Minato vs Kabuto

[Beans2]

Kabuto wins mid difficulty scenario 1
Minato takes the second one low difficulty

 

[Narutimate Storm]

That is not true.

Dont care about opinion of yours.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kabuto takes scenario 1, but loses scenario 2 of course.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kabuto wins both scene's he can only win scene 2 if he starts with Edo's on the BF. ​

 

[HiddenSound]

Dont care about opinion of yours.

That's fine. You don't have to care, I'd just like to see if you have anything to back that statement up.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Scenario 1 : It Seems Base Minato Doesn't Have Anything To Put DSM Kabuto Down But Since The Match Is Not In a Cave I Think Kabotu Can't Beat Minato That Easily...Minato Has His Chances...

Scenario 2 : BM Minato Shits On Entire Akatsuki + Kabuto Lol

 

[Narutimate Storm]

That's fine. You don't have to care, I'd just like to see if you have anything to back that statement up.

Biggest probkem from kabuto being genjutsu. The dragon rage gen is strong but one can still think and move and speak. Minato sense if kabuto try to attack while under Genjutsu and teleport to next marker until genjutsu disaappear. That genjutsu not last long, so as long as minato keep teleporting he fine. Because hirashin only require thought process, minato can still move around just with thinking. Tauyaya genjutsu also no good becusse itschi and sasuke still can move and use genjutsu on each other. Which mean minato also can still oerform hiraishin and teleport to maNy marking. Each teleprt will dusrupt user minato chakra and eventually break him free, since hirashin also use chakra and each use will effect his chakra.

Kabuto liquid ability not automatic like lot of buffoon here think. Kabuto is not hozuki clan memebrr, so be need must first activate jutsu first. If minato speed catch him off guard, then kabito unabke to activate jutsu. Just like itachi who cut kabuto horn or when sasuke shoot arrow at kabuto tail. Both attack hitted kabuto and work effective. Minato has the speed and hirashin surprise. So minato can hurt him. No matter of the number time kabuto shed skin, that jutsu use lot of chakra and cannot spam it forever.

With summonining, minato also have senjutsu and toad elder support like jiraya. Minato kagebunshin can provided distraction for minato. Kabuto be sealed as well instead of kill by minato. Minato have shadow clone Shiki fuin, Hakke fuin and Gama Hyotan to seal kabuto in acid. Kabuto cannot see shiki fuin so almost impossible to avoid.

Minato capable to be able to win, it 50:50. Depend on location + preparation + knowledge. This not one sided fight like some think, minato has shown just about enough of a decent arsenal to win this.

 

[Bogard]

Kabuto wins S1 and loses S2.

How does Kabuto win scenario1 on this open playground? He has no hope to hit or even simply hinder for long Minato the moment he will start spreading kunais in close-mid and especially long range distances considering not only his jutsus are close-mid range max, but Minato is a sensor(white rage losing its meaning) with superior reaction speed. Sure Minato will likely have problems putting him down but unlike Kabuto, he actually has the means to quickly tag him with the speed of his shunshin/hiraishin, hiraishin allowing him to directly be on him at any point of the battle similar to how he did against JJ Madara and with a never disappearing marking combined with sealing jutsus like eight trigrams or shiki fujin, nin/gen support(with summons), defeating Kabuto is a greater possibility than the contrary

 

[Bantos]

Minato has no chance in winning.

 

[Haizaki]

Kabuto stomps Minato in scenario 1..No argument.

Minato probably wins the second but it's still not certain tbh

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Kabuto win scenario1 on this open playground? He has no hope to hit or even simply hinder for long Minato the moment he will start spreading kunais in close-mid and especially long range distances considering not only his jutsus are close-mid range max, but Minato is a sensor(white rage losing its meaning) with superior reaction speed. Sure Minato will likely have problems putting him down but unlike Kabuto, he actually has the means to quickly tag him with the speed of his shunshin/hiraishin, hiraishin allowing him to directly be on him at any point of the battle similar to how he did against JJ Madara and with a never disappearing marking combined with sealing jutsus like eight trigrams or shiki fujin, nin/gen support(with summons), defeating Kabuto is a greater possibility than the contrary

All he needs to do is shift his Kunai toward the center of conflict with Muki Tensei, and then let off White Rage. Minato being a sensor means nothing if he can't evade Kabuto's incoming attack, and with all his Hiraishin Kunai and markings gathered at one spot, he's not going to evade. Then there's Manda II, which Minato can't put down via conventional means, nor will he be able to seal it if Kabuto is still active, since Kabuto can prevent him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

All he needs to do is shift his Kunai toward the center of conflict with Muki Tensei, and then let off White Rage. Minato being a sensor means nothing if he can't evade Kabuto's incoming attack, and with all his Hiraishin Kunai and markings gathered at one spot, he's not going to evade. Then there's Manda II, which Minato can't put down via conventional means, nor will he be able to seal it if Kabuto is still active, since Kabuto can prevent him.

What of the distant Kunai that Minatos clones have gone off and planted? The fact that he can mark a radius much larger than the Juubi on his own (without clones), means kabuto shouldn't be able to just gather all his kunai like you have suggested. Not to mention he can throw more than 2 dozen at a time and his clones also create their own kunai as seen in the manga. So that's a lot of Kunai and escape options of I do say so myself.

 

[KidGamer65]

What of the distant Kunai that Minatos clones have gone off and planted? The fact that he can mark a radius much larger than the Juubi on his own (without clones),

Sure, he can use those, but when he wants to come back, he'll teleport right to where Kabuto is, and then that's GG for him. The bold doesn't matter much since Minato was not only out of combat, but he had an unspecified amount of time to do that.

[means kabuto shouldn't be able to just gather all his kunai like you have suggested. Not to mention he can throw more than 2 dozen at a time and his clones also create their own kunai as seen in the manga. So that's a lot of Kunai and escape options of I do say so myself.

And Kabuto can control the whole area with Muki Tensei. Burying and shifting these Kunai isn't going to be an issue.

 

[Bogard]

All he needs to do is shift his Kunai toward the center of conflict with Muki Tensei, and then let off White Rage. Minato being a sensor means nothing if he can't evade Kabuto's incoming attack, and with all his Hiraishin Kunai and markings gathered at one spot, he's not going to evade. Then there's Manda II, which Minato can't put down via conventional means, nor will he be able to seal it if Kabuto is still active, since Kabuto can prevent him.

1- Muki tensei is a

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. It's not like he can control the entire playground in this openfield

2- Minato is still connected to his kunais that he can summon back at will. The muki tensei terrain deformation takes time. Minato can easily summon them back and throw them on another location to escape the range

3- During Kyubi's attack, we've seen that in just one of his safe house(so let alone the main one), he actually left around 8bags full of kunais with each bags containing around 50kunais each(judging by the amount he threw while facing Raikage) and he had at least 2 safe houses known, let alone the ones we may not have known and his own main house. All this tell that unlike the popular belief, Minato can never run out of his kunais which is understandable considering he is the one who forge them and always prepare full of them beforehand and it's not like he can't prepare as many as he wants. Even if he were in a situation where on the current playground, he were lacking kunais, he can easily summon kunais from other locations and use it in battle. In the muki tensei case, it's not like it is instant or that he was immobile. No during the meantime, he can easily throw kunais far away in other directions and escape the range

4- Being sensor actually means something in this case considering the white rage has only 2main purposes. Blinding the enemy(useless against a sensor) and immobilize him(hiraishin requires no movement). With kunais all around the battlefield then, white rage loses its meaning

5- True Manda II will be a problem, but in that case i see no reason why Minato won't summon sage toads for the support and they have the sufficient techniques to put him down. Enough force may even unsummon him directly

Sure, he can use those, but when he wants to come back, he'll teleport right to where Kabuto is, and then that's GG for him. The bold doesn't matter much since Minato was not only out of combat, but he had an unspecified amount of time to do that.

I doubt Minato spent majority of his time circling the jubi his kunais when the entire alliance was in danger to be crushed at any time. Besides, even in the gaiden, we've already seen regular shinobis capable to throw kunais at mountain ranges. Not sure why people think it's an impossible feat

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

He does Beat the entire Akatuski. I think your forgetting that Minato is a Seals Master. Most of the Akatuski get blitzed right off the bat with the combination of FTG and his foot speed in Bijuu Mode which is the same or exceeds Bijuu Mode Naruto. The rest if they do survive get incapacitated with a Bijuu Dama and Minato seals them.

Akatuski and Kabuto don't stand a chance.

Rofl, nagato and itachi are enough to take out BM Minato. As usual, your overrating FTG.

 

[KidGamer65]

1- Muki tensei is a

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. It's not like he can control the entire playground in this openfield

It being classified short-mid range doesn't mean that only works at those ranges. Amenotejikara works at long ranges, as Naruto vs. Sasuke and the final clash between Team 7 and Kaguya shows us, despite it being classified as short-mid range. Amaterasu hit the Cerberus when Itachi used it, despite it being short-mid range.

Kabuto controlled that whole entire cave with Muki Tensei. Controlling a large portion of the area isn't unlikely, and even then, he can use the controlled portions to reach the areas where he couldn't control directly, and still get Minato's Kunai.

2- Minato is still connected to his kunais that he can summon back at will. The muki tensei terrain deformation takes time. Minato can easily summon them back and throw them on another location to escape the range

He can't summon his Kunai back to him.

3- During Kyubi's attack, we've seen that in just one of his safe house(so let alone the main one), he actually left around 8bags full of kunais with each bags containing around 50kunais each(judging by the amount he threw while facing Raikage) and he had at least 2 safe houses known, let alone the ones we may not have known and his own main house. All this tell that unlike the popular belief, Minato can never run out of his kunais which is understandable considering he is the one who forge them and always prepare full of them beforehand and it's not like he can't prepare as many as he wants. Even if he were in a situation where on the current playground, he were lacking kunais, he can easily summon kunais from other locations and use it in battle. In the muki tensei case, it's not like it is instant or that he was immobile. No during the meantime, he can easily throw kunais far away in other directions and escape the range

I never expected him to run out, but he can't summon his Kunai. Not sure where that is coming from. If it's from him summoning his clone, that only works because of chakra. No evidence he can summon marked objects to himself.

Far away? How far away? Cause Muki Tensei can always pick up what Minato tosses afterwards, or it can block the Kunai he tosses, keeping them in the immediate area.

4- Being sensor actually means something in this case considering the white rage has only 2main purposes. Blinding the enemy(useless against a sensor) and immobilize him(hiraishin requires no movement). With kunais all around the battlefield then, white rage loses its meaning

If all the kunai are in an area Kabuto can hit at once, teleportation isn't going to matter. Agreed on the sensing part.

5- True Manda II will be a problem, but in that case i see no reason why Minato won't summon sage toads for the support and they have the sufficient techniques to put him down. Enough force may even unsummon him directly

That takes time, and he's left unable to do anything but teleport around while gathering the power needed to summon them. That gives Kabuto ample time to shift all of Minato's markings to one concentrated location.

I doubt Minato spent majority of his time circling the jubi his kunais when the entire alliance was in danger to be crushed at any time. Besides, even in the gaiden, we've already seen regular shinobis capable to throw kunais at mountain ranges. Not sure why people think it's an impossible feat[/QUOTE]

 

[Gold Lightning]

Sure, he can use those, but when he wants to come back, he'll teleport right to where Kabuto is, and then that's GG for him. The bold doesn't matter much since Minato was not only out of combat, but he had an unspecified amount of time to do that.



And Kabuto can control the whole area with Muki Tensei. Burying and shifting these Kunai isn't going to be an issue.

You're seriously overestimating Muki tensei I think. Databook listed as a short to medium range technique. Kabuto cannot play around with the entire battlefield. How does this technique "bury" kunai? The pillars release from the ground, all they'll do is knock the kunai around a bit. Why would minato teleport back into a dangerous position that he just left, when he can simply Shunshin back or send a clone back to see if the area is clear?

The alliance was about to get wrecked, you think minato spend long planting those kunai? Nah he did that so fast that no sensor was able to detect him and no one noticed a blond haired edo running round a Juubi planting kunai. I think you underestimate his shunshin speed. Also Hiruzen and Tobirama were very impressed at how fast he set those markings, so obviously minato did it very quickly and wasted no time at all.

And again, what does kabuto do about all the extra distant markings that Minato's clones can distribute.. Nothing.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're seriously overestimating Muki tensei I think. Databook listed as a short to medium range technique. Kabuto cannot play around with the entire battlefield. How does this technique "bury" kunai? The pillars release from the ground, all they'll do is knock the kunai around a bit.

Read my reply to Bogard for the short-mid range stuff. Also, Muki Tensei lets him control inorganic materials. Who told you pillars have to be created? He simply splits the ground apart and shifts the Kunai into the hole. Or he brings Kunai into one point, meaning Minato has to teleport there if he leaves the area meaning he dies.

Why would minato teleport back into a dangerous position that he just left, when he can simply Shunshin back or send a clone back to see if the area is clear?

Lol, Hiraishin is the only way he's getting back. Shunshin back? From where? Lol. If he leaves the battle and doesn't teleport back immediately, it's a BFR. The only reason it's not BFR is because he can teleport to and from the arena.

A clone? It gets killed and then he's back to square 1. He himself has to come back, so this teleport out of the battle arena thing isn't going to work.
The alliance was about to get wrecked, you think minato spend long planting those kunai? Nah he did that so fast that no sensor was able to detect him and no one noticed a blond haired edo running round a Juubi planting kunai. I think you underestimate his shunshin speed. Also Hiruzen and Tobirama were very impressed at how fast he set those markings, so obviously minato did it very quickly and wasted no time at all.

And again, what does kabuto do about all the extra distant markings that Minato's clones can distribute.. Nothing.

Then that leaves Minato an escape route and nothing more. Doesn't let him beat Kabuto in any way since his markings are easily countered in the immediate battle area.

 

[Chazzi]

Kabuto problably wins the first and Edo Itachi + Nagato stomps the shit out of Minato scenario 2.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Read my reply to Bogard for the short-mid range stuff. Also, Muki Tensei lets him control inorganic materials. Who told you pillars have to be created? He simply splits the ground apart and shifts the Kunai into the hole. Or he brings Kunai into one point, meaning Minato has to teleport there if he leaves the area meaning he dies.




Lol, Hiraishin is the only way he's getting back. Shunshin back? From where? Lol. If he leaves the battle and doesn't teleport back immediately, it's a BFR. The only reason it's not BFR is because he can teleport to and from the arena.

A clone? It gets killed and then he's back to square 1. He himself has to come back, so this teleport out of the battle arena thing isn't going to work.
The alliance was about to get wrecked, you think minato spend long planting those kunai? Nah he did that so fast that no sensor was able to detect him and no one noticed a blond haired edo running round a Juubi planting kunai. I think you underestimate his shunshin speed. Also Hiruzen and Tobirama were very impressed at how fast he set those markings, so obviously minato did it very quickly and wasted no time at all.



Then that leaves Minato an escape route and nothing more. Doesn't let him beat Kabuto in any way since his markings are easily countered in the immediate battle area.

Dude, you realise the location is the Sannin showdown place right? What's all this about BFR, that battlefield was huge, minatos clones can run 100m away and will still be the same location/battlefield.

Having an escape route may not allow minato to win, but neither can kabuto do anything but chase him down. I wonder how many times he can spam Muki tensei Lol. It's like you're implying muni Tensei can be spammed over and over and over again each time. And your range explanation means nothing, considering what I saw in the manga wasn't that large. That cave wasn't all that big either. I'll stick to the range that I saw in the manga.