[Discussion] Vergo vs Burgess

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Burgess is never losing to Vergo. That guy is around Doflamingo level(though i give the win to Doffy ultimately for now)

Lol what berguss got mid diffed by sabo who can't defeat doffy at least with current feats .... So how r they on same level

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

What has burgess done to put remotely on the level of vergo in terms of haki and speed etc... He took on sanji smoker and law 2 of which Idk if bergus can defeat .... Besides the fact tht he is blackbeard first mate what makes him on the level of vergo or apppearbtly doffy as well .... Lik really the only reason blackbeard is a yonko is because he took out an exhausted 70% dead whitebeard .... And the fact tht he has an over powered ass devil fruit.. there'd nothing tht suggests that. Burgess can even eat vergo

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

burgess is stronger but Vergo is a better all around fighter than burgess so i say vergo

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What has burgess done to put remotely on the level of vergo in terms of haki and speed etc... He took on sanji smoker and law 2 of which Idk if bergus can defeat .... Besides the fact tht he is blackbeard first mate what makes him on the level of vergo or apppearbtly doffy as well .... Lik really the only reason blackbeard is a yonko is because he took out an exhausted 70% dead whitebeard .... And the fact tht he has an over powered ass devil fruit.. there'd nothing tht suggests that. Burgess can even eat vergo

I'm pretty sure Burgess isn't BB's first mate.

 

[Anduril]

I think this will go to Vergo.

 

[shon93]

Burgess makes an example out of him..this is the 1st mate of a yonko he is not losing to Doffys underling

 

[Yonko]

Lol what berguss got mid diffed by sabo who can't defeat doffy at least with current feats .... So how r they on same level

sabo didnt mid diff burgess. he only damaged his armor. and it wasnt even a real fight.

 

[Yonko]

Lol what berguss got mid diffed by sabo who can't defeat doffy at least with current feats .... So how r they on same level

sabo didnt mid diff burgess. he only damaged his armor. and it wasnt even a real fight.

 

[shon93]

sabo didnt mid diff burgess. he only damaged his armor. and it wasnt even a real fight.

It definetly wont be a fight now..lol that guy is powered up

 

[Zorø]

Burgess wins he is portrayed to be the stronger opponent being the crewmate of a Yonko.

 

[Bogard]

Lol what berguss got mid diffed by sabo who can't defeat doffy at least with current feats .... So how r they on same level

Here we go again with this Doffy wanker. No, Burgess wasn't mid-diffed by Sabo. He didn't even lose and no Doflamingo isn't Sabo level, at least not current Sabo. At best, he's pre-mera Sabo level and the difference between pre-mera Sabo and Burgess isn't big at all

 

[ultraChalk]

Funny how people are pulling the feats argument now.

I guess that means Blueno by fears could beat Dragon then. :leaf:

 

[VongolaX]

Funny how people are pulling the feats argument now.

I guess that means Blueno by fears could beat Dragon then. :leaf:

Even then, pre timeskip Burgess is still greater in a different perspective.

Like how the Blackbeard pirates did battle with Sengoku (though off panelled)

Being a yonkou 1st division captain, and off screen/panelling the A-block within a couple of pages.

Being a Vice admiral is nothing to put you on par with people of that higher level, especially when we seen old sick Whitebeard literally one vice admirals.

Same can be said about dragon and blueno.

 

[akimofnevis]

Who wins the shit?

Vergo the haki master

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Here we go again with this Doffy wanker. No, Burgess wasn't mid-diffed by Sabo. He didn't even lose and no Doflamingo isn't Sabo level, at least not current Sabo. At best, he's pre-mera Sabo level and the difference between pre-mera Sabo and Burgess isn't big at all

Lol ok first of all u call me a wanker just because I have different opinion from u very mature ...
The only reason I mentioned doffy is because someone just said tht burgess can beat doffy like seriously...


And as for the sabo thing really... Show me anything that puts sabo above doffy that much .... ? I'll wait

U sound like the wanker u just said doffy is barely on the level of pre mera mera sabo that doesn't even make since he hasn't done shit....

 

[Punk Hazard]

Here we go again with this Doffy wanker. No, Burgess wasn't mid-diffed by Sabo. He didn't even lose and no Doflamingo isn't Sabo level, at least not current Sabo. At best, he's pre-mera Sabo level and the difference between pre-mera Sabo and Burgess isn't big at all

Why are people acting like the difference between Mera Sabo and Pre-Mera-Sabo is significant? While Sabo has the fruit's power, the only added thing he really has his intangibility, and any proficient Haki user like Doflamingo gets around that. Other than Hiken, the most he can do with his fruit is imbue the fire into his pipe, which doesn't do much for him. The maneuverability he does with the fire isn't really anything new, he was already quite agile with the physical movements of his normal body. If anything, the Mera just gives a more theatric version of what he was already doing. And it's not like he has Ace's arsenal automatically. Pre-Mera Sabo and Mera Sabo are the same level more or less.

 

[Bogard]

Why are people acting like the difference between Mera Sabo and Pre-Mera-Sabo is significant?

It is

While Sabo has the fruit's power, the only added thing he really has his intangibility, and any proficient Haki user like Doflamingo gets around that.

Intangibility that helped him to overcome Fujitora's gravity. He was lucky to be a logia, otherwise, that attack would have finished him

Other than Hiken, the most he can do with his fruit is imbue the fire into his pipe, which doesn't do much for him.

You mean that hiken that shattered the coloseum bottom floor? The fire power displayed is vastly above anything regular Sabo showed the capacity to accomplish.

The maneuverability he does with the fire isn't really anything new, he was already quite agile with the physical movements of his normal body. If anything, the Mera just gives a more theatric version of what he was already doing. And it's not like he has Ace's arsenal automatically. Pre-Mera Sabo and Mera Sabo are the same level more or less.

What a joke! He has:

1- Long range attacks(when he was a close range fighter)
2- Intangibility(that saved his ass versus Fujitora)
3- Huge fire power(town level destructive capacity). He even set the entire city on fire during his fight versus Fujitora
4- Great manoeuvrability(fire logia gives some sort of levitation and cross distances faster like we've again seen against Fujitora)

Sure this Sabo isn't different at all from his pre-mera version, just like how zoan Kaku was no different from normal Kaku after eating the fruit Lol

Lol ok first of all u call me a wanker just because I have different opinion from u very mature ...
The only reason I mentioned doffy is because someone just said tht burgess can beat doffy like seriously...

And as for the sabo thing really... Show me anything that puts sabo above doffy that much .... ? I'll wait

U sound like the wanker u just said doffy is barely on the level of pre mera mera sabo that doesn't even make since he hasn't done shit....

You spend your time overwanking Doffy by puting him above characters beyond his reach at every occasion you can, hence i called you a wanker

I don't need more feats to know Sabo is stronger than Doffy just like i don't need Rokugyou to show his feats before knowing he is stronger than him

 

[shon93]

Intangibility that helped him to overcome Fujitora's gravity. He was lucky to be a logia, otherwise, that attack would have finished him

If he was a non DF user Oda wouldnt have had him tanked it..u forgot to mention bullets was hitting Sabo in his logia mode. We all know they wouldnt hit him if he was a none DF user

 

[jiraiya lives]

Vergo late lonely prison night appear from behind you with a bamboo stick to booty blitz Burgess...

No seriously Burgess just seems like a powerhouse, besides that his speed isn't too good. While Vergo is portrayed to have speed, superior hand to hand combat, way better defense, another level of haki, and more intelligent....I give this to Vergo high diff but I'm sure that Burgess will surpass him soon considering he's more relevant.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It is

Intangibility that helped him to overcome Fujitora's gravity. He was lucky to be a logia, otherwise, that attack would have finished him

You mean that hiken that shattered the coloseum bottom floor? The fire power displayed is vastly above anything regular Sabo showed the capacity to accomplish.

What a joke! He has:

1- Long range attacks(when he was a close range fighter)
2- Intangibility(that saved his ass versus Fujitora)
3- Huge fire power(town level destructive capacity). He even set the entire city on fire during his fight versus Fujitora
4- Great manoeuvrability(fire logia gives some sort of levitation and cross distances faster like we've again seen against Fujitora)

Sure this Sabo isn't different at all from his pre-mera version, just like how zoan Kaku was no different from normal Kaku after eating the fruit Lol

You spend your time overwanking Doffy by puting him above characters beyond his reach at every occasion you can, hence i called you a wanker

I don't need more feats to know Sabo is stronger than Doffy just like i don't need Rokugyou to show his feats before knowing he is stronger than him

Other than Hiken, nope.

He was actually lucky to be facing an attack of a nature that can't be imbued with Haki. Note I said ¨a proficient Haki user like Doflamingo¨, as in, someone whose arsenal revolves around either Haki or an ability that is often used in conjunction with Haki. If it was something like a slash from Mihawk, or a punch from Akainu or an Overheat from Doflamingo and Sabo attempted to just tank it, he would have been killed or at the very least severely injured by the move.

When did I try to undermine the value of Hiken? I said other than Hiken. And even Luffy could have done something like that with a Gear Third attack. It'd be foolish to think Sabo, who was undoubtedly stronger than Luffy prior to eating the fruit couldn't have done without the Mera's powers.

Like I said, Hiken is a valuable addition, but that's pretty much the only valuable addition. Intangibility would just be circumvented by people who actually fight with attacks imbued with Haki. Also, you have no proof that Sabo couldn't physically withstand the Graviton attack. It crushed buildings, big whoop. Luffy was doing the same thing pre-skip. His maneuverability isn't any faster, it's just as good as it was before.

Kaku's case is entirely different. A Zoan fruit automatically boosts your physical stats when transformed, so every person would get stronger when they eat a Zoan if it isn't something like a turtle or a stickbug. Logias work differently.