Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm is underrated/ misunderstood

[FemmeFatale]

Yeah this, or Neji simply didn't take risk to waste more time which would be needed to charge that air palm attack with more force put into it. Maybe he wasn;t such good back then , besides that if it was Hiashi Kisame Shouten body would be history right then lol



I agree, although Tenketsu is debatable I would say



Great chakra sensing is one of it. Bascially I agree but not in cqc, unless you are MUCH faster then Hyuuga at reaction time and most likely havnig striking speed close to them.

Of course medium-long range and long range users especially who can move at the speed enough to be no caught by Hyuuga has nothing to fear about and they simply beats them.

I would say the lack of medium-long range and long range attacks is only Hyuuga's clan weakness.



Only to outer body but it is just crushing force, while vacuum palm has crushing + pushing + injecting chakra in inner body force.

I don't see even reason to compare.

I get the point, though.
But there is no chakra injecting envolved, it's like a weak version of Peins attack,

for such a pretty woman you sure do know how to fuck shit up dont cha?? this has nothing to do with tsunade. so what if she can do more damage the point argued is that its misunderstood and underrated. a point i believed he proved aswell.

The only part I seen <3 lol
I get the point

 

[KCMNaruto]

I get the point, though.
But there is no chakra injecting envolved, it's like a weak version of Peins attack,

Databook III scan about vacuum palm beg to differ and it even contain scan of Neji hitting Kisame shouten no jutsu body, which means Kishi also believe that lol it sounds strange. Anyway I already adressed it, so please read my first post.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Only problem is they were. =]. Madara Uchiha.

Not because of power though Lol It was because Hashirama loved him and didn't want him to go insane again, which he did when he didn't get his way . Butt hurt child Lol

 

[Trúth]

The way I see it, the Vacuum palm can damage internal organs like the Gentle fist, but it cannot close the Tenketsu.



Those natures only show what the user could master if they put the time in, it doesn't show what they have already mastered.

She does not have Fire nor Lightning, but could if she trained to.

This.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Average Hyuuga jonin = Average Jounin. So eh.

Neji > Asuma, Baki, Kurenai, Kankuro, Temari, Anko, Kakashi, Ebisu, Cie, Shikaku, Inochi, Shizune, Mikoto and Fugaku, so nah.

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama solos the entire clan. Not even wanking.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Hashirama solos the entire clan. Not even wanking.

off-topic

 

[BAS3D]

Neji > Asuma, Baki, Kurenai, Kankuro, Temari, Anko, Kakashi, Ebisu, Cie, Shikaku, Inochi, Shizune, Mikoto and Fugaku, so nah.

You're comparing the prodigy of the Hyuga clan with bunch of average jounins, what are you proving exactly?

 

[Made in Heaven]

You're comparing the prodigy of the Hyuga clan with bunch of average jounins, what are you proving exactly?

That KingHashi is wrong and stupid.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not because of power though Lol It was because Hashirama loved him and didn't want him to go insane again, which he did when he didn't get his way . Butt hurt child Lol

Madara > Tsunade/Minato/Hiruzen/Tobirama

Neji > Asuma, Baki, Kurenai, Kankuro, Temari, Anko, Kakashi, Ebisu, Cie, Shikaku, Inochi, Shizune, Mikoto and Fugaku, so nah.

Kakashi >> Neji tho.

 

[BAS3D]

That KingHashi is wrong and stupid.

Neji isn't a average jounin in the Hyuga clan he's a prodigy who mastered the main branch's techniques, yet you compare him to average jounins

 

[Made in Heaven]

Kakashi >> Neji tho.

Oh good, one rebuttal out of the 14 I mentioned. And the only way Kakashi is beating Neji is w/ Sharingan. Without it, the poor soul can't even use Raikiri. He's pathetic at this point.

Neji isn't a average jounin in the Hyuga clan he's a prodigy who mastered the main branch's techniques, yet you compare him to average jounins

Okay, then show me an average Hyuga jonin, because he's pretty much all we've got. Only other one would be Hizashi, Neji's father, and he was worthy enough to be resurrected by Kabuto via Edo Tensei.

These were Hizashi's scores in the data book

Ninjutsu 3 Taijutsu 4 Genjutsu 2 Intelligence 3 Strength 4 Speed 4 Stamina 4.5 Hand seals 5

Both known Jonin Hyugas are above average.

 

[BAS3D]

Okay, then show me an average Hyuga jonin, because he's pretty much all we've got. Only other one would be Hizashi, Neji's father, and he was worthy enough to be resurrected by Kabuto via Edo Tensei.

These were Hizashi's scores in the data book

Ninjutsu 3 Taijutsu 4 Genjutsu 2 Intelligence 3 Strength 4 Speed 4 Stamina 4.5 Hand seals 5

Both known Jonin Hyugas are above average.

Proves the point that the hyuuga clan is jounin level at best

 

[AlphaScythian]

Gentle fist is nin taijutsu.
What aspects exactly it has?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Proves the point that the hyuuga clan is jounin level at best

What ? How are the jonin level when they're above average common jonins? They'd be low kage actually, seeing as how they could beat characters like Hidan, Kakuzu, Kakashi, or Sasori.

Gentle fist is nin taijutsu.
What aspects exactly it has?

Damaging organs and destroying chakra, same as gentle fist. Essentially, Air Palm is nothing more than a Ranged Gentle Fist.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I think Neji Palm strength is still weak compared to Hiashi IMO

Body durability of victim/attack reciever also can be a factor how they can withstand a level of Vacuum Palm attack.

Maybe Neji can Kill fodder ninja with it following how much power he had at that time, but Kisame water clone sure got insane body durability as he does not effect by that attack to much.

But I think if Hiashi do the attack on Kisami clone, sure that clone will recieve fatal injury

Bold part is wrong although as you can not train your inner body ;P

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I agree basically except you understimate that attack and Neji, he is capable of taking down Kisame shouten version.

Hiashi can go against Real Kisame without Samehada and put up hell of battle unless Kisame drown him inside wather sphere ;P.

Sure its the only weakness we can see. However, Jiraiya , someone who knew about the hyuuga and other clans didn't even consider them superior to Tsunade in combat. And then you have the fact that Hyuuga were never the top dogs, until the Uchiha/Senju were no more, and this was after the village was already created (where alot of clans weren't focused on straight up fighting).

Average Hyuuga jonin = Average Jounin. So eh.

Well underground attacks also work . Tsunade can hit the ground so hard that earthquake happens or simply destroy ground to create opening on hyuuga lol. or crush them before, so Hyuuga would jump before it happen.

Of course, Kenjutsu is also way to fight them as they would have hard time to hit you, Space Time Jutsu of course works.

Probably summons and all kind of clones would be great way to finish Hyuuga, but it depends from their skills.

Gentle fist is nin taijutsu.
What aspects exactly it has?

Nice to see you back bro, Alpha Kamui Master rustler of jimmies enters my thread, welcome in my thread lol ;p
On topic:
Well it contain air condensed along with chakra needles as user thrust his hand very fast forward to create vacuum shell which travels hitting victim pushing him/her and at the same time entering inner body to deal damage to internal organs.

How are you buddy ?

EDIT: Sorry I was talking about vacuum palm. Well Gentle Fist simply inject or expel chakra in needles or other shapes out of your body, can inject that chakra in someone to destroy his chakra etc.

 

[KingHashirama]

Oh good, one rebuttal out of the 14 I mentioned. And the only way Kakashi is beating Neji is w/ Sharingan. Without it, the poor soul can't even use Raikiri. He's pathetic at this point.



Okay, then show me an average Hyuga jonin, because he's pretty much all we've got. Only other one would be Hizashi, Neji's father, and he was worthy enough to be resurrected by Kabuto via Edo Tensei.

These were Hizashi's scores in the data book

Ninjutsu 3 Taijutsu 4 Genjutsu 2 Intelligence 3 Strength 4 Speed 4 Stamina 4.5 Hand seals 5

Both known Jonin Hyugas are above average.

Lets see.. Became a Jounin without the sharingan.. at a way younger age than Neji.. yet he needs the sharingan to beat Neji? Rofl what.

Asuma >> Neji also btw.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Lets see.. Became a Jounin without the sharingan.. at a way younger age than Neji.. yet he needs the sharingan to beat Neji? Rofl what.

Asuma >> Neji also btw.

He has little to no feats without the sharingan, he can't even use his signature move without it, not can he use any of 1000 jutsus he's learned [how many of them were very shown Lol] Remember how Kakashi was sweating when he saw Neji's potential and strength? and that's when he was 25 years old Lmao

What? Just because he now also became hokage, you're gonna try and claim he's above Gai? Rank doesn't mean much without feats.

Nope XD Neji owns with Air palm, chakra blasts and Rotation, Asuma's never gonna touch him with those in his arsenal. He comes anywhere near him and he gets owned by 64 palms. both are equal in speed and taijutsu, so it all comes down to whose taijutsu style is superior, and who has the better defense, and in both cases, it's Neji. FFS, neji could just stay 5 M away from Asuma and Air Palm spam until he dies a painful, pathetic death.

Whatever, I suppose it's best not to argue with someone who thinks Naruto can't hurt Katsuyu I'm done with you .

 

[AlphaScythian]

Damaging organs and destroying chakra, same as gentle fist. Essentially, Air Palm is nothing more than a Ranged Gentle Fist.

Nice to see you back bro, Alpha Kamui Master rustler of jimmies enters my thread, welcome in my thread lol ;p
On topic:
Well it contain air condensed along with chakra needles as user thrust his hand very fast forward to create vacuum shell which travels hitting victim pushing him/her and at the same time entering inner body to deal damage to internal organs.

How are you buddy ?

EDIT: Sorry I was talking about vacuum palm. Well Gentle Fist simply inject or expel chakra in needles or other shapes out of your body, can inject that chakra in someone to destroy his chakra etc.

Lol did i left?


Anyway, i dont think vacuum palm is one shot due to lack of feats, so therefore it gonna remain underrated and overlooked, even hyuuga dont say about it much.

 

[BAS3D]

What ? How are the jonin level when they're above average common jonins? They'd be low kage actually, seeing as how they could beat characters like Hidan, Kakuzu, Kakashi, or Sasori.

You need to remember only the clan leader/successor have the ability to learn 64 plams, rotations and other high level techniques, Neji was the only none main branch member to master it, normal clan members range from low chunin to low/med jounin level

Like I said Neji is the clan prodigy and probably the strongest hyuuga and he is compared to high jounins at best