tons of natural energy" when the natural energy was only used for the RSs. Zzz

Naruto barely had any Chakra left and was about to get put down. Once he got the Natural energy he was able to Make the Ashura Avatar and Rasenshuriken.

 

[V h o]

Naruto barely had any Chakra left and was about to get put down. Once he got the Natural energy he was able to Make the Ashura Avatar and Rasenshuriken.

By Ashura avatar, are you talking about the 3 chakra avatars that fused into one? Because he made those before the natural energy. Or am I missing something? Zzz

 

[ANiMUS]

This was kinda obvious, but u kinda need rikudou chakra to have six path Senjutsu :|

Naruto and maybe Sasuke can take one eye Madara, but two eyed takes them both individually

 

[Omar19992010]

By Ashura avatar, are you talking about the 3 chakra avatars that fused into one? Because he made those before the natural energy. Or am I missing something? Zzz

They started fusing before it but the Natural energy Kurama collected allowed to be as powerful as it was. Considering Naruto had to wait before Kurama gathered Natural energy before he could use it pretty much implies that it can't be used without all the natural energy.

 

[sharingan7]

Also sasuke rinnegan is 2 put together with a special s/t ability. His rinnegan is better than the regular one

 

[V h o]

They started fusing before it but the Natural energy Kurama collected allowed to be as powerful as it was. Considering Naruto had to wait before Kurama gathered Natural energy before he could use it pretty much implies that it can't be used without all the natural energy.

Natural energy was used for just the RSs. The 3 chakra avatar fusion was

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. I don't even see how you figure the avatar was increased in any shape or form, when the best feat it has is throwing the 2 natural RSs....

 

[Omar19992010]

Also sasuke rinnegan is 2 put together with a special s/t ability. His rinnegan is better than the regular one

It's obviously better than the Regular one however I'm not so sure it's as powerful as Madara's Rinnegan when he's in his Rikudō form due to the fact that the Juubi allows him to use his Rinnegan techniques on a massive scale.

For example he did Country level Chibaku Tensei on a casual level without really any effort.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Okay what? Is this Naruto and sasuke with the seals or without???? Because if it's without then that's....kind of obvious...your entire post would've just been irrelevant. But if it's with that's another story. This topic has no purpose, Naruto and sasuke get stomped by juubi Jin madara without their seals and individually. the only one who stands the greatest chance is Naruto, and that's just because unrivaled strength would put madara through larger blitzaggeddon than eight gates gai. Plus senjutsu would would hurt madara, naruto's 9 TB rasenshurikens that he used against kaguya would neg madara and make him unstable. Naruto proceeds to pull tail beasts out with unrivaled strength. Not to mention naruto's TITANIC kage bush in that he used against kaguya would rofl stomp madara's limbos. And madara's satellite CT.

 

[Omar19992010]

Natural energy was used for just the RSs. The 3 chakra avatar fusion was

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. I don't even see how you figure the avatar was increased in any shape or form, when the best feat it has is throwing the 2 natural RSs....

That's the point. He needed Natural energy to throw those two Rasenshueiken which are the strongest thing in Naruto's Arsenal.

 

[V h o]

That's the point. He needed Natural energy to throw those two Rasenshueiken which are the strongest thing in Naruto's Arsenal.

So how does that equal to this:

People forget that Ashura Avatar requires tons of Natural energy which Naruto needs tons of time to gather all that Natural energy.

You know since it was already done before natural energy Zzz

 

[Omar19992010]

Okay what? Is this Naruto and sasuke with the seals or without???? Because if it's without then that's....kind of obvious...your entire post would've just been irrelevant. But if it's with that's another story. This topic has no purpose, Naruto and sasuke get stomped by juubi Jin madara without their seals and individually. the only one who stands the greatest chance is Naruto, and that's just because unrivaled strength would put madara through larger blitzaggeddon than eight gates gai. Plus senjutsu would would hurt madara, naruto's 9 TB rasenshurikens that he used against kaguya would neg madara and make him unstable. Naruto proceeds to pull tail beasts out with unrivaled strength. Not to mention naruto's TITANIC kage bush in that he used against kaguya would rofl stomp madara's limbos. And madara's satellite CT.

It's called evading the Rasenshuriken or using ST to stop it in it's tracks and like I said before Madara can see through clones so he goes after the original. The clones are countered by Mokuton clones.

Madara just makes his Chibaku Tensei bigger in which Naruto would need to gather Natural energy for his two massive Rasenshuriken but by that time Madara would've already casted IT.

 

[Glad Of War]

I will actually make a decent Argument on why Madara beats both Naruto and Sasuke individually and I'm not a troll or Madara fapboy

Naruto
People forget that Ashura Avatar requires tons of Natural energy which Naruto needs tons of time to gather all that Natural energy it's not gonna happen when Madara will be able to sense Naruto gathering it and put a stop to it.

Kurama Avatar would be put down by PS which would theoretically be stronger than Kurama Avatar due to the fact that
Six Paths Senjutsu + Rikudo Chakra>Six Paths Senjutsu.

Clones are useless when Madara can counter them with Mokuton and Limbo clones plus Madara can tell which one's the Original so he'll just go after the original and Rasenshuriken and Rasengan variants get absorbed with Preta Path.

Chibaku Tensei and Limbo clones keep Naruto busy just like in Cannon and in that time Madara cast IT to get rid of Naruto. If Naruto decides to Kyuubi Avatar to blow up the Chibaku Tensei. Madara just makes them Bigger. Madara can regnerate from all of Naruto's attacks within seconds

Sasuke
There are multiple ways that Madara can avoid being blitzed by Amenotejikara

1. Put up ribcage Susano'o
2. He'll have a fresh set of Truth Seeking balls in which he can create a shield which would act as a meat shield
3. Switch with a Limbo

Sasuke's Rinnegan techniques aren't gonna do him much good when Madara's Rinnegan techniques are on a way higher scale than Sasuke's. Plus Sasuke can't deal with Limbo's as easily as Naruto in which he can't seal them away. People forget that Sasuke's eye has a cool down in which he's powerless for that set time if he overuses it.

Once Sasuke decides to use his Bijuu Perfect Susano'o, Madara's not out of options.

Indra's Arrow can be countered by a High Powered ST which would stop Indra's arrow dead in it's tracks or he can take the hit and regenerate from it and Sasuke wastes most of his Chakra and Sasuke can't seal him away because he lacks the Moon and Sun Seals.

Hypothetically speaking Mokuton clones should be able to use PS like when Naruto used Multiple Kurama avatars which would keep Sasuke busy enough for Madara to prep a Quad Juubi TBB to eradicate Sasuke's Bijuu PS considering he didn't even know Naruto was gathering Natural energy.

That's my Argument right there and if anybody wants to debate I'll debate.

• First of all, Naruto gathered a Large amount of Nature Energy in minutes, He Even admitted he gathered too much.

• Secondly Kurama avatar certainly can't be put down by any form of Perfect Susanoo considering Sasuke Indra's Susano with Bijuu chakra didn't do much.

• Thirdly Naruto clones were shown to actually match Madara's Limbo. Besides Naruto doesn't need to use normal Rasenshuriken, Lava Rasenshuriken would be enough.

• Fourtly, Madara can't possibly regenerate if he gets distingrated to mere molecules. And Naruto Bijuu-Dama has already been shown to destroy Multi-Satellites with relative ease.

• Finally, you do realize, Sasuke literally severed Madara in Half?
He's Indra Perfect Susanoo definitely surpassed Madara's easily, Besides If Naruto and Sasuke works together Madara doesn't stand a chance!