Itachi vs Tobirama

[Blaze Release]

Location: Konoha (Kisame & itachi vs Asuma/Kurenai)
Intel: Manga
Restrictions: MS, Hiraishin
Mindset: IC
Distance: 15M

Tobirama has 2 fodder Edo's.
Itachi gets basic sealing tags.

 

[KCN]

Eh, if Itachi somehow counters the Edo's he'd win. Otherwise, he gets blown to death./

 

[KidGamer65]

The main issue here is, how will Itachi seal the Edo Zombies away without getting blown to bits?

 

[Bronze]

Huh? You restricted MS. Tobirama shits.

 

[KCN]

You don't think he has counters?



Hey hey, ive left that to you guys to decide who wins.
If i see that one party is getting more votes i might join the other



Dude i hate this character shits logic without explanation.
Hiraishin is also restricted. Itachi has 3T and Tobirama fodder edo's instead

Not necessarily. I mean, Itachi probably has the best shurikenjutsu in the manga along with Sasuke. The same way he bypassed Rinnegans vision, i can see Itachi angling two kunai's with the tags attached on tobiramas blind spot hitting the edos.

 

[Strict]

Lord Itachi. Self-evidently. Unrestricted Itachi is above Kaguya as stated by her son and creator of Shinobi history (as he said Itachi is completely invincible). Without the MS, he is at least SM Hashirama's level.

 

[Bronze]

Dude i hate this character shits logic without explanation.
Hiraishin is also restricted. Itachi has 3T and Tobirama fodder edo's instead

It leaves Tobirama with CQC against Itachi, in which Tobirama will be the victor.

1). His reflexes and response with his hand-speed were enough to tag Obito as host of Juubi. He responded against SM Madara's first black rod, and would have won if the latter didn't use his Rinnegan (presumingly). Itachi is no match to Tobirama in CQC.

2). As you restricted his MS, you also took away his defence (Susanoo) to survive Gojo. The fodder Edo Tensei can recklessly run right toward him and explode in mid-close range.

 

[KCN]

Wait I'm pretty sure the databook says if Tobirama uses that jutsu he'd die too...

 

[KidGamer65]

Tobirama can win.

-Itachi can't get close to the Edos without blowing himself up, while Tobirama can detonate remotely since he is the one manipulating their movements. There's also the fact that the AoE of two Gojo bombs going off at once is probably something that he won't be escaping unharmed, if at all. Highly doubt he'll escape though.

-Tobirama was stated to be faster than Madara (Fastest of his time) and that same Madara is fast enough to

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I don't consider Itachi to have better reaction speed than Sage Naruto, so Tobirama would probably pressure him the same way. Tobirama moved fast enough to tag Juubito right before the latter took off half his body as well. He'd probably beat Itachi in close combat.

-Itachi's long range moves are mostly Katon IIRC, Suiton hard counters it, especially since Tobirama's Suiton are most likely larger scaled than Itachi's Katon.

-Genjutsu is an issue, but clones means that he'll be unable to land it on the original, due to not knowing which one is the original to begin with.

 

[Blaze Release]

Where are the Itachi fans man. Somebody needs to counter Bronze and now Kidgamer.
Hate to be that person in my own thread

Lord Itachi. Self-evidently. Unrestricted Itachi is above Kaguya as stated by her son and creator of Shinobi history (as he said Itachi is completely invincible). Without the MS, he is at least SM Hashirama's level.

Lol strict. I saw your name and said to myself, 'yes' finally.
Then you post this.

Owarij, Floriglori, where are you guys man

 

[Bronze]

Where are the Itachi fans man. Somebody needs to counter Bronze and now Kidgamer.
Hate to be that person in my own thread



Lol strict. I saw your name and said to myself, 'yes' finally.
Then you post this.

Owarij, Floriglori, where are you guys man

I don't want to get to a big debate. My points were simple. Now I'm going to eat.

Owarji doesn't come here anymore.

 

[Blaze Release]

I don't want to get to a big debate. My points were simple. Now I'm going to eat.

Owarji doesn't come here anymore.

Haha fair enough.
All these bastards (current itachi fans) only know/do is troll the forums with nonsense.
The Itachi fans of my days were ruthless, now its just trolls on almost every forum, damn shame man, damn shame.

Owarij appears to come online but doesn't post. I need to send him this link. Maybe he will reply.
Who else is there?????? *Thinks*

EDIT: This is what ill throw out for any itachi fan out there who wants to take charge of this debate for Itachi.

They are near a water source.
Itachi's has produced 2 suiton feats. Both ranked at B. So we know his skill at the minimum is jonin. Equipped with the sharingan?

karasu bunshin/ kage Bunshin?

Weapon usage. Include explosive tags?

Knows all about edo tensei and the seals?

Produces a barrier which appears to be Suijinheki?

List goes on Man, come on.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I think Tobirama can still win.

Speed and Taijutsu is in Tobirama's favour. Chakra and stamina is hugely in his favour. Multiple shadow clones may be a problem for Itachi as well. Tobiramas water style > Itachis Fire style.

ET isn't much threat to itachi though, since using fodders is of no issue to itachi. Not to mention that the explosion will most likely not work if the opponent isn't restrained. Hashirama needed to hold Juubito down and Hiruzen out ran it as well. Don't think Itachi's has a problem here.

Still, I think Tobirama has more in his favour.

 

[Strict]

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. Note that Sasuke is directly looking into his eyes - nothing else excepted from a person caught off guard.

Then, he either uses a Genjutsu and finishes him off or uses Shunshin with an explosive clone.

Fastest of his time? With Hiraishin, yeah. Hiraishin is restricted. Show me his canon non Hiraishin Shunshin.

Clones are no counter. They're feints which can be used once. Itachi can use clones, too, so what? Is that a counter to Tobirama's Jutsu? No, Kagebunshin as a counter are only mentioned when it's about Uchiha powers, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Genjutsu are always countered by Bunshin feints. What about Itachi's Bunshin feints to counter Tobirama's Jutsu? Karasu Bunshin are even less Chakra consuming due to using the crows Chakra as a source.

 

[Strict]

Bro, I already solo'd the thread. Please exclude me from your debates if you don't want the dabates to be ended after my post.

 

[Zexion~]

Itachi solos this easily

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Since there is a water source nearby, if Blaze Release is correct in saying the water barrier he can produce is similar to Suijinheki (honestly can't remember), then I'd say that's a plausible counter to the Gojo explosions, considering the water should be abundant enough to cover the AoE and tank the damage. He can then disable the "fodder" Edo (assuming they have mediocre skills/reactions) upon their regeneration via throwing the Sealing tags, which he should have no problem doing due to his proficiency with kunai/shuriken.

As for dealing with Tobirama himself, I don't see why Itachi can't keep up with him in CQC or otherwise, using both his Shunshin and Sharingan precog to match his base speed. He should also be able to counter Tobirama's Suiton techs up to a certain level via his own Suiton proficiency with the help of Sharingan, something similar to what Kakashi did against Zabuza

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As Strict said, Crow Clones take up less chakra than regular Bunshin due to the fact that they use crows as the medium, so that should at least balance it out between Tobirama's own clones.

 

[Lariatoo]

Honestly think that Itachi wins. I'm not one of those Itachi fans that go for the "Totsuka blitz GG" routine, but in this case would whitout a doubt be the best possible counter to Edo Tensei...
In reflexes and base speed they are mostly equal with Itachi having a slight advantage dare I say, and since he don't use the "spread them up" stlye of Hiraishin with kunai, an Amaterasu to the face is an extremely possible ending. Not mentioning The constant threat of genjutsu.

Edit: Oh. Did not saw the restrictions... Gonna have to take a second to think about it...

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Honestly think that Itachi wins. I'm not one of those Itachi fans that go for the "Totsuka blitz GG" routine, but in this case would whitout a doubt be the best possible counter to Edo Tensei...
In reflexes and base speed they are mostly equal with Itachi having a slight advantage dare I say, and since he don't use the "spread them up" stlye of Hiraishin with kunai, an Amaterasu to the face is an extremely possible ending. Not mentioning The constant threat of genjutsu.

Edit: Oh. Did not saw the restrictions... Gonna have to take a second to think about it...

MS and Hiraishin are restricted here though, so no Amaterasu or Hiraishin Slash.

 

[Lariatoo]

Hmm... Itachi still wins...
The reasoning above is enough...