Yata Mirror and Totsuka blade are made of spiritual energy, so is soul/spirit

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to prove the title of thread with this post, so let's do it.

We know the huge hype around Spiritual weapons of Itachi which Itachi wields. Yes, I am talking about Yata Mirror and Totsuka blade.

Yata Mirror:

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Totsuka Blade:

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Both weapons were stated as spiritual/etheral weapons with no physical shape:

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There was years since Databook III came out giving such ridiculous hype to these weapons wielded by Itachi, so even Itachi himself was called invincible. When the most of other fans questioned Itachi fans if Preta Path or some other techniques would work on them Itachi fans always denied it stating that these are SPIRITUAL WEAPONS, so there was never stated chakra is required even although They looked and acted as part of Susanoo as pointed out by others.

However Recently I reread war arc of the manga and I stopped at this particular scan:

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You may ask, what is there unusual in compare to other scans ?

The answer is simple, Nagato used Human path or Naraka path to pull soul out of Naruto's body, but Naruto could grab it with his chakra arms and even able to resist or pull them back, right ?

Soul is spirit/ethereal matter and yet it was proved chakra arms could grab it, could it mean that in spirit/ethereal matter is special kind of chakra in some form at least ?

If the answer is yes, then It could also reffer to Totsuka and Yata Mirror aka spiritual weapons being manifested with use of chakra of user along with Susanoo.

Neither MANGA or DATABOOK has ever stated or even hinted that Ningendou grabing someone cause soul to manifest, so your argument is baseless and just one of another excuse.

Your argument can only be based that if stuff was seen by someone or was invisible:

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^^ Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade were clearly visible to eye as Black Zetsu saw them since Itachi pulled them out.

Also funny stuff is that Manga only reffers to them as having no physical shape, (NO mention of not being physical or visible in this plane), so stop talking bullshit as excusse.

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^^ as you can notice, soul also doesn't have physical shape and yet it was visible to the eye, just like spirutal weapons.

Naruto was only able to guess that it was soul as he was drained of all strength slowly:

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Ways to beat them:

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It could mean Preta path would absorb them in chakra form making wielder unable to bring them back until he has enough of chakra.

I won't deny that Yata Mirror may block any attack at Itachi, but what if chakra arm or Susanoo arm would grab it and try to take from Itachi, how would Yata consider it as attack ? Could it mean that it rely on wielder mind/reaction time or does it think for itself ?

Also it means Totsuka can be grabbed and basically anyone with strength above Complete Susanoo could lock Totsuka making Itachi unable to pierce and seal him/her.

Truth seeking balls are perfect weapon as counter to these spiritual weapons, as they just nullify both physcial and spiritual energies also as stated by databook IV, so they would be negated or just grabbed and locked in grip or destroyed

Summary: Anyone with Susanoo, Chakra cloak in any form, TSB with strength on par or above Complete Susanoo, speed reaction time of Itachi or above and durability above Yasaka Magatama + resistance to occular Genjutsu, which means:

Kaguya, Hagoromo, Ashura, Indra, Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, Obito(if Susanoo is counted) + maybe Nagato could beat Itachi with his all hype of Totsuka and Yata. Of course knowledge on it is crucial and necessary.

Thanks for reading !

Please don't hate me or neg rep me for manga facts

 

[blazingizanagi45]

Yes, that means that Itachi shitstomps Hagoromo, Jubi jin Madara and Obito, and Kaguya with ease, neg-diff.

 

[-immortal-]

This is awesome

 

[Zealotic]

All assumptions

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can't be grabbed

 

[Slowking]

who knows maybe you're right ​

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[Six Paths]

The explanation is very well done surprisingly. Nice work man

 

[KCMNaruto]

All assumptions

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can't be grabbed

neither has soul as stated many times in manga, shown and even stated in Databook.

Also it means they have no physical shape, which means they can be floating randomly stream of energy, it was never stated to not exist in physical plane as Kamui users can due to Space time Ninjutsu.

yet it could be grabbed, so try again.

 

[HENI]

Itachi is invincible.

 

[Zealotic]

neither has soul as stated many times in manga, shown and even stated in Databook.

Also it means they have no physical shape, which means they can be floating randomly stream of energy, it was never stated to not exist in physical plane as Kamui users can due to Space time Ninjutsu.

yet it could be grabbed, so try again.

Post manga scan/databook that says this
Form =/= Shape they clearly have a shape form is more the configuration. The manga scan states it does exist in a physical form.
They cannot be grabbed like the soul

 

[Punk Hazard]

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can't be grabbed

OP is right. Souls are the same, yet Naruto could grab onto it. Totsuka can slice through things and pierce them, as seen when they cut Orochimaru's snakes and Orochimaru himself. Things must make physical contact with the Yata Mirror, or else the Mirror wouldn't be able to repel them. If there was no physical interaction, Totsuka would pass through everything all the time, and everything would pass through Yata. Physical interaction works both ways. Totsuka and Yata can touch things, so things can touch them. They have some form of tangibility to them. No solid form doesn't mean unable to be touched. Water, gases and electricity are good examples of things with no physical form that can be touched and physically interacted with.

 

[Gerkak]

-Preta path only absorbs chakra (spiritual energy + physical energy) even if you were correct there is nothing to suggest that preta path can absorb spiritual energy alone

- The yata mirror automatically responds to attacks, if a chakra arm tries to grab it it will register it as an attack and deflect it

- TSB negate chakra which is again spiritual energy + physical energy. Nothing I have seen in the data book or manga suggest they can negate spiritual energy alone.

Also one thing to add is just because a soul could be grabbed by chakra arms does not mean that the spiritual weapons could as well. How do you know whether souls in the naruto verse are considered physical while the spiritual weapons aren't? Also there is nothing to suggest that the spiritual weapons were made of spiritual energy in the first place.

 

[Glad Of War]

Too bad Itachi fanboys won't agree with you till forever.

 

[Zealotic]

OP is right. Souls are the same, yet Naruto could grab onto it. Totsuka can slice through things and pierce them, as seen when they cut Orochimaru's snakes and Orochimaru himself. Things must make physical contact with the Yata Mirror, or else the Mirror wouldn't be able to repel them. If there was no physical interaction, Totsuka would pass through everything all the time, and everything would pass through Yata. Physical interaction works both ways. Totsuka and Yata can touch things, so things can touch them. They have some form of tangibility to them.

Since it was stated they don't have a physical form any attack that overlaps/occupies the area where Yata is seen gets blocked. By physical I think it means everything in the physical world Liquid/soild/gas

-Preta path only absorbs chakra (spiritual energy + physical energy) even if you were correct there is nothing to suggest that preta path can absorb spiritual energy alone

- The yata mirror automatically responds to attacks, if a chakra arm tries to grab it it will register it as an attack and deflect it

- TSB negate chakra which is again spiritual energy + physical energy. Nothing I have seen in the data book or manga suggest they can negate spiritual energy alone.

Also one thing to add is just because a soul could be grabbed by chakra arms does not mean that the spiritual weapons could as well. How do you know whether souls in the naruto verse are considered physical while the spiritual weapons aren't? Also there is nothing to suggest that the spiritual weapons were made of spiritual energy in the first place.

Yeah I agree this is all based on assumptions

 

[KCMNaruto]

Post manga scan/databook that says this
Form =/= Shape they clearly have a shape form is more the configuration. The manga scan states it does exist in a physical form.
They cannot be grabbed like the soul

Let me play same game with you:

form != plane, form != dimenssion, form != realm

form
(fɔːm)
n
1. the shape or configuration of something as distinct from its colour, texture, etc
2. the particular mode, appearance, etc, in which a thing or person manifests itself: water in the form of ice; in the form of a bat.

Yes, they can.

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^^ this is the closest stuff to these spiritual wapons,with difference they are not hungry of physical energy.

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^^ physcial form, means nothing more then being object, which is same as floating energy, even to lightining it refers as not having physcial form and yet it can countered.

OP is right. Souls are the same, yet Naruto could grab onto it. Totsuka can slice through things and pierce them, as seen when they cut Orochimaru's snakes and Orochimaru himself. Things must make physical contact with the Yata Mirror, or else the Mirror wouldn't be able to repel them. If there was no physical interaction, Totsuka would pass through everything all the time, and everything would pass through Yata. Physical interaction works both ways. Totsuka and Yata can touch things, so things can touch them. They have some form of tangibility to them. No solid form doesn't mean unable to be touched. Water, gases and electricity are good examples of things with no physical form that can be touched and physically interacted with.

Of course I am right, they just deny it, because they are insecure.

-Preta path only absorbs chakra (spiritual energy + physical energy) even if you were correct there is nothing to suggest that preta path can absorb spiritual energy alone

Of course Preta Path can... if it could only able to absorb chakra, then how Pein Hugry Ghost path could absorb Sage chakra from Sage mode Naruto ?

- The yata mirror automatically responds to attacks, if a chakra arm tries to grab it it will register it as an attack and deflect it

and I already proved that grab something is not considered as attack. Also there would be no way Yata could thing by itself, so unless it attack Susanoo or Itachi directly or Itachi will be able to react then Yata won't do anything.

- TSB negate chakra which is again spiritual energy + physical energy. Nothing I have seen in the data book or manga suggest they can negate spiritual energy alone.

TSB can negate anyting with chakra imbued. even if Spiritual energy once put into Susanoo aka chakra construct it is also imbued with chakra.

Also one thing to add is just because a soul could be grabbed by chakra arms does not mean that the spiritual weapons could as well. How do you know whether souls in the naruto verse are considered physical while the spiritual weapons aren't? Also there is nothing to suggest that the spiritual weapons were made of spiritual energy in the first place.

Nope, it just means that. Souls are not physcial, Death God could grasp souls and pull it out of your body without physical harm to victim/target. Same with Totsuka cutting Orochimaru also it would even cut through Orochimaru flesh which meant it also can interract physcial objects.

Let's even assume, you are right. It could be shapeless and something intangible but once it attack it takes upon shape and become tangible to pierce it victim, someone with supperior reaction time will grab it then and lock it in grip as I stated.

Unless Itachi is the fastest in both reaction time and speed he is not invicible, simple as that.

Too bad Itachi fanboys won't agree with you till forever.

Yeah I know,but I will not give up either.

Since it was stated they don't have a physical form any attack that overlaps/occupies the area where Yata is seen gets blocked. By physical I think it means everything in the physical world Liquid/soild/gas

That is pure fanfic you brought here. Overlapping/occupying, did you mean Kamui ?

Nope ,Both spiritual weapons may be intangible, but they become tangible once they need to act as pierce/attack or defend and for this short brief moment they can be grabbed and locked, deal with it U_U
Yeah I agree this is all based on assumptions[/QUOTE]

 

[Zealotic]

Let me play same game with you:

form != plane, form != dimenssion, form != realm

form
(fɔːm)
n
1. the shape or configuration of something as distinct from its colour, texture, etc
2. the particular mode, appearance, etc, in which a thing or person manifests itself: water in the form of ice; in the form of a bat.

Yes, they can.

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^^ this is the closest stuff to these spiritual wapons,with difference they are not hungry of physical energy.

Totsuka and data are spirit weapons never said they were composed of chakra like tayuyas justu :| this is a stretch

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^^ physcial form, means nothing more then being object, which is same as floating energy, even to lightining it refers as not having physcial form and yet it can countered.

This scan has nothing to do with what you just said C.O.A.T is what he is talking about, creating something out of nothing and then breathing life into it. What does this have to do with Totsuka and Yata lmao.

That is pure fanfic you brought here. Overlapping/occupying, did you mean Kamui ?

Im using kamui as an example

Nope ,Both spiritual weapons may be intangible, but they become tangible once they need to act as pierce/attack or defend and for this short brief moment they can be grabbed and locked, deal with it U_U
Yeah I agree this is all based on assumptions

All assumptions you don't know this for sure

Too sum this up

You cannot correlate the properties of Yata and Totsuka to other spirit like jutsu especially one stated to made with chakra. Without making a lot of baseless assumptions because most of this stuff wasn't explained very well if at all.

But believe what you want to believe

 

[KCMNaruto]

Totsuka and data are spirit weapons never said they were composed of chakra like tayuyas justu :| this is a stretch

Of course you can be right as much as I could. However the point is that even souls/spirits could be pulled out, and not only special designed jutsu for this purpouse could as Ningendou but also chakra arm which has nothing to do with spirits could affect/interract and catch soul, and that is what I compare to spiritual weapons.

This scan has nothing to do with what you just said C.O.A.T is what he is talking about, creating something out of nothing and then breathing life into it. What does this have to do with Totsuka and Yata lmao.

It mentions creating/making form out of nothingness, which can be translated as just as no physcial form.

Im using kamui as an example

Too sum this up

Sure, continue

You cannot correlate the properties of Yata and Totsuka to other spirit like jutsu especially one stated to made with chakra. Without making a lot of baseless assumptions because most of this stuff wasn't explained very well if at all.

But believe what you want to believe

Of course and that what I am doing, I just tried to show you another example.

Soul= spiritual/etheral being = Spirtual wepaons

If you can not refute such argument, then it can not be helped as accepted as fact, but I won't force you to see my view on it

 

[Zealotic]

Of course you can be right as much as I could. However the point is that even souls/spirits could be pulled out, and not only special designed jutsu for this purpouse could as Ningendou but also chakra arm which has nothing to do with spirits could affect/interract and catch soul, and that is what I compare to spiritual weapons.


It mentions creating/making form out of nothingness, which can be translated as just as no physcial form.



Sure, continue



Of course and that what I am doing, I just tried to show you another example.

Soul= spiritual/etheral being = Spirtual wepaons

If you can not refute such argument, then it can not be helped as accepted as fact, but I won't force you to see my view on it

I can agree to disagree Lol XD

 

[KCMNaruto]

I can agree to disagree Lol XD

of course you can, noone can force you as everyone has free will and it should be respected.

However having no arguments against something, show that your opinion doesn't coinside with the fact.

 

[Zealotic]

of course you can, noone can force you as everyone has free will and it should be respected.

However having no arguments against something, show that your opinion doesn't coinside with the fact.

Nothing said was necessarily fact or not you gave your opinion and I gave mine either could be true or we could both be wrong. Kishi is the only one with the real answer to bad he didn't explain it well enough

 

[KCMNaruto]

Nothing said was necessarily fact or not you gave your opinion and I gave mine either could be true or we could both be wrong. Kishi is the only one with the real answer to bad he didn't explain it well enough

I am glad that you can see more then just your opinion.

Anyway I agree, fair enough. Only Kishi knows answer to it and he has never stated it.