[Discussion] Rob Lucci vs. Zoro and Sanji

[ZoroXTashigi]

Well Sanji defeated Jyabura easily, so hypothetically Sanjis douriki I guess would be higher, add that in with Zoros and Lucci gets overwhelmed imo. You bring up some good points though.

I don't think you get my point. Zoro need his strongest attack to bypass 2200 douriki and Sanji need DJ to bypass 2180 douriki. You said Sanji defeat Jyabura easily, okey for the sake of argument, then assumption that limit Asura is 3000 douriki and DJ is 2900 douriki... it's still below Lucci's douriki. You can't add two different attack become one, it's 4000 > 3000, 2900 ... not 4000 < 3000 + 2900. If Zoro and Sanji can scratch Lucci , they will have a chance to win, otherwise they will lose.

 

[LitzSabr]

I think Asura should be able to easily bypass Lucci's tekkai(without any challenge). His one sword style attack shishi sonson was going to break through Kaku's tekkai(2200). Kaku had to use a rankyaku slash to counter zoro's attack and stop it from happening which tells getting past kaku's rankyaku is even harder, especially since he specializes in it. And Asura, as stated, Obliterated/turned the whole attack in mist his strongest Amanedachi. Even a weaker version of amanedachi cut through the whole tower of justice and went on and the actual stronger amanedachi rankyaku one couldn't hold a candle to Asura. Its clear that Lucci can't survive this if Gear 3 made him dizzy. To me Gear 3 obviously has more AoE but force focused at one point imo defintely Asura has more than G3.

Now this type of comparison I can't make with Sanji but we know that his attacks that hurt his opponent just doesn't depend on heating up his leg. When he didn't use DJ on his leg his couldn't bypass jyabura's tekkai in the train, he did a stronger kick right after that and nearly broke through it. So we know for sure what attack he did matters too not just the "DJ mode". He wrecked Jyabura's(2180) tekkai with DJ with a normal kick in the first go, that normal kick with DJ is capable of breaking through stronger tekkai it means. And if he does DJ with something like his kick course it would even pose problems and possibly hurt even Lucci.

 

[Love Cook]

I don't think you get my point. Zoro need his strongest attack to bypass 2200 douriki and Sanji need DJ to bypass 2180 douriki. You said Sanji defeat Jyabura easily, okey for the sake of argument, then assumption that limit Asura is 3000 douriki and DJ is 2900 douriki... it's still below Lucci's douriki. You can't add two different attack become one, it's 4000 > 3000, 2900 ... not 4000 < 3000 + 2900. If Zoro and Sanji can scratch Lucci , they will have a chance to win, otherwise they will lose.

Yea I totally agree, that not only goes for tekkai but all other aspects in battle too.

You can add all the people you want, but there is no point if they're clearly weaker. slower, less durable, less powerful to sum it up on another level.

It would be the same if 10 Luffy's would fight Kizaru at sabaody. 10 Luffy's might be a good fight against Kizaru for a while if they were fused into one body but now he would be the same helpless Luffy but only times 10.

 

[Bogard]

I think Enies Lobby Zoro alone can push Enies Lobby Lucci to (high)mid diff or (low)high diff, but will lose in the end. Asura one shoted Kaku, so the limit of the attack wasn't shown. And thriller Bark Zoro is vastly stronger than Enies Lobby Zoro. He got a huge power-up in the name of Shusui where he stated himself it brought his fire power several steps higher to the point it threatened even Oars and his titanic strength(destroying high steel materials like butter) and durability(saying "it would have hurt if i took it head on" when talking about Zoro's 108 pound phoenix), and preskip his range attacks were weaker than moves like Shishisonson, let alone Asura. If Lucci take hits head on while Zoro is holding Shusui, he would go down.

The problem however will be Lucci's speed, plus the fact Zoro wasn't mastering Shusui perfectly at that point(so let alone in combination of his attacks) and later on Zoro was constantly damaged without a rest(never healthy), so i'd say Lucci will still win but after a very high to possibly extreme difficulty battle(assuming we're talking about a healthy Zoro). With Sanji there, they should take this with around mid-high difficulty(considering i think Preskip Sanji alone can push him to mid mid difficulty and combo between Zoro and Sanji make them stronger)