[Debunked] DMS Rikudou Kakashi blitzed Kaguya (also being faster then her)

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I just checked few threads about Kaguya on this and other forums and What I saw make me chuckle how blind or in denial some people can be.

The most arguable is scene where Kakashi used Kamui Raikiri to supposedly "blitz Kaguya"

Let me throw a bit of light what really hapened instead of so called "Kakashi's blitz":

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^^ left middle panel shows Kaguya shooting ash bones at PS in which Kakashi is while both charge at each other at full speed. Also this panel can shows us how big distance was between them. Now to move on:

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^^ bottom right panel shows Kakashi already charging Kamui raikiri in hand while falling down with speed marks/lines drawn around(it means Kakashi fall down towards her as PS's flying speed which must be no joke).

Then bottom middle panel shows Kaguya surprised/shocked while speed lines are still visible around her meaning that she was moving towards Kakashi at her full speed until this panel.

They were very close to each other so that how Kakashi did it.

Kaguya's own speed + intangibility + element of surprise + momentum of falling down(with speed of his PS flying ) = clever tactic to land attack on Kaguya.

However I won't lie that Kakashi didn't help in any form, as him and it includes Obito's as well Space Time ability was crucial to corner Kaguya, however without Naruto and Sasuke.

DMS Kakashi with all Obito's abilities and Rikudou chakra would be stomped so hard that it is not even funny.

Also it was not just Kakashi, IT WAS ALSO OBITO. and before you say Hagoromo gave Rikudou chakra to Naruto and Sasuke also, well he did, but just chakra, while in Kakashi's case it was shown Obito fully entered Kakashi's body via chakra. You can call it rather fusion of kakashi and Obito.

Thank you for reading !

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[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

someone show this guy the fanfiction section

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi blitzing Kaguya is just as valid as claiming Sakura blitzed Kaguya.

 

[NextGenNinja]

inb4 the dms fapboys

 

[KidGamer65]

It's amazing how people think Kakashi can blitz Kaguya even though Sasuke was way faster than Kakashi before they both got Rikudo's Chakra, and Sasuke got half of Hagoromo's chakra while Kakashi got a portion from Madara's JJ transformation yet he still couldn't blitz Kaguya even with his Amenotejikara.

Lol, my sides ache.

 

[KCMNaruto]

someone show this guy the fanfiction section

You mean yourself, right ?, well I admit that you are honest here

Kakashi blitzing Kaguya is just as valid as claiming Sakura blitzed Kaguya.

Well you are right , because in Sakura's case it was the same, just before Naruto and Sasuke landed their hands on her, she moved full speed up and Sakura falling down used element of surprise + Kaguya's own speed to hit her.

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^^ again, speed lines can be spoted, so either I have so good sight, or others are so blind.

pick your choice.

Sakura used her own falling speed + element's surprise + Kaguya's movement which must be truelly fast to escape both Naruto and Sasuke, now considering distance it would be insult to Sakura if she doesn't land this punch

inb4 the dms fapboys

Yeah I know, too bad most of people see only what they want to see U_U

 

[AlphaScythian]

Its blitz nonetheless even there was PS speed and kamui in between.

Kakashi landed attack based on speed.

I love how shocked both BZ and Kaguya are with DMS power

Kamui solos, she's lucky kishi didnt make kakashi snipe her head

 

[KCMNaruto]

Its blitz nonetheless even there was PS speed and kamui in between.

Kakashi landed attack based on speed.

I love how shocked both BZ and Kaguya are with DMS power

Kamui solos, she's lucky kishi didnt make kakashi snipe her head

Of couse she is, because Kishi would write another asspull to make it as you stated U_U

Too bad, even Kishi is not such troll

 

[Seventh Sama]

Do we really need to debate on a asspull powerup?

 

[Bronze]

I don't actually get your explanation.

You're saying the momentum of falling down (with speed of his PS flying)? His PS had already been nullified by her Bone Ash, so the only momentum of falling down is the gravity pulling him, and that would make him go less faster; but he used the remains of PS as footstep to charge.

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If she tried to react or block, her body stance would show it but clearly didn't; thus Kakashi blitzed her. Plain and simple.

 

[Gerkak]

The point is the move was badass.

And no it wasn't kakashi and obito it was kakashi with obito's power, obito was not giving kakashi instructions or assisting him in performing jutsu. By your logic it's sasuke and rinnegan vs kaguya.

Obviously one on one kaguya beats everyone including naruto, sasuke and JJ madara. And like Alphascythian said kakashi could have just kamui sniped her, though she probably would've regrown her head back.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Of couse she is, because Kishi would write another asspull to make it as you stated U_U

Too bad, even Kishi is not such troll

Only trolling in that is the fact kishi never used kamui to snipe heads like logic dictates, manga would end too fast

Isnt it too mainstream to call something new asspulll cuz you dont like it?
In manga where you can have immortal zombies, transmigrants, coming back from life in chakra form shouldnt come as surprise.
Or shall we say hagoromo's existence in pure plane is asspull itself?

 

[Shanks]

well you are right there . He needed Rikudo chakra to keep up with Kaguya's Power ,Obito being sage of Six path helped kakashi to use his PS abilities and was able to catch up with Kaguya . But it is debatable dms space time technique can match up with Kaguya's ST .

 

[KCMNaruto]

I don't actually get your explanation.

You're saying the momentum of falling down (with speed of his PS flying)? His PS had already been nullified by her Bone Ash, so the only momentum of falling down is the gravity pulling him, and that would make him go less faster; but he used the remains of PS as footstep to charge.

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If she tried to react or block, her body stance would show it but clearly didn't; thus Kakashi blitzed her. Plain and simple.

Well even if PS was nullified, once you are in motion you preserve the same speed as it slowly dimnish due to other forces, but actually with gravity he may actually move even faster.

It is not correct to be called "blitz" as neither of them were stationary before it happened. Both were closing towards each other decreasing already small distance, adding element of surprise and kakashi's clever tacitc to use intangibility ended in that result that he pierced her hand with Kamui raikiri while continously falling down.

The point is the move was badass.

And no it wasn't kakashi and obito it was kakashi with obito's power, obito was not giving kakashi instructions or assisting him in performing jutsu. By your logic it's sasuke and rinnegan vs kaguya.

Obviously one on one kaguya beats everyone including naruto, sasuke and JJ madara. And like Alphascythian said kakashi could have just kamui sniped her, though she probably would've regrown her head back.

Well but it was Obito's chakra which entered Kakashi, at least this is how Kishi shown it so I wouldn't say it was the same.

I am glad you are not one of these Kamui wankers..., anyway nope he wouldn't kamui snipe her, because if he could then using Kamui raikiri would be pointless U_U

Only trolling in that is the fact kishi never used kamui to snipe heads like logic dictates, manga would end too fast

Isnt it too mainstream to call something new asspulll cuz you dont like it?
In manga where you can have immortal zombies, transmigrants, coming back from life in chakra form shouldnt come as surprise.
Or shall we say hagoromo's existence in pure plane is asspull itself?

well you have point here, but it didn't happen so Kishi clearly throught it wouldn't work.

We already saw that rules already estabilished in his manga were broken by him from time to time, so the only logic or rule which apply at the time was just Kishi's whim and if he didn't make that then it couldn't work simple as that.

Well Hagoromo's existence in pure plane can be called ass pull, although Kishi was consistent with him and keep his image since begining which can not be said about Kamui or Kakashi.

well you are right there . He needed Rikudo chakra to keep up with Kaguya's Power ,Obito being sage of Six path helped kakashi to use his PS abilities and was able to catch up with Kaguya . But it is debatable dms space time technique can match up with Kaguya's ST .

Of course that is right.

Well dms Kamui alone most likely was on par or close to Kaguya's ST, but raw speed of movemenet of both users, kaguya hands down easily.

 

[Gerkak]

Well even if PS was nullified, once you are in motion you preserve the same speed as it slowly dimnish due to other forces, but actually with gravity he may actually move even faster.

It is not correct to be called "blitz" as neither of them were stationary before it happened. Both were closing towards each other decreasing already small distance, adding element of surprise and kakashi's clever tacitc to use intangibility ended in that result that he pierced her hand with Kamui raikiri while continously falling down.



Well but it was Obito's chakra which entered Kakashi, at least this is how Kishi shown it so I wouldn't say it was the same.

I am glad you are not one of these Kamui wankers..., anyway nope he wouldn't kamui snipe her, because if he could then using Kamui raikiri would be pointless U_U

It is the same think of naruto when he used KCM for the first time. Then he didn't have kurama's support so the kyuubi couldn't help him with jutsu or strategy, naruto had to do everything on his own. The only thing was that he was using power that he didn't have naturally, the same applies to DMS kakashi. Sasuke too awakened his rinnegan from hogoromo's chakra but he doesn't receive instructions from it or help.

Kamui snipe would have been much more effective than kamui raikiri U_U

 

[AlphaScythian]

well you have point here, but it didn't happen so Kishi clearly throught it wouldn't work.

We already saw that rules already estabilished in his manga were broken by him from time to time, so the only logic or rule which apply at the time was just Kishi's whim and if he didn't make that then it couldn't work simple as that.

Well Hagoromo's existence in pure plane can be called ass pull, although Kishi was consistent with him and keep his image since begining which can not be said about Kamui or Kakashi.

What is this BS? Kishi can make everything work, i hate this piss poor logic 'kishi thought this or that' to suit your needs.

Rules werent all that broken, most of things people regard as asspull can be explained. As pure plane is but another dimension where dead live with S/T like kamui you can get back.

There is no consistency to hagoromo he just had little panel time, kamui was always consistent what you talk about.

 

[Bronze]

Well even if PS was nullified, once you are in motion you preserve the same speed as it slowly dimnish due to other forces, but actually with gravity he may actually move even faster.

It is not correct to be called "blitz" as neither of them were stationary before it happened. Both were closing towards each other decreasing already small distance, adding element of surprise and kakashi's clever tacitc to use intangibility ended in that result that he pierced her hand with Kamui raikiri while continously falling down.

No, he wouldn't become faster with gravity dragging him down, unless he can fly which he can't. But even if not the correct form of blitz as he becomes intangible, Kaguya still couldn't react.

 

[KCMNaruto]

What is this BS? Kishi can make everything work, i hate this piss poor logic 'kishi thought this or that' to suit your needs.

Rules werent all that broken, most of things people regard as asspull can be explained. As pure plane is but another dimension where dead live with S/T like kamui you can get back.

There is no consistency to hagoromo he just had little panel time, kamui was always consistent what you talk about.

Well I am not author, but it is general rule to all manga, and anime, if you don't know.

bold part, prove at least one inconsistency, I challenge you.

Well tell me then how could Obito as Tobi with just one eye able to erase his body while disappearing with his wave of hand instead of swirling motion as he always uses while teleporting ?

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^^ This is at least one time, I can bring more.

No, he wouldn't become faster with gravity dragging him down, unless he can fly which he can't. But even if not the correct form of blitz as he becomes intangible, Kaguya still couldn't react.

^^ of course, estamited distance is medium range at the most, so around 10 meters, or slightly above it.

Now just sustract from it Full charged Kaguya's flying speed and Kakashi's falling speed(PS's flying speed + gravity force), which allowed Kakashi to get close to kaguya so fast that it seemed he blitzed her.

^^ How could she react to it ?, hmm ?

Now if Kaguya was stationary, or even both were before Kakashi's so called blitz, then I would agree.

This is my same issue with Sakura who used Kaguya's own speed to get close to her.

That why Naruto's blitz seems much more supperior and real to be called like that:

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^^ see both Naruto and Kaguya are stationary, while distance is about same as with Kakashi.

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^^ next page Naruto blitz her, and that is impressive.

 

[3MESSIAH]

again,agreed

 

[AlphaScythian]

Well I am not author, but it is general rule to all manga, and anime, if you don't know.

bold part, prove at least one inconsistency, I challenge you.

Well tell me then how could Obito as Tobi with just one eye able to erase his body while disappearing with his wave of hand instead of swirling motion as he always uses while teleporting ?

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^^ This is at least one time, I can bring more.

No its not a rule, its fanmade bias, they dont know nor understand in most cases author and then talk shit, this is the rule.

How about him sealing juubi aka kaguya into the moon while supposedly he also was juubi's host. Kind of big confusion there, no?

In this case Obito could use weaker wormhole that would not leave any swirling lines around and with his skill he gradually teleported parts he wanted first?
I dont see big inconsistency here anyway, how about something meaningful that has an impact or should we see if red clouds on akatsuki coats are consistent too?