Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm is underrated/ misunderstood

[KCMNaruto]

FIRST, Please hear me out. This is not wanking or fanboying thread, so please keep open mind until end of this post at least. Here I go

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"A Extremally fast strike with the palm is unleashed after pinpointing an enemy's vital spot. The compressed "vacuum shell" with the aspects of Gentle Fist thrusts through enemy's vital spot with tremendous force. "

^^ well the databook III clearly states it. The funny stuff is that there was used same manga panel where kisame's water clone is hit by vacuum palm used by Neji, I mean this scan:

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The manga didn't shows any internal damage done to used Kisame Shouten body, and yet Kishi confirms it happened.

I just see two possibilities why Kishi would stay consistent with both manga and databook about it:

1) Either Shouten no jutsu technique make both controlled and controlling no feeling pain, so it won't affect the way these bodies will fight or act.
2) Neji didn't master it yet
3) Neji used small amount of chakra into this or was unable in such short amount of time putting more chakra in it
4) The power of thrust was too weak to break bones ot harm lethaly organs but minor damages wouldn't affect these bodies and neither the one in control as I stated above...

^^ Personally I find Fourth option the most leggit.

Now, just compare Neji's vacuum palm and Hiashi's vacuum palm. The difference in pushing force is huge.

NOW, keep in mind that INTERNAL DAMAGE/FORCE is at least 2 TIMES stronger the outside damage/force done .

In Short: Anyone with normal living organs hit by such force is blown up from inside with all his organs crushed in instant.

and that is the result what would happen the one striked by it:



^^ Of course no Susanoo, no Kurama cloak and no golden armor as Kidomaru had which blocked chakra.

Besides these if you won't dodge and got hit directly you are done. The regeneration can only help if used before hit connect or else you are hisotry as the video shows lol.

 

[Kirokill]

You warning at the beginning of the thread will not be taken into consideration. Be prepared.

EDIT: Lmao at the video.

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

kisame>>>>neji

 

[IndraGripen]

Ehhh... shity moves, they cant keep up with medium-long range attacks

 

[Honord Sage]

According Data book number four Hinata now has fire and lightning nature,Her palm attack could add fire or lightning nature to the attack increasing the damage it dose.

 

[KCMNaruto]

kisame>>>>neji

well too much ">" these, but Kisame > Neji of course.

Ehhh... shity moves, they cant keep up with medium-long range attacks

True, that is only weakness of Gentle Fist style that at the most it can be carried to short-medium range at the most.

Long range attacks are pain in ass for Hyuuga.

 

[Neon Lili]

I completely agree, neji used a small amount of chakra probably just to push away kisame.

 

[Glad Of War]

Agreed.

 

[IchaIchaSage]

this is my canvas, imma paint it how i wanna

 

[The Necromancer]

The way I see it, the Vacuum palm can damage internal organs like the Gentle fist, but it cannot close the Tenketsu.

According Data book number four Hinata now has fire and lightning nature,Her palm attack could add fire or lightning nature to the attack increasing the damage it dose.

Those natures only show what the user could master if they put the time in, it doesn't show what they have already mastered.

She does not have Fire nor Lightning, but could if she trained to.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yet none of them were ever put about any Kage , in their entire history... hmm.

There seem to be many ways that people can deal with the hyuuga in a 1 vs 1, but they were not shown.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Tsunade's finger do more damage tbh.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Those natures only show what the user could master if they put the time in, it doesn't show what they have already mastered.

She does not have Fire nor Lightning, but could if she trained to.

If that were the case, than everyone would have all 5 elements and Yin yang high lighted.

Yet none of them were ever put about any Kage , in their entire history... hmm.

There seem to be many ways that people can deal with the hyuuga in a 1 vs 1, but they were not shown.

Neither were the Uchiha Lol

 

[The Necromancer]

If that were the case, than everyone would have all 5 elements and Yin yang high lighted.



Neither were the Uchiha Lol

Nope. It takes multiple years to master a single element, and even Kage have trouble with it.

Given all the time in the world, even Hashirama could not master every nature due to his skill level.

Hiruzen only has because of the sarutobi clan's sheer talent level. This was all stated in the databook.

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This spoiler is incomplete translation of this page that lets us understand the chart in the spoiler a bit. Its incomplete as you see and 1-3 and 6 are missing but these are the translations. The shinobi are rewarded natures based on their experience and this chart shows what natures they could potentially handle, not the natures they actually have.


Shinobi Section - How to read-chart (p. 14)
※The introduced character data in this book goes up to chapter #691 (10th October)

[4] Possession: Nature Transformation

The nature transformations that shinobi can handle are shown. With the appended "Fire", "Wind", "Water", "Earth" and "Lightning" as well as "Yin" and "Yang", seven natures exist.

※Possession: Nature Transformation makes a guess according to that shinobi's battle experience so far, also eye powers change the current stats.

[5] Characteristics

The special characteristics this character possesses. There are "Jinchuriki", "Senjutsu", "Kekkei Genkai", "Kekkei Tota", "Kekkei Mora", "Hiden" and "Kuchiyose", character with multiple special characteristics exist, too.

[7] Events of the past

Past incidents and emerging desires, bringing about a big influence on the the growth of those [people], read these events carefully. (Or so)

 

[KCMNaruto]

I completely agree, neji used a small amount of chakra probably just to push away kisame.

Yeah this, or Neji simply didn't take risk to waste more time which would be needed to charge that air palm attack with more force put into it. Maybe he wasn;t such good back then , besides that if it was Hiashi Kisame Shouten body would be history right then lol

The way I see it, the Vacuum palm can damage internal organs like the Gentle fist, but it cannot close the Tenketsu.

Those natures only show what the user could master if they put the time in, it doesn't show what they have already mastered.

She does not have Fire nor Lightning, but could if she trained to.

I agree, although Tenketsu is debatable I would say

Yet none of them were ever put about any Kage , in their entire history... hmm.

There seem to be many ways that people can deal with the hyuuga in a 1 vs 1, but they were not shown.

Great chakra sensing is one of it. Bascially I agree but not in cqc, unless you are MUCH faster then Hyuuga at reaction time and most likely havnig striking speed close to them.

Of course medium-long range and long range users especially who can move at the speed enough to be no caught by Hyuuga has nothing to fear about and they simply beats them.

I would say the lack of medium-long range and long range attacks is only Hyuuga's clan weakness.

Tsunade's finger do more damage tbh.

Only to outer body but it is just crushing force, while vacuum palm has crushing + pushing + injecting chakra in inner body force.

I don't see even reason to compare.

 

[Davy Jones]

Tsunade's finger do more damage tbh.

for such a pretty woman you sure do know how to fuck shit up dont cha?? this has nothing to do with tsunade. so what if she can do more damage the point argued is that its misunderstood and underrated. a point i believed he proved aswell.

 

[KingHashirama]

Neither were the Uchiha Lol

Only problem is they were. =]. Madara Uchiha.

 

[Apêx1]

The way I see it, the Vacuum palm can damage internal organs like the Gentle fist, but it cannot close the Tenketsu.



Those natures only show what the user could master if they put the time in, it doesn't show what they have already mastered.

She does not have Fire nor Lightning, but could if she trained to.

This pretty much.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think Neji Palm strength is still weak compared to Hiashi IMO

Body durability of victim/attack reciever also can be a factor how they can withstand a level of Vacuum Palm attack.

Maybe Neji can Kill fodder ninja with it following how much power he had at that time, but Kisame water clone sure got insane body durability as he does not effect by that attack to much.

But I think if Hiashi do the attack on Kisami clone, sure that clone will recieve fatal injury

 

[KingHashirama]

Great chakra sensing is one of it. Bascially I agree but not in cqc, unless you are MUCH faster then Hyuuga at reaction time and most likely havnig striking speed close to them.

Of course medium-long range and long range users especially who can move at the speed enough to be no caught by Hyuuga has nothing to fear about and they simply beats them.

I would say the lack of medium-long range and long range attacks is only Hyuuga's clan weakness.

Sure its the only weakness we can see. However, Jiraiya , someone who knew about the hyuuga and other clans didn't even consider them superior to Tsunade in combat. And then you have the fact that Hyuuga were never the top dogs, until the Uchiha/Senju were no more, and this was after the village was already created (where alot of clans weren't focused on straight up fighting).

Average Hyuuga jonin = Average Jounin. So eh.