KKG can be learned.

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Onoki and Muu are a prime example since Muu isn't even Onoki's brother; there is no bloodline connection between the two. It is extremely difficult to learn without the bloodline, but it can be done. Most likely with some very special methods requiring overwhelming skill.

So this shows why it is not a plothole for Prime Hiruzen to know all Konoha Jutsu, even all the KKGs. Afterall, he is the Professor.
 
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But you see, Dust Release is a Kekkei Tōta, that works by combining earth, wind, and fire chakra natures. Anyone can learn it, given that they have the skill to combine the 3 elements. Can you learn a KKG that is passed only through bloodline? No.
 

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We dont know their relation to speculate.

KKG cant be learned.
 

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But you see, Dust Release is a Kekkei Tōta, that works by combining earth, wind, and fire chakra natures. Anyone can learn it, given that they have the skill to combine the 3 elements. Can you learn a KKG that is passed only through bloodline? No.

KKG is just combining two elements. Kekkei Tota is just a more advanced version of KKG.
 

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KKG is just combining two elements. Kekkei Tota is just a more advanced version of KKG.

You're confusing Kekkei Genkai with Kekkei Tota. Kekkei Tota are open for most shinobi to master. Kekkei Genkai, literally meaning Bloodline Limit, are techniques that are passed down through bloodline. An example of a Kekkei Genkai is the Sharingan, which can only be awakened by those of the Uchiha Heritage. Is Hiruzen of the Uchiha Heritage? No, thus, he cannot access the Sharingan. Sure, he could take one and use it, but that isn't the same as having one ready at will.
 

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You're confusing Kekkei Genkai with Kekkei Tota. Kekkei Tota are open for most shinobi to master. Kekkei Genkai, literally meaning Bloodline Limit, are techniques that are passed down through bloodline. An example of a Kekkei Genkai is the Sharingan, which can only be awakened by those of the Uchiha Heritage. Is Hiruzen of the Uchiha Heritage? No, thus, he cannot access the Sharingan. Sure, he could take one and use it, but that isn't the same as having one ready at will.

But what about manga facts?

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It must be learnable in order to not contradict manga fact. Unless Prime Hiruzen has some sort of KKG that gives him access to all the bloodlines.
 

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But what about manga facts?

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It must be learnable in order to not contradict manga fact. Unless Prime Hiruzen has some sort of KKG that gives him access to all the bloodlines.

You're taking that panel too literally. It meant that he might have known all of the non-bloodline jutsu in the village.
 

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You're taking that panel too literally. It meant that he might have known all of the non-bloodline jutsu in the village.

No it specifically states all Konoha Jutsu.

If he knows all non-bloodline jutsu, it would have been stated.
 

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But what about manga facts?

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It must be learnable in order to not contradict manga fact. Unless Prime Hiruzen has some sort of KKG that gives him access to all the bloodlines.

Yes, what about manga facts? Your insistence that Hiruzen can learn Kekkei Genkai such as the Sharingan is ludicrous, and contradicts manga facts. If anything, you've blown that scan way out of proportion.
 

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,By sasuke maybe.
But no, sakura wanted to learn yamatos Mokuton jutsu. He told her no, it can't be learned.
If anyone would learn a kkg its sakura. One the other had tsunAde may be able to.
 

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,By sasuke maybe.
But no, sakura wanted to learn yamatos Mokuton jutsu. He told her no, it can't be learned.
If anyone would learn a kkg its sakura. One the other had tsunAde may be able to.

What the **** is this BS??
 

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What the **** is this BS??

Kaguya knew kkg.
Sasuke has her eye.
Propable

Sakura asked yamato to teach her the Mokuton suppression to help Naruto
He told he he couldn't,
Tsunade may be able to as she is a direct descendant of the ability
 

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Kaguya knew kkg.
Sasuke has her eye.
Propable

Sakura asked yamato to teach her the Mokuton suppression to help Naruto
He told he he couldn't,
Tsunade may be able to as she is a direct descendant of the ability

Oh, I couldn't read that post.
 

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Blood limits like dojutsu or anything related to it, can't be learned. Things like sharingan, Byakugan, kimimaro bone ability, etc. are caused because of DNA. Although absorbing that DNA in should allow the user to use the blood limit, such as kakashi and kabuto. Any nature combination can technically be learned by anyone if they have the skill to do it, that is a big if.
 

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Eeerrr, no. :|

Muu and Onoki both possess the gene and so, Muu chose Onoki to train for that fact.
 

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Blood limits like dojutsu or anything related to it, can't be learned. Things like sharingan, Byakugan, kimimaro bone ability, etc. are caused because of DNA. Although absorbing that DNA in should allow the user to use the blood limit, such as kakashi and kabuto. Any nature combination can technically be learned by anyone if they have the skill to do it, that is a big if.

Yep. There's a bloodline limit and a bloodline selection.
 
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