Has Sasuke surpassed Kakashi?

[shelke]

Kamui Shurikens can be easily countered by throwing the Magatama in its path. Just like Kakashi did with the Chakra arms. They were coming straight at PS and he simply intercepted them. It has less to do with speed and more to do with precision. Like Sasuke's arrows were intercepted by Black rods. Those black rods obviously were not shot out at arrows' speed, but they were so in time, as the enton managed to eat the rod and disappeared.

Same will happen here. It isn't about speed, but interception.

 

[Brooks]

Leave up to this place to debate about something so obvious.

 

[OG sama]

Pre VoTE Sasuke beats him too.

-His Susanoo>>Kakashi's Susanoo. Kamui Shuriken are evaded with ease considering Amenotejikara can be used in conjunction with Susanoo, that also means that Kakashi's Susanoo gets blitzed by Sasuke's. Due to Kakashi's Susanoo having no kind of feat or hype or logical reasoning that'd prove it's on par with Sasuke's, along with the fact that half of Hagoromo's Chakra>Portion of JJ Madara's Rikudo Chakra, pretty sure Sasuke would tear his Susanoo apart.

-Sasuke blitzes with Amenotejikara and finishes him off. If Kakashi tries to strike, he'll be tangible, allowing Sasuke to finish him, if he's using Kamui Raikiri, he'll be intangible in all areas except his hand, which Sasuke can strike. Won't kill him, but it will definitely cripple him.

Kakashi has no way to finish Sasuke off. Kamui is evaded. Susanoo is obliterated, and Kakashi can't attack Sasuke with anything but Raikiri unless he wants to get bifurcated.

Wow, I forgot about amenotejikara and Susanoo being used in conjunction, some one proved this a while back. I see why now your one of NBs best debaters. The rikudo chakra also makes a lot of since. And is something I never thought about. Sasuke can win without using any rinnegan techs as well. That's some serious power. I wonder can he use rinnegan techs and susanoo in conjunction with another. He has hagoromo like proficiency with the rinnegan after all.

 

[OG sama]

Kamui Shurikens can be easily countered by throwing the Magatama in its path. Just like Kakashi did with the Chakra arms. They were coming straight at PS and he simply intercepted them. It has less to do with speed and more to do with precision. Like Sasuke's arrows were intercepted by Black rods. Those black rods obviously were not shot out at arrows' speed, but they were so in time, as the enton managed to eat the rod and disappeared.

Same will happen here. It isn't about speed, but interception.

Yeah I also said the two jutsu would cancel each other out, but Kidgamer was saying that KS is just too fast for it. But I could be wrong with his interpretation of it. It did seem more like Kakashi timed his use of it like you said.

 

[shelke]

Yeah I also said the two jutsu would cancel each other out, but Kidgamer was saying that KS is just too fast for it. But I could be wrong with his interpretation of it. It did seem more like Kakashi timed his use of it like you said.

Arrows were too fast for rods as well. Far too fast in fact. It just seems to me that the team was taken off guard, as Kakashi easily flew up with his Susano'o and Sakura covered some distance by running under it as well.

It has a lot to do with timing. As long as anyone reacts in time, he does it. Another example would be how Kakashi created a warp point right in front of arrows to warp them. Arrows were faster, as they had already covered a distance and Kakashi didn't have MS on. Interception does the trick.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Arrows were too fast for rods as well. Far too fast in fact. It just seems to me that the team was taken off guard, as Kakashi easily flew up with his Susano'o and Sakura covered some distance by running under it as well.

It has a lot to do with timing. As long as anyone reacts in time, he does it. Another example would be how Kakashi created a warp point right in front of arrows to warp them. Arrows were faster, as they had already covered a distance and Kakashi didn't have MS on. Interception does the trick.

Sasuke's Susano'o arrows are in no way shape or form faster than any form of kamui. The speed of the rods is dependant on the user.

I doubt yaska is fast enough to intercept them but really and truly there's nothing stopping sasuke from flying out of the way.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke's Susano'o arrows are in no way shape or form faster than any form of kamui. The speed of the rods is dependant on the user.

I doubt yaska is fast enough to intercept them but really and truly there's nothing stopping sasuke from flying out of the way.

No idea what you are talking about. What speed? He shot them out. Do you think they are comparable to Susano'o muscle? Don't be absurd.

It can.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No idea what you are talking about. What speed? He shot them out. Do you think they are comparable to Susano'o muscle? Don't be absurd.

It can.

U said the arrows are faster than kamui.
Based on kamui's mechanics that's nigh impossible.
Where as yaska Matanagma moves at the same speed as obito's shuriken. Which got blocked by earth wall.

Naturally the power would scale up through higher levels of susanno but nothing leads me to believe the speed would.

 

[shelke]

U said the arrows are faster than kamui.
Based on kamui's mechanics that's nigh impossible.
Where as yaska Matanagma moves at the same speed as obito's shuriken. Which got blocked by earth wall.

Naturally the power would scale up through higher levels of susanno but nothing leads me to believe the speed would.

Where?

Sasuke's Magatama are not like Madara or Itach's. They are thrown in a spinning manner, whereas Sasuke's are shot out from the Enton flame. They are like a gatling gun and numerous in number. Obito's shuriken was also shot out from Kamui dimension, not to mention Kakashi's Kamui speed is only slightly faster than Obito's stake-out-of-Kamui speed. But that is another debate altogether.

Really? Because the attack from PS was so fast that it produced a shock-wave. Higher tiers mean more fibers and more muscle to susnao'o. It means arrows will be strung with more muscle and sword attacks would go through a similar power spike.

 

[Demonic.]

Kid Sasuke can solo this.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Where?

"Arrows were faster, as they had already covered a distance and Kakashi didn't have MS on" here.

Sasuke's Magatama are not like Madara or Itach's. They are thrown in a spinning manner, whereas Sasuke's are shot out from the Enton flame. They are like a gatling gun and numerous in number.

nothing leads me to believe that sasuke's is faster. And Madara already done the same in higher numbers.

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Obito's shuriken was also shot out from Kamui dimension, not to mention Kakashi's Kamui speed is only slightly faster than Obito's stake-out-of-Kamui speed. But that is another debate altogether.

yet said shuriken got blocked by earth wall. Whereas the arrow needed kamui.

Really? Because the attack from PS was so fast that it produced a shock-wave.

sasuke's legged susanno produced a shock-wave as well albeit not as big. The power scaled up. Wheather the speed did as well is questionable. It should tho. But that's only in the case of ps/legged susanno slash. As u already said the way the Matanagma are launched (especially 4 sauce) is different. There's no "muscle fiber" so to speak behind it.

Higher tiers mean more fibers and more muscle to susnao'o. It means arrows will be strung with more muscle and sword attacks would go through a similar power spike.

Naturally. I don't doubt the arrows I doubt the Matanagma.

 

[narutokage99]

Kakashi stomps

 

[shelke]

"Arrows were faster, as they had already covered a distance and Kakashi didn't have MS on" here.

nothing leads me to believe that sasuke's is faster. And Madara already done the same in higher numbers.

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yet said shuriken got blocked by earth wall. Whereas the arrow needed kamui.


sasuke's legged susanno produced a shock-wave as well albeit not as big. The power scaled up. Wheather the speed did as well is questionable. It should tho. But that's only in the case of ps/legged susanno slash. As u already said the way the Matanagma are launched (especially 4 sauce) is different. There's no "muscle fiber" so to speak behind it.
Naturally. I don't doubt the arrows I doubt the Matanagma.

Is that what it says?

Already told you why.

Precisely my point. Unimpressive Kamui.

Is it behind other Magatmas? They are spun around and launched or vise versa. Sasuke's are shot out like bullets. These are also only four magatamas, where as Sasuke shot out about ten in one go and he was also only hitting the Zetsus. Nothing suggests he couldn't have created more.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Is that what it says?

that's exactly what it says.

Already told you why.

your explanation dosen't apply for the Matanagma. Only the arrows.

Precisely my point. Unimpressive Kamui.

How can it be unimpressive if it warped both? I'm saying kamui shuriken>arrow>yaska Matanagma in speed.

Is it behind other Magatmas?

is what? Sasuke's Matanagma? No. They should be equal.

They are spun around and launched or vise versa. Sasuke's are shot out like bullets.

in the scan madara launched it like obito's shuriken/stake.

These are also only four magatamas, where as Sasuke shot out about ten in one go and he was also only hitting the Zetsus. Nothing suggests he couldn't have created more.

are you suggesting madara shot 4 matanagma's at an army? Are you suggesting 4 is his limit when he already shown more?

This is what I'm saying. Since sasuke dosen't physically throw the Matanagma(as you've profusely said) it's speed wouldn't scale up through higher susanno levels since its still being shot the same way.
Where arrows are bigger, strung by stronger arms and launched off of a bigger bow, it gains boosts in power and speed as the Susanoo goes up.
enton matanagma is launched from the same orb in the same manner regardless of Susanoo and as such wouldn't get boosted by higher susanno levels.

 

[shelke]

that's exactly what it says.

your explanation dosen't apply for the Matanagma. Only the arrows.

How can it be unimpressive if it warped both? I'm saying kamui shuriken>arrow yaska Matanagma in speed.

is what? Sasuke's Matanagma? No. They should be equal.
in the scan madara launched it like obito's shuriken/stake.
are you suggesting madara shot 4 matanagma's at an army? Are you suggesting 4 is his limit when he already shown more?

This is what I'm saying. Since sasuke dosen't physically throw the Matanagma(as you've profusely said) it's speed wouldn't scale up through higher susanno levels since its still being shot the same way.
Where arrows are bigger, strung by stronger arms and launched off of a bigger bow, it gains boosts in power and speed as the Susanoo goes up.
enton matanagma is launched from the same orb in the same manner regardless of Susanoo and as such wouldn't get boosted by higher susanno levels.

Nope. Read it again. It talks about distance and MS not being on ... and stuff.

And I told you how they can be intercepted?

Nope.

They create momentum by spinning around. That is not the case with Sasuke's as they are shot out via force and that's it.

He can create more, but 4 at a time is his limit. Scaling goes up with every Susano'o, regardless of whether arms are involved or not. One form is better than the last in every possible way.

Anyway, this is getting repetitive. We are not going to agree anyway.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Nope. Read it again. It talks about distance and MS not being on ... and stuff.

And I told you how they can be intercepted?

Nope.

They create momentum by spinning around. That is not the case with Sasuke's as they are shot out via force and that's it.

He can create more, but 4 at a time is his limit. Scaling goes up with every Susano'o, regardless of whether arms are involved or not. One form is better than the last in every possible way.

Anyway, this is getting repetitive. We are not going to agree anyway.

I don't see how "distance and stuff" effect kamui's speed.

U said their fast enough to intercepted. With faulty proof.

Ummmmm ok?

So how does that make it faster?

He's already made over 4 at a time. The orb doesn't scale up tho. We've seen the orb sit above sasuke's ribcage susanno and get intercepted by garra's. Same orb couldn't even take out all the zetsu in 1 shot.


True. I'll stop here.

 

[QdonEms]

He was stronger when he was hebi sasuke.

 

[Zavage10]

Kakashi is a freaking fodder. He cant even deal with a meteor ***ment by himself. Trashkage...

 

[Selan]

DMS Kakashi teaches him a lesson while blitzing him with Kamui Raikiri or warping away his ass with Kamui.

 

[Esdez]

Sasuke stomps