[VS] Itachi vs Sasori

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Location: Forest
Distance: 25 meters
Restrictions: Susano'o
Conditions: Sasori starts with Kazekage puppet out
Intel: Full for Sasori, Itachi knows about poison and nothing else whatsoever
Intent: Kill


Who wins?
 
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Itachi stomps.
 

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Itachi stomps.

Reasons? Genjutsu is useless, Amateratsu will be useless, Tsukiyomi is useless, his attacks are pretty useless when IS defence is up, etc. What makes you think Itachi can beat Sasori whose fighting style revolves around pressuring the opponent?
 

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Sasori wins.

Genjutsu is non factor, Sasori has no brain, nervous system etc.

That was Itachis only chance to win.
 

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Reasons? Genjutsu is useless, Amateratsu will be useless, Tsukiyomi is useless, his attacks are pretty useless when IS defence is up, etc. What makes you think Itachi can beat Sasori whose fighting style revolves around pressuring the opponent?

I never agreed with the "Sasori is immune to genjutsu" argument. You can say "Sasori doesn't have a brain and genjutsu only affects the brain" but his puppet body already completely defies logic and it's clear he has some sort of mental control center which functions exactly like a brain, so I really think that is a poor argument and doesn't hold any validity.

Regardless, Itachi doesn't need genjutsu to beat him. His sharingan sees chakra so he can see the chakra in Sasori's 'heart' and use Amaterasu on his heart, killing him immediately and he can also read Sasori's finger movements with sharingan and anticipate his puppets' movement in advance. Puppets are garbage to Susanoo and gets destroyed with Susanoo slashes or katons and iron sand defense is easily torn through as well, and Sasori lacks firepower to blast through Susano'o. Itachi's speed >>>> any speed of Sasori's puppets and Sasori can actually get Totsuka blitzed here. This is a clear stomp in Itachi's favor and if not a stomp, it's a low diff win.
 

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I never agreed with the "Sasori is immune to genjutsu" argument. You can say "Sasori doesn't have a brain and genjutsu only affects the brain" but his puppet body already completely defies logic and it's clear he has some sort of mental control center which functions exactly like a brain, so I really think that is a poor argument and doesn't hold any validity.

Regardless, Itachi doesn't need genjutsu to beat him. His sharingan sees chakra so he can see the chakra in Sasori's 'heart' and use Amaterasu on his heart, killing him immediately and he can also read Sasori's finger movements with sharingan and anticipate his puppets' movement in advance. Puppets are garbage to Susanoo and gets destroyed with Susanoo slashes or katons and iron sand defense is easily torn through as well, and Sasori lacks firepower to blast through Susano'o. Itachi's speed >>>> any speed of Sasori's puppets and Sasori can actually get Totsuka blitzed here. This is a clear stomp in Itachi's favor and if not a stomp, it's a low diff win.

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Till you realise genjutsu controls the cranial nerve in the brain, which Sasori does not possess until you prove otherwise. Him possessing another 'mind' (mind is not necessarily brain) matters naught, because he doesn't possess that distinct nerve.

Amateratsu will fail because as soon as Itachi's eyes bleed, Sasori erects an Iron Sand wall in front of him (and thus leaves Itachi's LoS). Susano is restricted. Fingers won't matters much since IS is much more than merely moving fingers. Iron Sand defence is not torn by anything Itachi has to offer. Next time I suggest you read the stipulations I provided before making arguments revolved around restricted techniques.
 

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Amaterasu @ the core gg. Itachi can see Chakra and thus his heart, which represents the center of his Chakra network.
 

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Till you realise genjutsu controls the cranial nerve in the brain, which Sasori does not possess until you prove otherwise. Him possessing another 'mind' (mind is not necessarily brain) matters naught, because he doesn't possess that distinct nerve.

Amateratsu will fail because as soon as Itachi's eyes bleed, Sasori erects an Iron Sand wall in front of him (and thus leaves Itachi's LoS). Susano is restricted. Fingers won't matters much since IS is much more than merely moving fingers. Iron Sand defence is not torn by anything Itachi has to offer. Next time I suggest you read the stipulations I provided before making arguments revolved around restricted techniques.

Okay, I forgot about that scan regarding genjutsu.

How is Sasori going to summon the Third Kazekage puppet and use him to manipulate sand before Itachi nails him with Amaterasu? Amaterasu travels faster than Sasori can react with IS. He has to move his fingers, which in turn control the 3rd Kazekage puppet, which in turn moves the sand to block LoS. Itachi can shunshin to a different position or closer location and use Amaterasu from there where Sasori can't react at all, or even keep up with his speed. Iron Sand is way too slow to keep up with Itachi as even Sakura was dodging it without difficulty. There's nothing Sasori can do to prevent Itachi from closing the gap between them and engaging him in close combat then killing him with a kunai to the heart, and clones just make this harder for Sasori. With Sasori starting in Hiruko this just makes things even worse.
 

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Amaterasu @ the core gg. Itachi can see Chakra and thus his heart, which represents the center of his Chakra network.

If there is something in the way of his line of sight, he will still hit said object and not the intended one.

Apêx made good arguments, I am going with Sasori as well.
 

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Itachi wins this. Beginning of part1 Sakura could adapt to the moving speed of the puppets and dodge them after some time. With Itachi possessing the sharingan(to read all attacks in advance) and being vastly faster than beginning of part1 Sakura, he should have no problems dodging them. Sharingan also helps to see the chakra in the core and he'd use amaterasu to finish Sasori in this case
 

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Sasori takes this easily.

If he is in Hiruko then Itachi is not seeing the core, if the 3rd then Sasori keeps iron sand around him to protect from Amaterasu since he knows about what it does.

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Itachi cannot do anything against this. 1 scratch and he is done.
 

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Itachi wins. Evading Iron Sand Jutsu is going to be no issue at all since the likes of Chiyo and Sakura were doing it. When it comes to the larger shape variants though, they did have trouble...but Sakura started to adapt and evade on her own and Itachi>>>>>>Sakura in speed. He evades all his attacks and makes his way toward the Kazekage, and destroys him with an exploding clone. His speed along with the fact he has the forest as cover, and his extremely fast hand sign speed means that Sasori will never even notice that he made a clone let alone being able to protect himself from said clone in time, and clones let him attack from multiple angles, making it harder for Sasori to counter. Not to mention things like Katon can be used as a distraction or a cover to get his clone close, just how Itachi used his Katon as a distraction to get the jump on B and Naruto.

100 puppets never even managed to touch Sakura, not touching Itachi.

Iron Sand World Method was only dangerous because they were in an enclosed space. Itachi evades it with ease in an open area.
 

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Okay, I forgot about that scan regarding genjutsu.

How is Sasori going to summon the Third Kazekage puppet and use him to manipulate sand before Itachi nails him with Amaterasu? Amaterasu travels faster than Sasori can react with IS. He has to move his fingers, which in turn control the 3rd Kazekage puppet, which in turn moves the sand to block LoS. Itachi can shunshin to a different position or closer location and use Amaterasu from there where Sasori can't react at all, or even keep up with his speed. Iron Sand is way too slow to keep up with Itachi as even Sakura was dodging it without difficulty. There's nothing Sasori can do to prevent Itachi from closing the gap between them and engaging him in close combat then killing him with a kunai to the heart, and clones just make this harder for Sasori. With Sasori starting in Hiruko this just makes things even worse.

Itachi does not start fight with Amateratsu. And Sasori simply needs to fire a senbon/Gaseous poison and then summon the 3rd Kazekage. However, for the sake of argument I'm just going to say Sasori starts with the 3rd Kazekage (since that's what I'm really interested in, my bad for not clarifying in OP). Sasori will see Itachi's eyes bleed, and then put up the IS barrier. Sakura was dodging it with Chiyo's assistance. And do note, her assistance increases reaction speed, agility and allows you to do things you wouldn't be able to normally do. And I also don't recall which IS Sakura dodged by foot speed, it was always her getting by Chiyo's chakra strings. So Sakura did not do anything by herself. She clearly would've died here [ ][ ] had their been no puppet assisting her with chakra shields.

IS is not slow at all, Itachi will not be brushing them off, and this will be especially true if Sasori decides to use his Iron Sand like Gaara uses his own sand [ ]. He made a whole lake of IS from the small amount you see on the left (initial amount). Meaning Sasori can expand the amount of IS by increasing chakra exertion into the IS. So Sasori is obviously no joke, and his IS goes at , with . So no, Itachi will not be shunshin'ing around Sasori, that's not happening; ever. Especially if Sasori decides to go airborne, at which case Itachi cannot hit Sasori with anything he has bar Amateratsu (which will fail).

Itachi wins. Evading Iron Sand Jutsu is going to be no issue at all since the likes of Chiyo and Sakura were doing it. When it comes to the larger shape variants though, they did have trouble...but Sakura started to adapt and evade on her own and Itachi>>>>>>Sakura in speed. He evades all his attacks and makes his way toward the Kazekage, and destroys him with an exploding clone. His speed along with the fact he has the forest as cover, and his extremely fast hand sign speed means that Sasori will never even notice that he made a clone let alone being able to protect himself from said clone in time, and clones let him attack from multiple angles, making it harder for Sasori to counter. Not to mention things like Katon can be used as a distraction or a cover to get his clone close, just how Itachi used his Katon as a distraction to get the jump on B and Naruto.

100 puppets never even managed to touch Sakura, not touching Itachi.

Iron Sand World Method was only dangerous because they were in an enclosed space. Itachi evades it with ease in an open area.

Not an admissible argument. Chiyo and Sakura did not dodge IS. Chiyo was only blocking it because she could not move out of the way (and her shield happens instantly, since it's a part of her body), and Sakura would've been hit on every occasion IS was used, including the one were the puppet used chakra shield to save her. The only time she was able to avoid it was when Chiyo threw Sakura upwards and then backwards with chakra strings. Sakura was not in control (at all) and Chiyo could do this far more easily given she had intel on Sasori's abilities, and she was further away, meaning she could throw Sakura back even when Sakura was right underneath an IS block. So no, Sakura adapted to nothing and evaded nothing, so that comparison doesn't work. Moving fingers a few millimetres is obviously far faster than moving your whole body, which is what Itachi has to do. And making his way to Sasori and the Kazekage is easier said than done when Sasori is airborne.

100 puppets aren't useful against Itachi, I'd say.
 
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Itachi wins. Evading Iron Sand Jutsu is going to be no issue at all since the likes of Chiyo and Sakura were doing it. When it comes to the larger shape variants though, they did have trouble...but Sakura started to adapt and evade on her own and Itachi>>>>>>Sakura in speed. He evades all his attacks and makes his way toward the Kazekage, and destroys him with an exploding clone. His speed along with the fact he has the forest as cover, and his extremely fast hand sign speed means that Sasori will never even notice that he made a clone let alone being able to protect himself from said clone in time, and clones let him attack from multiple angles, making it harder for Sasori to counter. Not to mention things like Katon can be used as a distraction or a cover to get his clone close, just how Itachi used his Katon as a distraction to get the jump on B and Naruto.

100 puppets never even managed to touch Sakura, not touching Itachi.

Iron Sand World Method was only dangerous because they were in an enclosed space. Itachi evades it with ease in an open area.

You need to reread that fight, they hardly evaded anything. Chiyo was shown using chakra shields to block certain iron sand attacks, Sakura was shown fighting the large constructs but her super strength helped a lot in that fight, something Itachi does not have.

After battling the large construct Sakura blew the roof off so they were no longer enclosed.
 

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You need to reread that fight, they hardly evaded anything. Chiyo was shown using chakra shields to block certain iron sand attacks,

If Chiyo was fast enough to block those with her shield, someone incomparably faster than her is going to dance around the same jutsu.


Sakura was shown fighting the large constructs but her super strength helped a lot in that fight, something Itachi does not have.
Her super strength let her knock one away. She obviously wasn't getting hit by them before that. Not to mention Chiyo already stated that Sakura had started to get used to the pattern of his attacks, something Itachi doesn't need to do since Sharingan shows the pattern of his attacks via precognition.



After battling the large construct Sakura blew the roof off so they were no longer enclosed.

The roof. Not the walls. If I'm in a 4x4 box and someone takes off the ceiling, doesn't change the fact I'm enclosed.
 

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@Apex - sharingan precog + itachi's shunshin >>>> anything Sakura and chiyo can offer in the speed and reflexes department. I'll elaborate when I have the time.
 

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Not an admissible argument. Chiyo and Sakura did not dodge IS. Chiyo was only blocking it because she could not move out of the way (and her shield happens instantly, since it's a part of her body), and Sakura would've been hit on every occasion IS was used, including the one were the puppet used chakra shield to save her. The only time she was able to avoid it was when Chiyo threw Sakura upwards and then backwards with chakra strings. Sakura was not in control (at all) and Chiyo could do this far more easily given she had intel on Sasori's abilities, and she was further away, meaning she could throw Sakura back even when Sakura was right underneath an IS block. So no, Sakura adapted to nothing and evaded nothing, so that comparison doesn't work. Moving fingers a few millimetres is obviously far faster than moving your whole body, which is what Itachi has to do. And making his way to Sasori and the Kazekage is easier said than done when Sasori is airborne.

Chiyo's shield obviously isn't put up instantaneously, nor is it being part of her body some kind of evidence that it does. The shield spawns from her arm, but she still has to make the motion to block it, just like any regular person carrying a shield. Then you factor in Itachi being tiers above her in speed, and he easily evades it instead of being able to block. Chiyo is already much slower than him and he has Sharingan pre cog to boot.

Also. Chiyo disagrees with you. She clearly states that Sakura is seeing through his attack pattern and clearly states that she can do "it" on her own, without her assistance.



Sakura was evading his attacks in the end, on her own. Itachi does the same, but much much easier.

Sasori airborne? Not only does increasing the distance between him and Itachi make it that much easier for the latter to dodge his attacks, this is in a forest, the trees can be used as elevation for him to Shunshin off of, allowing him to get to Sasori even when he's in the air.
 

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If Chiyo was fast enough to block those with her shield, someone incomparably faster than her is going to dance around the same jutsu.



Her super strength let her knock one away. She obviously wasn't getting hit by them before that. Not to mention Chiyo already stated that Sakura had started to get used to the pattern of his attacks, something Itachi doesn't need to do since Sharingan shows the pattern of his attacks via precognition.





The roof. Not the walls. If I'm in a 4x4 box and someone takes off the ceiling, doesn't change the fact I'm enclosed.

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Sand bullets are shot all over the place, there was no evading in this scenario, the best thing she could do was use her shield. Itachi has nothing like Chiyo's shield.

The attack didnt even reach to where Chiyo was anyway so it wouldnt matter if your in an open field or not, Itachi would be in Sakura's position in this battle not Chiyo's, there was nowhere Sakura could go in that moment.
 

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No Susano'o?

Eh Itachi's speed is good but those smaller variants may not be avoidable.....

Depends imo
 
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