ms Obito vs Uchiha brothers

[Indestructible]

Purely subjective, you contradicted your own logic, & it's even wrong.

1. By your logic the most common version of a character is based on how much panel time they got as you said earlier. [

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] & As I then said, the sasuke who fought bee was shown the most out of any version of MS sasuke, therefore by your logic when I speak of MS sasuke I'm referring to his weakest form.

Now you're telling me that common sense tells us the sasuke who fought danzo is the one that's implied when someone says "MS" sasuke, thereby contradicting what you said previously regarding panel time.

2. Danzo fight sasuke is not his most advanced form, the version when he fought kakashi was. [

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] & Even then this sasuke had about 20% of his original eyesight so then you'd have to specify whether this sasuke has healthy eyesight or not.

3. & If you want to base this off of which version is the more advanced one then MS obito + kurama > MS obito by himself regardless of the difference in experience [which could be little to none since madara already taught him everything he knew & died already], so that still doesn't work.



No, specification is always necessary when vaguely referring to a whole version of MS obito who had varying stages of strength, which is what you did.

As I said the sasuke who fought danzo was not the most advanced version of sasuke, yet obito w/ kurama was his most advanced version... & Power > age, just because obito was older doesn't mean that having kurama didn't make him less of a threat as a teenager, lol. Maturity has nothing to do with it.



Another irrelevant point. Naruto was 16 & he defeated kakuzu who was over 100 years old, what does that tell you about age & experience?



As I have already covered, age is irrelevant when one version has more power than the other. & You're completely missing the point now. There are multiple versions of EMS madara, multiple versions of MS sasuke, & multiple versions of MS obito. Just because one version is younger than the other version doesn't mean that it's common sense to assume he isn't the one being discussed, & that's just your opinion anyways.

Literally the only reason why you're calling it "common sense" is because one version is vastly older than the other, & that's just plain subjective.



Again stop with the awful examples, kid kakashi has no notable feats. The only impressive thing he's done was use raikiri, therefore it would be common sense to assume it's the adult version of kakashi since he's the only one with feats to debate with. So this example stays bad.

Now as for the neji example, getting better but still not there. Both neji & itachi were in pt 1 & pt 2, so you'd still have to specify which part you were referring to, & so there's zero common sense here.

If you put neji against a character from pt 2, common sense then tells us that it's pt 2 neji & vice versa for pt 1. If it's a character from pt 1 & 2 then you'd have to specify. It's not rocket science, stop trying to justify the fact that you just failed to specify the version & put no restrictions to boot. There's nothing to justify here, teen MS obito = MS obito, you just have to specify next time.



It doesn't help here.

Lol...okay if it means that much to you I will specify this is adult obito. But next time you should not jump the gun and assume this is teen obito with kurama and ask instead since it could be either. I firmly believe ms obito generally refers to adult as well.

 

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If OP is suggesting that he meant MS Obito as an adult, then there's nothing to debate. Despite his argument as to it being "obvious" not holding, it still would be a technical stipulation.

 

[Haizaki]

With a response like this you've clearly shown me that you know nothing of unorthodox's history, otherwise you'd know that the insults being thrown at him are more than deserved. So stop complaining, nobody needs to hear you whine. But it makes sense why you're trying to provoke me though considering our last encounter Lol.

Unorthodox this, Unorthodox that..But then forgot to address yourself. Last encounter? Not a problem. It's over but just thought I should point out your habit of throwing insults for no damn reason. Even when there's no sign of hate or disrespect towards you.

Lol, made me laugh. Lets talk about MS sasuke, okay now which version am I referring to? The one who fought the kage, danzo, or a healthy version of the one that fought kakashi? hmm

EMS Madara, which one am I referring to? VoTE madara or the madara w/o kurama? hmm

MS Obito, now which one am I referring to? Teen MS obito, or adult MS obito? hmm

Clearly there are different forms of the same character, just because adult MS obito is the most common form of MS obito doesn't mean that it's common sense to assume he's the one being used in this specific thread, not when nothing indicates what form it is.

Common sense stays common

Which is why you should be sensible and stop arguing with the OP himself. He made it clear to you which version so why still argue?

Let's also talk about the fact that Kurama isn't Obito's summoning. He used Kurama because he had access to him in that scenario like other Uchihas would do. Why don't we also add Yagura as well? Obito controlled him too? Means he's also part of his arsenal all the time? Please stop this irrelevant argument.

In threads when EMS Madara is mentioned, they usually don't talk about Kurama until it's brought up or mentioned by the OP...What's even funny is the fact that Madara brought Kurama with him unlike Obito who went there and just controlled Kurama...Something other Uchihas can do.

The OP however didn't mention Kurama here, so we're not imagining Obito with him just like we don't imagine Madara with Kurama until it's specified..If not specified, you know what exactly he's referring to..Very simple but yet you're arguing with even the OP himself for no reason when he's even making it clear to you what he's talking about.

If OP is suggesting that he meant MS Obito as an adult, then there's nothing to debate. Despite his argument as to it being "obvious" not holding, it still would be a technical stipulation.

Lol exactly...Didn't think it was that hard to process these things.

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

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[Draphsin]

If OP is suggesting that he meant MS Obito as an adult, then there's nothing to debate. Despite his argument as to it being "obvious" not holding, it still would be a technical stipulation.

I'm arguing the fact that he said it should be common sense to assume he was referring to adult obito. If the OP simply said that he meant adult obito & left it at that then yeah there would be nothing to debate here, but he didn't do that, he continuted to persist by indirectly telling me that I lack common sense.

Unorthodox this, Unorthodox that..But then forgot to address yourself.

There's nothing to address about myself, unorthodox is a moron who likes to insult others. He's been that way since I first joined these forums. I'm not going to address someone like that with any kind of respect so yeah, this has absolutely nothing to do with me & idk why you even brought me up.

Last encounter? Not a problem. It's over but just thought I should point out your habit of throwing insults for no damn reason.

Again, if you had any clue about unorthodox's past then you would would know that the insults are deserved & you wouldn't be defending him. Also why do I have to continuously repeat things to you over & over again? This isn't the first time I've had to reiterate what I said to you either.

Even when there's no sign of hate or disrespect towards you.

Smh, for the third time, look at his past before saying there was "no reason", this guy gives me a reason to insult him on a daily basis, & he's insulted me in the past & undermined my post in this thread. I don't take unorthodox with any shred of seriousness & you would be a fool if you didn't do the same. U_U

Which is why you should be sensible and stop arguing with the OP himself. He made it clear to you which version so why still argue?

Because his argument is now based on what's "common sense" despite nothing about the OP being common sense. The entire point of the argument shifted, I told him about kurama, he goes on to say he was referring to adult MS obito & it should've been obvious. Well no it's not & saying such a thing is completely subjective.

Let's also talk about the fact that Kurama isn't Obito's summoning.

Lol How about we talk about the fact that he is, obito has a summoning contract = it's his summoning until the point where minato released the contract.

He used Kurama because he had access to him in that scenario like other Uchihas would do.

Wrong, he summoned him, that's what the difference is. This form of obito can call kurama to his location at will, that's the difference between him/madara & the rest of the uchiha who can merely "utilize" kurama's power.

Why don't we also add Yagura as well? Obito controlled him too? Means he's also part of his arsenal all the time?

Because obito can't summon yagura to his location, & yagura has no feats so obito could be bad at controlling him in a combat situation for all we know. But the main fact is that obito can't summon yagura, & I laugh at the fact that you would make such a comparison & say that they're in any way similar. Lol

Please stop this irrelevant argument.

It's not irrelevant if you just take a couple seconds to try & comprehend it instead of hastily throwing up bad examples to try & contradict my logic instead.

In threads when EMS Madara is mentioned, they usually don't talk about Kurama until it's brought up or mentioned by the OP

Bold is exactly what I'm saying, in EMS madara threads you usually specify what version of madara is being used, & that can be determined by either the restrictions [kurama being restricted], or by the stipulations mentioned in the OP. If nothing about his version is mentioned then people would ask "is this VoTE madara?" Meaning is't not "common sense" to assume it's any specific form, not when it's never been mentioned by the OP.

...What's even funny is the fact that Madara brought Kurama with him unlike Obito who went there and just controlled Kurama...Something other Uchihas can do.

I guess you havent read the manga. [

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] U_U Obito can summon kurama, madara can as well, that's why they're allowed to use them is vs threads & no other uchiha is.

The OP however didn't mention Kurama here, so we're not imagining Obito with him just like we don't imagine Madara with Kurama until it's specified.

This is your opinion, when I see a match with "no restrictions" then to me that says kurama isn't restricted, since the obito in the thread is merely a "MS" obito then there's nothing to indicate that he was referring to his adult version. The lack of mentioning kurama is irrelevant, he failed to mention the form of MS obito. Just because he didn't mention kurama in the OP doesn't mean that it's not available, especially when he put up no restrictions.

If not specified, you know what exactly he's referring to.

Again subjective, unless he's stating which version then there's nothing to indicate which version he's actually talking about. The majority may think he's referring to adult obito, but someone else could easily assume he's talking about teen obito as well since most threads with MS obito usually have kurama restricted. Just because the majority assumes something doesn't mean that the minority lacks common sense for interpreting it differently, which has been my point from the get-go.

Nothing was obvious about which obito he wanted to use, since adult obito is the most common form you're telling me that it's the most obvious one, yet that's pure opinion.

Very simple but yet you're arguing with even the OP himself for no reason when he's even making it clear to you what he's talking about.

& Finally, read the darn argument before trying to act like a smart*ss. I'm arguing the fact that he said it's "obvious" that he was referring to an adult obito, not over whether kurama should be restricted. If the guy said "ok I meant the adult obito" after my initial post then none of this argument would be occurring, he [& you actually] told me that it's common sense to assume he was referring to adult obito when that's clearly subjective & based on how people interpret the OP. For me, no restrictions = kurama is fair game, & that doesn't mean I lack common sense so the OP [& you] is [are] wrong...

 

[LostTruth]

Itachi is fodder, Sasuke is even more fodder. Kamui gg.

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

Itachi is fodder, Sasuke is even more fodder. Kamui gg.

says the madara fan
bz called itachi invicible, bz literally neg diffed madara.
try again

 

[Haizaki]

I'm arguing the fact that he said it should be common sense to assume he was referring to adult obito. If the OP simply said that he meant adult obito & left it at that then yeah there would be nothing to debate here, but he didn't do that, he continuted to persist by indirectly telling me that I lack common sense.



There's nothing to address about myself, unorthodox is a moron who likes to insult others. He's been that way since I first joined these forums. I'm not going to address someone like that with any kind of respect so yeah, this has absolutely nothing to do with me & idk why you even brought me up.



Again, if you had any clue about unorthodox's past then you would would know that the insults are deserved & you wouldn't be defending him. Also why do I have to continuously repeat things to you over & over again? This isn't the first time I've had to reiterate what I said to you either.



Smh, for the third time, look at his past before saying there was "no reason", this guy gives me a reason to insult him on a daily basis, & he's insulted me in the past & undermined my post in this thread. I don't take unorthodox with any shred of seriousness & you would be a fool if you didn't do the same. U_U

You know the funniest part, how you say "For the third time" despite quoting one reply...Stop making this unnecessarily long.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure he doesn't throw insults or personalize issues like you're making it seem..I said you should address yourself because you complain about how he insults you or so but yet you did even worse when we debated despite not sign of disrespect towards you ..Pretty sure that's what Unorthodox is talking about, your overraction when Obito is involved.

Because his argument is now based on what's "common sense" despite nothing about the OP being common sense. The entire point of the argument shifted, I told him about kurama, he goes on to say he was referring to adult MS obito & it should've been obvious. Well no it's not & saying such a thing is completely subjective.

Lol How about we talk about the fact that he is, obito has a summoning contract = it's his summoning until the point where minato released the contract.



Wrong, he summoned him, that's what the difference is. This form of obito can call kurama to his location at will, that's the difference between him/madara & the rest of the uchiha who can merely "utilize" kurama's power.



Because obito can't summon yagura to his location, & yagura has no feats so obito could be bad at controlling him in a combat situation for all we know. But the main fact is that obito can't summon yagura, & I laugh at the fact that you would make such a comparison & say that they're in any way similar. Lol



It's not irrelevant if you just take a couple seconds to try & comprehend it instead of hastily throwing up bad examples to try & contradict my logic instead.



Bold is exactly what I'm saying, in EMS madara threads you usually specify what version of madara is being used, & that can be determined by either the restrictions [kurama being restricted], or by the stipulations mentioned in the OP. If nothing about his version is mentioned then people would ask "is this VoTE madara?" Meaning is't not "common sense" to assume it's any specific form, not when it's never been mentioned by the OP.



I guess you havent read the manga. [

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] U_U Obito can summon kurama, madara can as well, that's why they're allowed to use them is vs threads & no other uchiha is.



This is your opinion, when I see a match with "no restrictions" then to me that says kurama isn't restricted, since the obito in the thread is merely a "MS" obito then there's nothing to indicate that he was referring to his adult version. The lack of mentioning kurama is irrelevant, he failed to mention the form of MS obito. Just because he didn't mention kurama in the OP doesn't mean that it's not available, especially when he put up no restrictions.



Again subjective, unless he's stating which version then there's nothing to indicate which version he's actually talking about. The majority may think he's referring to adult obito, but someone else could easily assume he's talking about teen obito as well since most threads with MS obito usually have kurama restricted. Just because the majority assumes something doesn't mean that the minority lacks common sense for interpreting it differently, which has been my point from the get-go.

Nothing was obvious about which obito he wanted to use, since adult obito is the most common form you're telling me that it's the most obvious one, yet that's pure opinion.



& Finally, read the darn argument before trying to act like a smart*ss. I'm arguing the fact that he said it's "obvious" that he was referring to an adult obito, not over whether kurama should be restricted. If the guy said "ok I meant the adult obito" after my initial post then none of this argument would be occurring, he [& you actually] told me that it's common sense to assume he was referring to adult obito when that's clearly subjective & based on how people interpret the OP. For me, no restrictions = kurama is fair game, & that doesn't mean I lack common sense so the OP [& you] is [are] wrong...

Common sense was mentioned when you started arguing against the OP despite getting his point or what he actually meant. Not to mention stop addressing the arguments differently when they're all the same. You're making this unnecessarily long.

I'd admit you have a point with the Yagura bit but my main point was it shouldn't be part of his arsenal since in this situations, we imagine Kurama is still in Naruto as given by the Manga...So when we mention MS Obito, it should be clear what we're talking about when you think of the fact that there was still MS Obito when Naruto was the Jin except it's specified that he has Kurama in this battle. Notice how everyone else asides you came to this conclusion. Which is why I said it should be common sense.