Rinnengan Sasuke, BM Minato VS Gai And DMS Kakashi

[KidGamer65]

Funny has how you never even had a proper Sasuke without resorting to bias and fan fiction, and you say that too me? Lmao, get out of here Mr.KidGamer.

Which would really sound crazier to unbiased and undecided folks? Dms Kakashi soloing a bijuuless Sasuke + Minato or Sasuke soloing two co top ten guys? Please think for a moment on this and you will come to a proper conclusion.

@bold: Except....something you don't agree with and or can't counter=/=Something that is fanfiction and bias.

The former is nonsense to anyone who correctly reads the manga, but since I'm tired of the talk, I'll just post an argument, and you are going to tell me how Kakashi solos, or how Kakashi and Gai win, even though they don't.


1. Kakashi nor Gai can breach PS through force. Gai's Evening Elephant shockwaves were tanked by Gudo Dama. The same Gudo Dama that were

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, BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama. PS>Gudo Dama when it comes to durability, as shown by BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama cracking the Gudo Dama, while PS takes something levels above that from a Naruto levels above BSM, with little-moderate damage. Direct hit smashed the Gudo Dama, but that makes the direct hit stronger than a BSM Bijuu Dama by far, doesn't change the fact that PS takes things worlds above a BSM Bijuu Dama, with little damage. Not to mention Kakashi's Susanoo has no feats or hype to say it'd even stand against Sasuke's let alone overpower it. Sasuke's Susanoo tears Kakashi's apart.

2. Kamui Shuriken are outright evaded, or projectiles like Katon counter them, since they warp whatever they touch. Kamui Raikiri is useless since he can't breach PS, and if he tries using it in close quarters, Preta Path absorbs it with ease. Kakashi has to be solid if he wants to attack with anything other than his Kamui Raikiri, that means Sasuke blitzes with Amenotejikara and one shots him at that time. If he's in Susanoo, PS Chidori tears through it, and kills him...especially since Amenotejikara can be used with Susanoo,[

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3. As for Gai, it's already established that he isn't doing shit to Susanoo with Evening Elephant, that leaves Night Guy, and actually defeating him. Night Guy is either outright tanked by Susanoo, or Sasuke blitzes him with Amenotejikara during the prep time for the attack, and kills him...or Sasuke evades with S/T and Gai rots away afterward. Kakashi won't be saving him because Kakashi can't react to S/T attacks from Sasuke, especially in time to save someone else. Madara had no issues with Gai's movement speed alone, it was a combo of that and his striking speed, and the fact that Evening Elephant combined with his speed let him hit from multiple angles at the same time. [

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Meaning Gai gets hit the same way.

I probably wasted my time typing this shit though, considering the best argument you have is "Kamui Raikiri GG"

 

[10th]

@bold: Except....something you don't agree with and or can't counter=/=Something that is fanfiction and bias.

The former is nonsense to anyone who correctly reads the manga, but since I'm tired of the talk, I'll just post an argument, and you are going to tell me how Kakashi solos, or how Kakashi and Gai win, even though they don't.


1. Kakashi nor Gai can breach PS through force. Gai's Evening Elephant shockwaves were tanked by Gudo Dama. The same Gudo Dama that were

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, BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama. PS>Gudo Dama when it comes to durability, as shown by BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama cracking the Gudo Dama, while PS takes something levels above that from a Naruto levels above BSM, with little-moderate damage. Direct hit smashed the Gudo Dama, but that makes the direct hit stronger than a BSM Bijuu Dama by far, doesn't change the fact that PS takes things worlds above a BSM Bijuu Dama, with little damage. Not to mention Kakashi's Susanoo has no feats or hype to say it'd even stand against Sasuke's let alone overpower it. Sasuke's Susanoo tears Kakashi's apart.

2. Kamui Shuriken are outright evaded, or projectiles like Katon counter them, since they warp whatever they touch. Kamui Raikiri is useless since he can't breach PS, and if he tries using it in close quarters, Preta Path absorbs it with ease. Kakashi has to be solid if he wants to attack with anything other than his Kamui Raikiri, that means Sasuke blitzes with Amenotejikara and one shots him at that time. If he's in Susanoo, PS Chidori tears through it, and kills him...especially since Amenotejikara can be used with Susanoo,[

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3. As for Gai, it's already established that he isn't doing shit to Susanoo with Evening Elephant, that leaves Night Guy, and actually defeating him. Night Guy is either outright tanked by Susanoo, or Sasuke blitzes him with Amenotejikara during the prep time for the attack, and kills him...or Sasuke evades with S/T and Gai rots away afterward. Kakashi won't be saving him because Kakashi can't react to S/T attacks from Sasuke, especially in time to save someone else. Madara had no issues with Gai's movement speed alone, it was a combo of that and his striking speed, and the fact that Evening Elephant combined with his speed let him hit from multiple angles at the same time. [

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Meaning Gai gets hit the same way.

I probably wasted my time typing this shit though, considering the best argument you have is "Kamui Raikiri GG"

Kamui Raikiri gg

 

[KidGamer65]

Kamui Raikiri gg

Lol, fanboyism too damn strong. When you can get Kakashi's wang out of your mouth and form a good argument, then we can talk.

As I expected...though the bold will probably never happen.

 

[10th]

As I expected...though the bold will probably never happen.

Yea man, you wasted your time with that wallie, while I'm out here laid back, relaxing, watching netflix and laughing at your bias bahahahahah.

Cya later, have fun.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yea man, you wasted your time with that wallie, while I'm out here laid back, relaxing, watching netflix and laughing at your bias bahahahahah.

Cya later, have fun.

Uhhhh....Ok? Lol.

 

[Beans2]

Kamui Raikiri gg

Wow, you accused KG of always failing to put up arguments and when he puts up an in depth explanation you can't counter so you spam? This is worthy of a neg rep.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, right. His definition of bias is not fanboying over his fav.

 

[10th]

Wow, you accused KG of always failing to put up arguments and when he puts up an in depth explanation you can't counter so you spam? This is worthy of a neg rep.

Here come the henchmen patrol to rescue master (insert fireman siren).

Lmao he particularly gave me that reply lmao, i'd be dumb not to have used it.

 

[Raykyryn]

@bold: Except....something you don't agree with and or can't counter=/=Something that is fanfiction and bias.

The former is nonsense to anyone who correctly reads the manga, but since I'm tired of the talk, I'll just post an argument, and you are going to tell me how Kakashi solos, or how Kakashi and Gai win, even though they don't.


1. Kakashi nor Gai can breach PS through force. Gai's Evening Elephant shockwaves were tanked by Gudo Dama. The same Gudo Dama that were

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, BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama. PS>Gudo Dama when it comes to durability, as shown by BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama cracking the Gudo Dama, while PS takes something levels above that from a Naruto levels above BSM, with little-moderate damage. Direct hit smashed the Gudo Dama, but that makes the direct hit stronger than a BSM Bijuu Dama by far, doesn't change the fact that PS takes things worlds above a BSM Bijuu Dama, with little damage. Not to mention Kakashi's Susanoo has no feats or hype to say it'd even stand against Sasuke's let alone overpower it. Sasuke's Susanoo tears Kakashi's apart.

2. Kamui Shuriken are outright evaded, or projectiles like Katon counter them, since they warp whatever they touch. Kamui Raikiri is useless since he can't breach PS, and if he tries using it in close quarters, Preta Path absorbs it with ease. Kakashi has to be solid if he wants to attack with anything other than his Kamui Raikiri, that means Sasuke blitzes with Amenotejikara and one shots him at that time. If he's in Susanoo, PS Chidori tears through it, and kills him...especially since Amenotejikara can be used with Susanoo,[

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3. As for Gai, it's already established that he isn't doing shit to Susanoo with Evening Elephant, that leaves Night Guy, and actually defeating him. Night Guy is either outright tanked by Susanoo, or Sasuke blitzes him with Amenotejikara during the prep time for the attack, and kills him...or Sasuke evades with S/T and Gai rots away afterward. Kakashi won't be saving him because Kakashi can't react to S/T attacks from Sasuke, especially in time to save someone else. Madara had no issues with Gai's movement speed alone, it was a combo of that and his striking speed, and the fact that Evening Elephant combined with his speed let him hit from multiple angles at the same time. [

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Meaning Gai gets hit the same way.

I probably wasted my time typing this shit though, considering the best argument you have is "Kamui Raikiri GG"

>Implying Kakashi intends to be solid when he is within Amenotejikara's short range when he can snipe out of its range.
>Implying Sasuke can react to Kamui snipe at all as he lacks any worthy reaction feats comparable to kamuis speed.
>Implying his striking speed after his teleport would be enough to 'blitz' Kakashi.

 

[Selan]

>Implying Kakashi intends to be solid when he is within Amenotejikara's short range when he can snipe out of its range.
>Implying Sasuke can react to Kamui snipe at all as he lacks any worthy reaction feats comparable to kamuis speed.
>Implying his striking speed after his teleport would be enough to 'blitz' Kakashi.

This, definitely. Rinnegan Sasuke << DMS Kakashi. One is blitzed by Kaguya's S/T, another reacts and counters it with his own S/T. One tries to hit Kaguya with a surprise attack and is dodged with ease, another blitzes a stronger and faster version of the same opponent. One is stomped around for all the fight, another comes in and settles it. Kakashi is smarter, faster and more haxxed. With knowledge on Sasuke's Amenotejikara, he outclasses him by far.

 

[Bogard]

1. Kakashi nor Gai can breach PS through force. Gai's Evening Elephant shockwaves were tanked by Gudo Dama. The same Gudo Dama that were

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I've seen this argument many times but always wondered about this. How do you know it wasn't Sasuke's arrow that was cracking there? They have similar colors

Kamui Shuriken are outright evaded, or projectiles like Katon counter them, since they warp whatever they touch.

Except katons require handseals when throwing shuriken/kunais is much faster. Not to mention the difference in sheer number. You really think Sasuke would keep up by continuously throwing katons as a barrage? Evading is his best chance, but eventhen i can't guarantee that someone as smart as Kakashi can't find a way to hit Sasuke(and/or with his Susanoo) with them especially since he probably can incorporate it on any object and also considering the range of its warping that is seemingly Bijuu-size

Kamui Raikiri is useless since he can't breach PS,

?? Kamui Raikiri isn't supposed to breach PS. It phases through it and hits Sasuke directly

and if he tries using it in close quarters, Preta Path absorbs it with ease.

Iirc, according to Kurama, Sasuke can't attack while using preta path at the same time. A timing will be required here and there is no guarantee he'd be able to put the absorbing barrier at the exact moment a phasing Kakashi would hit him

Kakashi has to be solid if he wants to attack with anything other than his Kamui Raikiri, that means Sasuke blitzes with Amenotejikara and one shots him at that time.

Kakashi knows Sasuke's amenotejikara to the point he could incorporate it to the final team7 attack better than Sasuke could even use it during his entire time fighting Kaguya. You really think he'd make the mistake to be in the range of Sasuke's swapping technique without precautions like "Susanoo", "phasing", "clone", "kawarimi" or something like this? That's not only is unlike him, but would be incredibly stupid. The phasing alone can be used during 5minutes at a time. You can't seriously think that Kakashi can't either attack/escape Sasuke during all that time when you know the Amenotejikara's range is pretty close. No, everytime he'll be in Sasuke's range(and he is smart and knowledgeable enough to notice), he'd do something about this

If he's in Susanoo, PS Chidori tears through it, and kills him...especially since Amenotejikara can be used with Susanoo,[

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It's not like he can break through his Susanoo in one strike(even Kaguya who could break Sasuke's Susanoo with ease couldn't with her ashbone technique, so let alone Sasuke), but even if he could, during all the time he is breaking through it, are you seriously suggesting Kakashi will never get the time to do the phasing, something instant? He could phase even against Kaguya's attack when it was cracking his Susanoo(the ashbone technique), so let alone Sasuke. He also doesn't need Naruto's reaction time(read above)

 

[KidGamer65]

I've seen this argument many times but always wondered about this. How do you know it wasn't Sasuke's arrow that was cracking there? They have similar colors

Susanoo is purple, that was black, then there is the hole in Obito's Gudo Dama in the page I posted.

Except katons require handseals when throwing shuriken/kunais is much faster.

Katon doesn't need to be faster, it only needs to intercept them, and since the Shuriken are coming right for him, that isn't an issue.

Not to mention the difference in sheer number.

4 Shuriken, 4 Katon. Not to mention Pheonix Fire Sage Technique fires multiple volleys of fireballs, so he can get them all at once.

You really think Sasuke would keep up by continuously throwing katons as a barrage? Evading is his best chance, but eventhen i can't guarantee that someone as smart as Kakashi can't find a way to hit Sasuke(and/or with his Susanoo) with them especially since he probably can incorporate it on any object and also considering the range of its warping that is seemingly Bijuu-size

Being smart means nothing if he doesn't have the means to actually put his plan into motion.

?? Kamui Raikiri isn't supposed to breach PS. It phases through it and hits Sasuke directly

Except that's not how Kamui Raikiri works. The Raikiri is tangible, Kakashi isn't. That protects him from any counter attacks. If Raikiri isn't strong enough to breach PS, he won't be able to attack Sasuke.

Iirc, according to Kurama, Sasuke can't attack while using preta path at the same time. A timing will be required here and there is no guarantee he'd be able to put the absorbing barrier at the exact moment a phasing Kakashi would hit him

Kakashi's Raikiri is tangible, and if Kakashi is attacking him with Raikiri, then Sasuke has no reason to counter. Thus Preta Path just absorbs it. Not sure why he'd have to put the barrier up at the exact momenet, when he can hold it up till Kakashi makes impact, not like it matters anyway since Kakashi's body is tangible, but the Raikiri isn't, otherwise it wouldn't have hurt Kaguya.

Kakashi knows Sasuke's amenotejikara to the point he could incorporate it to the final team7 attack better than Sasuke could even use it during his entire time fighting Kaguya. You really think he'd make the mistake to be in the range of Sasuke's swapping technique without precautions like "Susanoo", "phasing", "clone", "kawarimi" or something like this? That's not only is unlike him, but would be incredibly stupid. The phasing alone can be used during 5minutes at a time. You can't seriously think that Kakashi can't either attack/escape Sasuke during all that time when you know the Amenotejikara's range is pretty close. No, everytime he'll be in Sasuke's range(and he is smart and knowledgeable enough to notice), he'd do something about this

Sasuke's warping range by the time he fights Naruto is as shown.

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So unless Kakashi is trying to get out of this fight, there is no way he won't be in Sasuke's range. He doesn't have long range jutsu that'd actually work on him from that far away, meaning he can't fight from a distance much larger than that....and even if he has protections, if Sasuke rids him of those protections, he's left a sitting duck.

-Susanoo? Sasuke can overpower it.

-Clones? Susanoo obliterates them all in one fowl swoop along with Kakashi if he tries this.

-Kawarimi? Only works if he's fast enough to actually evade Sasuke's attack, which he isn't, so you can forget about that.

Kakashi's intelligence isn't why he's going to be trapped in Sasuke's range, it's because:

1. If he tries to run, Sasuke can follow. He'll never get him off his tail.

2. His protection isn't indefinite.

The phasing can be used 5 minutes at a time, but if does anything bar using Kamui Raikiri, that's pretty much it for him. If he turns this into a waiting game, he loses since Sasuke has much more chakra than he does.

It's not like he can break through his Susanoo in one strike(even Kaguya who could break Sasuke's Susanoo with ease couldn't with her ashbone technique, so let alone Sasuke), but even if he could, during all the time he is breaking through it, are you seriously suggesting Kakashi will never get the time to do the phasing, something instant? He could phase even against Kaguya's attack when it was cracking his Susanoo(the ashbone technique), so let alone Sasuke. He also doesn't need Naruto's reaction time(read above)

Kaguya's Ash Bone technique went right through Susanoo and disintegrated it like it does with all his targets...with absolutely no resistance at all.

Kakashi can't phase while he's inside Susanoo, and Sasuke piercing it doesn't mean it's destroyed (Unlike Kaguya, who pierced and disintegrated the whole thing, so it was gone when he used it, and no, it not being completely gone doesn't mean it wasn't destroyed), so he won't be able to do anything about it. Sasuke's Chidori stalemated with Naruto's Bijuu Dama just how Rasengan stalemates with Chidori, no difference at all, but of course, Chidori takes the power it has and focuses it onto it's target, so it'd hit harder than a Bijuu Dama of that size. Sasuke's Rikudo Chakra>>Kakashi's Rikudo Chakra, thus his PS>>Kakashi's PS. If Sasuke's PS lost part of a wing, an arm and half of it's head after taking a Bijuu Dama, something that strong, focused, would go through a far inferior Susanoo.

 

[KidGamer65]

>Implying Kakashi intends to be solid when he is within Amenotejikara's short range when he can snipe out of its range.

I've already shown the range, and by the time the VoTE fight came about, it wasn't short. Attempting to snipe just puts the nail in Kakashi's coffin, cause Sasuke counter attacks and kills him.

>Implying Sasuke can react to Kamui snipe at all as he lacks any worthy reaction feats comparable to kamuis speed.

Faster than Kakashi, has teleportation....so yeah, evading Kamui isn't an issue, at all. Last time I checked, Kamui wasn't instant. Sasuke's Jutsu is.

>Implying his striking speed after his teleport would be enough to 'blitz' Kakashi.

1. Naruto had issues reacting, so yes, it would, cause Naruto's speed is tiers above Kakashi's speed. No comparison whatsoever.

2. Doesn't need to blitz him, only needs to him while he's striking, meaning no Ghost Mode. Same thing Minato did to Obito.

 

[Bogard]

Susanoo is purple, that was black, then there is the hole in Obito's Gudo Dama in the page I posted.

Okay

Katon doesn't need to be faster, it only needs to intercept them, and since the Shuriken are coming right for him, that isn't an issue.

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4 Shuriken, 4 Katon. Not to mention Pheonix Fire Sage Technique fires multiple volleys of fireballs, so he can get them all at once.

Assuming he performs the handseals in time. Assuming he aims them all perfectly. Assuming Kakashi doesn't throw more than shurikens than the number of katons

Being smart means nothing if he doesn't have the means to actually put his plan into motion.

But he does

Except that's not how Kamui Raikiri works. The Raikiri is tangible, Kakashi isn't. That protects him from any counter attacks. If Raikiri isn't strong enough to breach PS, he won't be able to attack Sasuke.

Kakashi's Raikiri is tangible, and if Kakashi is attacking him with Raikiri, then Sasuke has no reason to counter. Thus Preta Path just absorbs it. Not sure why he'd have to put the barrier up at the exact momenet, when he can hold it up till Kakashi makes impact, not like it matters anyway since Kakashi's body is tangible, but the Raikiri isn't, otherwise it wouldn't have hurt Kaguya.

I read before a translation of the jutsu saying he can attack while being intangible, but i checked again and it seems you're right. He needs to materialize the hand, so i concede on this

Sasuke's warping range by the time he fights Naruto is as shown.

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So unless Kakashi is trying to get out of this fight, there is no way he won't be in Sasuke's range. He doesn't have long range jutsu that'd actually work on him from that far away, meaning he can't fight from a distance much larger than that....and even if he has protections, if Sasuke rids him of those protections, he's left a sitting duck.

The range was smaller here:

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How do you know the power-up he received from Bijus didn't increase that range?

-Susanoo? Sasuke can overpower it.

Sure, but not fast enough for Kakashi to not phase through the attack

-Clones? Susanoo obliterates them all in one fowl swoop along with Kakashi if he tries this.

They can be used as a diversion for the original to either easily snipe a distracted Sasuke or escape the range in time especially when himself possess a teleportative jutsu

-Kawarimi? Only works if he's fast enough to actually evade Sasuke's attack, which he isn't, so you can forget about that.

It was used as a prep, meaning he will prep the kawarimi before entering the range

Kakashi's intelligence isn't why he's going to be trapped in Sasuke's range, it's because:

1. If he tries to run, Sasuke can follow. He'll never get him off his tail.

He can't follow all the clones/original at the same time

2. His protection isn't indefinite.

True but he only needs one second to escape in time(when he has a teleportative jutsu) and he has all the means to occupy Sasuke's attention during that 1 second

The phasing can be used 5 minutes at a time, but if does anything bar using Kamui Raikiri, that's pretty much it for him. If he turns this into a waiting game, he loses since Sasuke has much more chakra than he does.

If he is in range, sure

Kaguya's Ash Bone technique went right through Susanoo and disintegrated it like it does with all his targets...with absolutely no resistance at all.

It broke through the section where Kakashi was. It didn't disintegrate the entire Susanoo, hence it was still maintained mid air(where Sakura was the entire time)

Kakashi can't phase while he's inside Susanoo,

Why can't he? Last time i checked he phased through Kaguya's ashbone technique while Susanoo was maintained active

and Sasuke piercing it doesn't mean it's destroyed (Unlike Kaguya, who pierced and disintegrated the whole thing, so it was gone when he used it, and no, it not being completely gone doesn't mean it wasn't destroyed), so he won't be able to do anything about it. Sasuke's Chidori stalemated with Naruto's Bijuu Dama just how Rasengan stalemates with Chidori, no difference at all, but of course, Chidori takes the power it has and focuses it onto it's target, so it'd hit harder than a Bijuu Dama of that size. Sasuke's Rikudo Chakra>>Kakashi's Rikudo Chakra, thus his PS>>Kakashi's PS. If Sasuke's PS lost part of a wing, an arm and half of it's head after taking a Bijuu Dama, something that strong, focused, would go through a far inferior Susanoo.

I agree with everything you said, but it wasn't my issue here. My issue was about your reasoning around the fact that during the time Sasuke destroys his Susanoo, Kakashi can't dodge with the phasing when he exactly did that against a superior foe(Kaguya)

 

[Raykyryn]

I've already shown the range, and by the time the VoTE fight came about, it wasn't short. Attempting to snipe just puts the nail in Kakashi's coffin, cause Sasuke counter attacks and kills him.


Faster than Kakashi, has teleportation....so yeah, evading Kamui isn't an issue, at all. Last time I checked, Kamui wasn't instant. Sasuke's Jutsu is.



1. Naruto had issues reacting, so yes, it would, cause Naruto's speed is tiers above Kakashi's speed. No comparison whatsoever.

2. Doesn't need to blitz him, only needs to him while he's striking, meaning no Ghost Mode. Same thing Minato did to Obito.

Sasukes rinnegan range

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Kamuis range without being enhanced by Rikudos power

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Even 1 MS Kakashis kamui range exceeds Sasukes. On the other scan you showed his eye power is powered up by bijuu chakra so it doesnt count.

Sasukes jutsu is instant however his reaction isn't.

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< Narutos clones saved him from the chakra arms despite the fact that he can teleport. same here

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He aint reacting to kamui in time.
Plus after each use he can't use it for a while. Unlike Kamui.

Naruto had no problem reacting but he lacks kamui therefor he needs to evade or block instead of just become intangible which he could have done at the moment he sensed Sasuke behind him. Furthermore Narruto was distracted by Sasukes Katon.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Assuming he performs the handseals in time. Assuming he aims them all perfectly. Assuming Kakashi doesn't throw more than shurikens than the number of katons

Itachi was making multiple hand seals, Katon is

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, so unless they are fighting right in each's other's face, pretty sure that the Shuriken won't hit him first.

But he does

How?

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How do you know the power-up he received from Bijus didn't increase that range?

1. The Bijuu were put into Susanoo, he never made any contact with their chakra himself, so his abilities shouldn't get a power up, only the offensive jutsu used by his Susanoo.

2. The distance he swapped with Naruto at was far greater than the one in your scan, and there were no Bijuu involved during the Kaguya fight.

Sure, but not fast enough for Kakashi to not phase through the attack

He doesn't need to be fast, Kakashi can't phase while in Susanoo, and Sasuke's attack isn't going to destroy it completely.

They can be used as a diversion for the original to either easily snipe a distracted Sasuke or escape the range in time especially when himself possess a teleportative jutsu

Wouldn't say easily distracted. He has a bird's eye view from Susanoo, and Sharingan/Rinnegan let him see the chakra of Kakashi and his clones, if anyone tries using Kamui, he'll see the chakra activity and he'll be able to get away, then there is the fact that Kamui can be felt.(Deidara vs. Kakashi's Kamui)

It was used as a prep, meaning he will prep the kawarimi before entering the range

It'll only work once though, so once he's used that, he has to find another method.

He can't follow all the clones/original at the same time

If they split up? Sure. If not? Then Susanoo's attacks are widespread enough to take them all out.

True but he only needs one second to escape in time(when he has a teleportative jutsu) and he has all the means to occupy Sasuke's attention during that 1 second

If he tries to teleport away, he's just asking to die. He is tangible when he warps away, Sasuke can teleport right to him and cut him down, there's also the fact that he can teleport people to him. If he does this the moment Kakashi makes clones

It broke through the section where Kakashi was. It didn't disintegrate the entire Susanoo, hence it was still maintained mid air(where Sakura was the entire time)

That's because disintegration isn't instantaneous, especially since Susanoo is so large, but the actual bone still went right through Susanoo like butter.

And no, it was just disintegrating, albeit slowly. Kakashi can't maintain his Susanoo from hundreds of feet away. No one can maintain Susanoo from that far away.

Why can't he? Last time i checked he phased through Kaguya's ashbone technique while Susanoo was maintained active

Susanoo was destroyed, it had already begun to disintegrate it, he isn't maintaining it anymore so he can phase. If he's maintaining Susanoo, Susanoo is connected to him via his chakra, can't move his body to the other dimension and maintain Susanoo at the same time.

I agree with everything you said, but it wasn't my issue here. My issue was about your reasoning around the fact that during the time Sasuke destroys his Susanoo, Kakashi can't dodge with the phasing when he exactly did that against a superior foe(Kaguya)

It's different here. If Sasuke attacks his Susanoo from the back, and the Chidori starts to drill through, the Susanoo is still active, it's just taking damage, meaning Kakashi can't phase. When Kaguya hit the front with ash bones, it was destroyed and started to disintegrate. If it's disintegrating, there is no need to maintain it, nor can he even maintain it.

 

[Raykyryn]

@KG
At that time Sasuke's and Susano's chakra were one and the same. Sasuke seemed to be relative fresh before shoot Indras Arrow but after that he was almost completely out of chakra despite the fact that he only used up the chakra which was in the susanoo. So yes, his eyes were enhanced.

If Sasuke goes against Kakashis susanoo with chidori then Kakashi can use his kamui shurikens as hand-tools, he doesn't need to throw them. And kamui shuriken would win a clash against Chidori plus they give Kakashis susanoo the advantage in hand-to-hand combat.

Plus kamuis speed

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far surpasses Sasukes reaction feats( failed against Kaguyas portal and chakra arms) And even if he can evade Kamui once , he can't anymore cause his eyes will be on cooldown.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG
At that time Sasuke's and Susano's chakra were one and the same. Sasuke seemed to be relative fresh before shoot Indras Arrow but after that he was almost completely out of chakra despite the fact that he only used up the chakra which was in the susanoo. So yes, his eyes were enhanced.

Nope, not how Susanoo works. Never has worked that way, never will work that way. Losing stamina makes you lose chakra, and he took some of the blast, which did him damage, thus the drop in stamina. Susanoo and his chakra being one in the same isn't what happened.

If Sasuke goes against Kakashis susanoo with chidori then Kakashi can use his kamui shurikens as hand-tools, he doesn't need to throw them. And kamui shuriken would win a clash against Chidori plus they give Kakashis susanoo the advantage in hand-to-hand combat.

If Sasuke teleports with Amenotejikara, Kakashi won't be able to react, so that isn't happening.

Plus kamuis speed

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far surpasses Sasukes reaction feats( failed against Kaguyas portal and chakra arms) And even if he can evade Kamui once , he can't anymore cause his eyes will be on cooldown.

Except nothing you posted here proves your point. Kaguya's portal isn't what screwed him, Kaguya grabbing him through the portal (Which was also unexpected) is what screwed him. Kamui warping the portal means nothing, because the portal itself isn't fast. Kaguya's Chakra Arms also didn't exceed his reaction speed, don't even know where that came from.

And no, Chapter 674. Sasuke uses his eye multiple times in short intervals. After that, an extensive cooldown is needed. It'll never get to that point though.

 

[King Of Pop]

sasuke solos with not much effort.

=DHOH;18231066]You were right lol.... These people are to infatuated with Sasuke's Susanoo when it's no better than Kakashi or 'Madara.

you are a joke, sasukes ps is much better than thiers as it showed the best feats. the best dc(chopping down shinju sized cts), ps chidori as well as durability(surviving the blast of a combined attack btw ps chidori and a bijjuudama from a rikudou enhanced avatar). kakashi has no durability feats nor hype nor did it even show any strong offense. only thing it did was kamui shuriken which is easily countered. and all what madara did pales in front of sasukes ps feats.

I guess people forgot that Gai can fly so Susanoo isn't touching him.. Minato and Sasuke's space time isn't touch him.. Evening elephant or midnight tiger would destroy Susanoo and the avatar with ease..

gai cant fly stop that and sasuke not touching him is a joke when he tagged rsm naruto who is leagues above gai in reflexes. gai gets rinne blized and have hes head chopped off with utmost ease. not to mention your scenario has it that sasuke just stands there while gai attacks hes soosano,why? why is sasuke not chopping him down with ps slash? why he is not obliterating him with ps chidori when gai attacks? pls.. theres also rinne genjutsu which sasuke traps him in and then carves him apart with hes follow up attack. sorry but gai is nothing near sasuke. and him breaking ps with ee or even night moth is a bad joke.

Sasuke and Minato only chance is to kill Gai before he makes it to the eight gates, and that's where Kakashi comes in.. If kakashi takes on Sasuke, he can hold Sasuke off long enough for gai to kill Minato and then they easily take out Sasuke... I personally should have gave Sasuke a stronger opponent...

except kakashi is not holding off anything not when he cant damage sasuke in ps as hes own gets thrashed with 3 or more slashes followed up with ps chidori, not when he gets cut in down via amenotejikara when he solidifes. orr mayb you should have given team two another opponent because sasuke solos this like i said before.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke stomps look at bogard trying to argue smh pathetic